Trump shot at again (shocking)

[PurpleTree]

11 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Well at least this stereotype that all liberal men in America are soy boys who don’t know how to use a gun are starting to be shattered 

not really because it seems they can’t aim

[ici]

38 minutes ago, What Am I said:

If Trump does get killed, at least a few of his supporters won't take kindly to it. I would disagree with the notion that the killing ends there. Even if you guys see it as being due to his own rhetoric, I promise that's not how it's viewed by many millions on the other side. There may even be an effort towards revenge just for the two recent attempts.

I am starting to feel like there would be a civil war regardless of who wins the election in November

[Yali]

Imagine if both of Trump's attempted assassins were Haitain immigrants.

I would expect mass deportation efforts on behalf of Trump from just that alone.

Edited September 16 by Yali

[questionreality]

16 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Can't say that Trump didn't deserve this. 

Also, maybe the Republicans are finally getting a taste of their own medicine with all of their gun rights propaganda they've been doing for decades.

The fact that you (and many others here) don't see the problem with assassination of political opponents and think that Trump deserves to be killed, proves my point once again that I made about leftists and the leftist echo chamber that blinds many people on this sub-forum.

You are no better than right-wingers in that regard, stop lying to yourself.

[Jodistrict]

Edward Snowden says he sees an Oswald vibe.

https://x.com/Snowden/status/1835460582855631350

[Fearey]

18 hours ago, ici said:

Wtf is wrong with you lol. Nobody deserves to be shot and killed.

Trying to overturn democracy by instating an insurrection against your country is treason. The punishment for treason under U.S. Code Title 18 is death or not less than 5 years' imprisonment. Any person convicted of treason against the United States also forfeits the right to hold public office in the United States.

Committing treason as the sitting president of your country should of course be an exponentially more serious crime. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be too many guard rails in place to limit how much a sitting president can abuse their power.

 

It might just be that someone out there is tired of this wannabe dictator getting away with everything just because he's a former president, and wants to give him what he deserves; a long overdue end.

Edited September 16 by Fearey

[Joshe]

13 hours ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Shit doesn’t hit the same the 2nd time around lol

haha, yeah, I felt little to no impact this time around. Read the story and was like, wtf, next. 

[PurpleTree]

the first guy shot his ear

that’s weird honestly 

[Fearey]

2 hours ago, questionreality said:

The fact that you (and many others here) don't see the problem with assassination of political opponents and think that Trump deserves to be killed, proves my point once again that I made about leftists and the leftist echo chamber that blinds many people on this sub-forum.

You are no better than right-wingers in that regard, stop lying to yourself.

Name a president of the democratic party that's committed treason against their own country. He's committed the most serious of crimes against his nation. A successful attempt on his life would be 100% justified.

The difference between a Trump supporter and one who is not is being able to independently research Trump for 3 minutes. That would be enough for any rational human being to make up their mind about what Trump is.

Edited September 16 by Fearey

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Fearey said:

Name a president of the democratic party that's committed treason against their own country. He's committed the most serious of crimes against his nation. A successful attempt on his life would be 100% justified.

Jesus, you could make the argument an execution is appropriate after a successful and fair conviction of treason, but you're arguing for something else entirely. Just a straight up murder, and it'd be considered 100% justified no less.

[aurum]

The irony is that while the shooter was apparenly quite concerned about the Trump threat to democracy, political violence itself is an undemocratic act. Which is partly why it is condemned in all developed democracies.

One guy with his AK-47 is trying to unilaterally decide that a candidate that almost half of Americans want should not be allowed on the ballot. That is not democracy.

This also doesn't factor in the importance of civil due process and the inevitable chaos and further violence that would result if Trump was killed. Which just further erodes all the essential foundations for democracy to exist.

The guy was a known criminal who clearly had a penchant for violence. That's what is really going on here.

Edited September 16 by aurum

[Fearey]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

Jesus, you could make the argument an execution is appropriate after a successful and fair conviction of treason, but you're arguing for something else entirely. Just a straight up murder, and it'd be considered 100% justified no less.

Absolutely. He managed to grant himself full immunity for his actions on January 6th, ensuring he cannot be convicted for essentially trying to steal the country. It's not like he didn't put himself in this predicament of his own free will. No wonder people are trying to kill him. I actually think that is a sign of a healthy democracy that people don't just bend over for a tyrant that tried to overthrow their country.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

In the super long-term however, trying to maximize chaos is probably the healthiest option for developing robust systems of governance for the future.

Edited September 16 by Fearey

[What Am I]

7 minutes ago, Fearey said:

Absolutely. He managed to grant himself full immunity for his actions on January 6th, ensuring he cannot be convicted for essentially trying to steal the country. It's not like he didn't put himself in this predicament of his own free will. No wonder people are trying to kill him. I actually think that is a sign of a healthy democracy that people don't just bend over for a tyrant that tried to overthrow their country.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

In the super long-term however, trying to maximize chaos is probably the healthiest option for developing robust systems of governance for the future.

Well, fair enough. I don't think we'll be able to easily change each others' opinion. And like I mentioned in the other thread, it's refreshing to see such honesty. So many people would be cautious in saying that, even if it's their closely held belief.

And to be clear, I'm referring to the opinion of Trump's killing being justified, outside of any officially sanctioned process. There's other parts of your post that I have a hard time disagreeing with.

Edited September 16 by What Am I

[Basman]

8 hours ago, What Am I said:

If Trump does get killed, at least a few of his supporters won't take kindly to it. I would disagree with the notion that the killing ends there. Even if you guys see it as being due to his own rhetoric, I promise that's not how it's viewed by many millions on the other side. There may even be an effort towards revenge just for the two recent attempts.

You don't know that. Your fear mongering.

1 hour ago, Fearey said:

In the super long-term however, trying to maximize chaos is probably the healthiest option for developing robust systems of governance for the future.

I like this immune system analogy though not sure how true it is in the real world.

[questionreality]

3 hours ago, Fearey said:

Name a president of the democratic party that's committed treason against their own country. He's committed the most serious of crimes against his nation. A successful attempt on his life would be 100% justified.

The difference between a Trump supporter and one who is not is being able to independently research Trump for 3 minutes. That would be enough for any rational human being to make up their mind about what Trump is.

How do you not understand that political violence is an undemocratic act?

How is having one guy with a gun take away the candidate from a ballot that half of Americans support okay?

On one hand you bring January 6th up, and on the other hand you are fine with assassination of political opponents.

You are no different from the those who thought it was fine to overthrow the government on that day.

Not to mention that it would be extremely shortsighted - there is a very good chance there would be assassination attempts coming in the way of the candidate/president that you support.

The fact that I even have to say these obvious things, and even people like @Leo Gura don't have an issue with it tells me this subforum is more fucked than I thought.

[Fearey]

@questionreality A Trump supporter trying to claim moral high ground is quite funny to me.

 

11 minutes ago, questionreality said:

On one hand you bring January 6th up, and on the other hand you are fine with assassination of political opponents.

"On the one hand you bring up how Hitler killed 6 million jews in the gas chambers, but on the other hand you're fine with assassination of political opponents."

Yeah... of course I am fine with that. What is your point?

Edited September 16 by Fearey

[questionreality]

11 minutes ago, Fearey said:

@questionreality A Trump supporter trying to claim moral high ground is quite funny to me.

It automatically makes me a Trump supporter if I am not okay with his assassination?

 

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"On the one hand you bring up how Hitler killed 6 million jews in the gas chambers, but on the other hand you're fine with assassination of political opponents."

Yeah... of course I am fine with that. What is your point?

You are more lost than I thought - holy shit 

Edited September 16 by questionreality

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, questionreality said:

How do you not understand that political violence is an undemocratic act?

Of course it is an undemocratic act.

But the right-wing in America, and especially MAGA, has lost any right to cry about undemocratic acts.

It is precisely because the right-wing doesn't care about democracy and is actively assaulting democracy at every level -- politically, economically, via corruption of the media, electorally, legally, morally, and spiritually -- that we on the left do not buy your crocodile tears about democracy.

The entire case against Trump has been that he will corrupt and prevert democracy. And that is exactly what he has done and continues to do without shame. Right wingers think that they can get away with corrupting democracy and things will turn out well for them. But any student of history knows that's not how this works. If Trump continues to corrupt democracy, he will end up dead from his own stupidity.

When you flame hatred, guess what? You get hatred in return. When you corrupt the courts to escape justice, people take justice into their own hands. This corruption is Trump's doing and he is responsible for it no matter how much the right-wing fingerpoints at the left.

This is obvious to anyone with a serious understanding of politics. Which is why we have been saying Trump is unqualified for office. It's only MAGA fools who think they can promote hatred and lies against the Dems without consequence.

Assassination is wrong. But Trump doesn't care about right and wrong. So he has no grounds to complain. Assassination is illegal, but Trump breaks the law all time. This is the problem with supporting Trump. You are supporting incoherent garbage but then crying about it when it blows up in your face.

The entire case against Trump is that his corruption will blow up in your face. Trump's corruption, hatred, and devisiveness cannot be free. It comes with a big cost. The cost is what we see playing out in the media. And it could easily get much worse. But right-wingers wanna fuck around and find out. Then they will do the surprise Pikachu face and blame everyone but themselves.

In the end, everything related to Trump will collapse, die, and lose. The only question is how much collateral damage will America incur?

Tldr: the man shitting in the pool doesn't get any sympathy when he ends up getting some shit in his eye. If you want us to care about shit in your eye then first stop shitting in the pool.

Edited September 16 by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

@Fearey Ok bro, here's a synchronicity. I'm INTJ, I think 5w4, software development adjacent (web dev), interested in data science, but this is nothing worth mentioning until I realized you have the same profile picture as my custom chrome extension: 

I didn't want to fuck around with an icon and so just made a square in figma and colored it #a25698. It's not exact color but c'mon! 😆

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course it is an undemocratic act.

But the right-wing in America, and especially MAGA, has lost any right to cry about undemocratic acts.

It is precisely because the right-wing doesn't care about democracy and is actively assaulting democracy at every level -- politically, economically, via corruption of the media, electorally, legally, morally, and spiritually -- that we on the left do not buy your crocodile tears about democracy.

The entire case against Trump has been that he will corrupt and prevert democracy. And that is exactly what he has done and continues to do without shame. Right wingers think that they can get away with corrupting democracy and things will turn out well for them. But any student of history knows that's not how this works. If Trump continues to corrupt democracy, he will end up dead from his own stupidity.

When you flame hatred, guess what? You get hatred in return. When you corrupt to courts to escapr justice, people take justice into their own hands. This corruption is Trump's doing and he is responsible for it no matter how much the right-wing fingerpoints at the left.

This is obvious to anyone with a serious understanding of politics. Which is why we have been saying Trump is unqualified for office. It's only MAGA fools who think they can promote hatred and lies against the Dems without consequence.

Assassination is wrong. But MAGA doesn't care about right and wrong. So there is no grounds to complain.

don’t know if you heard that tobert epstein jre pod and i don’t know if it’s true. But he said that voters were unknowingly influenced/manipulated by « big tech » to vote hillary and biden vs trump, which is also quite undemocratic.

 

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/dont-let-big-tech-influence-the-elections-yet-again-year