awakening experience on weed

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

given that eternity already is the case, if eternal non existence were ever to be, it should be the case right now.

See even if you were to attain a lasting state of non existence, nothing would prevent it from popping back into existence again. and this moment is proof that it will

Exactly, it's obvious. And it's more obvious if you realize that non existence is limited, because it excluded the existence. If there are no limits, existence exist, as it's the case

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I am not the experience, not the object of experience, not even the one who experiences

Yes, exactly, not the one who experiences. Just the existence. 

[Javfly33]

52 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

 

See even if you were to attain a lasting state of non existence, nothing would prevent it from popping back into existence again. and this moment is proof that it will

This moment is not proof of anything because you are not 0.01% conscious of why you even are in earth.

When you are able to respond why you have a human body and you are not a dog, then you will start to know the mechanics of your own encarnation and what you need to do to go forward and not keep rolling in your own wheel.

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nothing would prevent it from popping back into existence again.

'this moment' is not Absolute, yet you are. 

Let´s remember there is no God or external force creating anything here.

Creation takes instructions from the Creator. 

Edited September 23 by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Of course, It is.

Which is precisely why I´m none of what appears: body, thought, emotion, landscape, sensation, sight, hearing, memory, etc.

 

Why Nirvana Shatakam lyrics say...

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I am Shiva (That which is Not)

This is Ultimate Truth, but we are here in Relative Truth, not Ultimate Truth place or Absolute realm or whatever You want to call it, so lots of the talk around here is coming from the Ultimate Truth or Absolute realm experience, which is a misnomer if You are still here with a Body/Mind Complex in place and suffering it in any minor or major way (this could mean a certain desire is not fulfilled and you crave it, or something more serious is happening that affects Your experience of life in this moment)..

You can say this or that about what is happening here around You in the world or within You doesn't mean anything, is a dream or imaginary bla bla bla, but it doesn't mean a thing when You still have to shit in the morning and eat in the morning and then go to work to make a living to sleep it off on the weekend and it makes Your Experience less than Peacefulness at anytime...

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

This moment is not proof of anything because you are not 0.01% conscious of why you even are in earth.

But you are 100% conscious of that you exist. About why you are in earth, from an infinite perspective, it's absolutely meaningless. It's just a relative fact among others infinite facts. It doesn't mean that you are not going to move, you will, but knowing that ultimately it's just an appearance. 

11 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This is Ultimate Truth, but we are here in Relative Truth, not Ultimate Truth

Well, ultimately we are in the ultimate truth. Of course anyone prefer to be rich and healthy than sick and miserable, but ultimately it's exactly the same. If you can access to the ultimate truth easily, everything flows better, even have chronic pain is still chronic pain 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

But you are 100% conscious of that you exist. About why you are in earth, from an infinite perspective, it's absolutely meaningless. It's just a relative fact among others infinite facts. It doesn't mean that you are not going to move, you will, but knowing that ultimately it's just an appearance. 

Well, ultimately we are in the ultimate truth. Of course anyone prefer to be rich and healthy than sick and miserable, but ultimately it's exactly the same. If you can access to the ultimate truth easily, everything flows better, even have chronic pain is still chronic pain 

Yes but the key question is "Are You Accessing It?", if not then Ultimate Reality is not in Your Perception/Experience and therefore not real for You, so its Relative Reality always first and foremost, all this talk about Ultimate/Absolute reality is BS if it is not in Your Perception/Experience..

Yoga is one way to access it and keep it as a foundational experience while here and doing normal daily work and responsibilities, unless You want to dissolve and no longer do normal daily life as most of us are, then what is the point of talking about something that is not the reality for most, it creates fantasy and means nothing...

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Yes but the key question is "Are You Accessing It?", if not then Ultimate Reality is not in Your Perception/Experience and therefore not real for You, so its Relative Reality always first and foremost, all this talk about Ultimate/Absolute reality is BS if it is not in Your Perception/Experience..

Yoga is one way to access it and keep it as a foundational experience while here and doing normal daily work and responsibilities, unless You want to dissolve and no longer do normal daily life as most of us are, then what is the point of talking about something that is not the reality for most, it creates fantasy and means nothing...

It's in my experience in some extent 24/7, and fully sometimes, I'm not talking about fantasies. Yoga could be useful for some people, it's not my way, same than reading books about spirituality or watching videos, for me are absolutely meaningless, even bit toxic.  I can't read or listen them more than 3 minutes even I try. For me It's an absolute and unbearable loss of time, same than watch movies, series or read novels. I like to write here and change perspectives with people, it's my only spiritual let's say distraction 

Edited September 23 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's in my experience in some extent 24/7, and fully sometimes, I'm not talking about fantasies. Yoga could be useful for some people, it's not my way, same than reading books about spirituality or watching videos, for me are absolutely meaningless, I can't read or listen them more than 3 minutes even I try. For me It's an absolute and unbearable loss of time, same than watch movies, series or read novels. I like to write here and change perspectives with people, it's my only spiritual let's say distraction 

That's Good then, we all have to find our way thru it that works for Us. I'm the same when it comes to Spiritual material, videos and reading, I've been thru that stage, heard it all, in the end they all say the samethings that lead to the same place, I'm more into the HOW, and making it a more permanent state of Experience, I still have simple short states of stress response (maybe last 1-5 min then I come back to Peace experience) and I have great patients and empathy for "Others", except when in traffic and driving lol...

Edited September 23 by Ishanga

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

But you are 100% conscious of that you exist. About why you are in earth, from an infinite perspective, it's absolutely meaningless. It's just a relative fact among others infinite facts. It doesn't mean that you are not going to move, you will, but knowing that ultimately it's just an appearance. 

Words are tricky, even though i said 'knowing' i don´t mean knowing in the way 'I am a man because this happened and that happened' or whatever.

I mean mechanically, like mechanically perceiving the configuration of oneself.

 

For example, i recently realized all people i usually criticize and judge is people that have an opposite internal configuration of the one i usually carry. 

When I understood the mechanics of my configuration i understood too why i judge this people. 

Is difficult to explain but is not an intellectual understanding, is like a direct perception of why one is carrying what is carrying and once one sees that the next steps should be about evolution, liberation and letting go of the configuration.

because it doesnt seem nobody will do that for me. If not why do i have a very similar configuration of that one of certain family members? Why Reality didn´t take care of wiping the disk clean? 

 

The structure wants to keep itself alive, repeat itself, forever. I noticed too i usually chose friends with similar configuration. 

There is a memory or cycle there that unless one hijacks it, one keeps going round and round and round. So I really believe this Life process is about going somewhere and evolving. 

Edited September 23 by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Words are tricky, even though i said 'knowing' i don´t mean knowing in the way 'I am a man because this happened and that happened' or whatever.

I mean mechanically, like mechanically perceiving the configuration of oneself.

For example, i recently realized all people i usually criticize and judge is people that have an opposite internal configuration of the one i usually carry. 

When I understood the mechanics of my configuration i understood too why i judge this people. 

Is difficult to explain but is not an intellectual understanding, is like a direct perception of why one is carrying what is carrying and once one sees that the next steps should be about evolution, liberation and letting go of the configuration.

because it doesnt seem nobody will do that for me. If not why do i have a very similar configuration of that one of certain family members? Why have i also had friends with similar configuration?

There is a memory or cycle there that unless one hijacks it, one is going round and round and round.

Doesn´t seem no God or Reality will do that for me. Until one mechanically (not intellectually) understands (this is a bad word, because is not really understanding, but perceiving i guess) how one got in the mess, how one can get out truly? 

I interpret this as "Relative", in the end it goes from Gross (Relative) to Subtle (Absolute), if You don't do it, then You come back for more lessons till You do it, You meaning Individual, with Absolute inside of You that is dormant in Your Experience, if You wake up (Absolute is now Realized and Alive in Your Experience) then You are more Subtle in Consciousness compared to not realizing it and Gross in Consciousness, all of this happens on the Relative Level...

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

So I really believe this Life process is about going somewhere and evolving. 

That's exactly the point. From a relative perspective, everything is evolving, cycles within cycles to infinity advancing towards unity, but unity is where they start from, so their progress is circular.

from an absolute perspective there is no movement, but from a relative perspective it is, so the somewhat crazy point is, knowing that there really is no movement, to put all your vital energy into the evolutionary movement and do it like an art. 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

so the somewhat crazy point is, knowing that there really is no movement, to put all your vital energy into the evolutionary movement and do it like an art. 

yeap 🙌💪

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

if You don't do it, then You come back for more lessons till You do it

it definetely seems like that...

[VeganAwake]

On 9/21/2024 at 5:39 AM, emil1234 said:

@VeganAwake i feel  like i got the cosmic joke for a second. its literally fucking hilarious. everything you've ever been searching for has always been all that has ever existed. its always been right in front of your fucking eyes, and not only that, YOU FUCKING ARE IT. its so fucking funny man. HAHAHAHAH.

literally the greatest possible joke in all of eternity. god has a fucking mindblowing sense of humor. LOL!!!!!!

It's worse than that 😉

There isn't even a real joke because there isn't a real you nor god! 🫨

❤️ 

[Keryo Koffa]

9 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's worse than that 😉

There isn't even a real joke because there isn't a real you nor god! 🫨

❤️ 

It's worse than that even, the Jokeness is Schrodinger's Strange Loop

Edited September 24 by Keryo Koffa