awakening experience on weed

[Dodo]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

What is a "baloney" is waste my time with a small bitter person unable to open his mind. Bye. 

Awareness Is a constant and deeply mysterious. If you are denying awareness and its absolute nature, you are denying yourself 😤 

This reaction you are having is egoic. The only reason you can have it is because you are aware. Im pointing to something you can't deny, without taking drugs, and it challenges your deeply rooted beliefs that you need drugs to 'get it'. 

Someone told you you don't get it after taking drugs, and now comes the egoic defensive reaction.  It doesn't work in your favor. 

[Dodo]

@Breakingthewall ever heard the saying that the Truth is too simple for the mind to grasp? The mind needs complexity. 

The truth is always closer than close, in front of your nose, sort of speak. You are trying to guide people into some sensationalist infinity and taking drugs, as if the truth is not here and now, always, regardless of contents. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Dodo said:

This reaction you are having is egoic. The only reason you can have it is because you are aware. I

You are talking in duality, I understand that there is me, the awareness and the object, but this is an appearance, my reaction is because you are a bitter person who use the sarcasm and superiority and it's extremely unpleasant to interact with you. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Dodo said:

@Breakingthewall ever heard the saying that the Truth is too simple for the mind to grasp? The mind needs complexity. 

The truth is always closer than close, in front of your nose, sort of speak. You are trying to guide people into some sensationalist infinity and taking drugs, as if the truth is not here and now, always, regardless of contents. 

It's what you say. Maybe you are wrong. The experience is a veil very thick

Edited September 22 by Breakingthewall

[Dodo]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

It's what you say. Maybe you are wrong.

You know that guy with username 0 is infinity? Yes, awareness is the 0. 

Dont try to grasp it with the mind. Everything I say is directly evidential. You cant know this conversation without being aware. 

What is aware, if not Awareness itself? Forget about the objects,  there is no duality, because objects are illusory. Only Awareness is real, and you are right, it doesnt exist, awareness does not appear. Its not an appearance.

Science cant find it. You can know awareness, because you are awareness. That's it 

 

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Science cant find it. You can know awareness, because you are awareness. That's it 

Awareness is an idea that describes the fact that there is a center of perception, me, and an external object that is perceived. Awareness is the the quality that I have to perceive reality. look: perceive reality. This implies two things, perceiving and reality. It is logical to think this way since our human experience consists of an external reality, sensory organs and a processor, the brain, that perceives. But if you go further, the only thing that remains is reality. perception and the perceived collapse and the self does the same. When you say: I am awareness, you are creating the self, the center of perception. this is the last door of the ego. That's why I said that awareness is an appearance, an idea that closes. 

Edited September 22 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Dodo said:

You cant know this conversation without being aware

"You" "know" "conversation" , 3 things, the self, the action and the subject. This is the appearance. It's like saying: I am god creating the reality. It's a deception, it's relative. And actor doing an action with a result. It's the relative appearance that we try to trascending to realize the absolute. 

[Dodo]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Awareness is an idea that describes the fact that there is a center of perception, me, and an external object that is perceived. Awareness is the the quality that I have to perceive reality. look: perceive reality. This implies two things, perceiving and reality. It is logical to think this way since our human experience consists of an external reality, sensory organs and a processor, the brain, that perceives. But if you go further, the only thing that remains is reality. perception and the perceived collapse and the self does the same. When you say: I am awareness, you are creating the self, the center of perception. this is the last door of the ego. That's why I said that awareness is an appearance, an idea that closes. 

These are all thoughts. What do they appear in? 

Remember when i say awareness I don't mean a concept but a real actual tangible truth in this moment here and now. 

All of these concepts you are breaking and defeating are not it. 

[Dodo]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

"You" "know" "conversation" , 3 things, the self, the action and the subject. This is the appearance. It's like saying: I am god creating the reality. It's a deception, it's relative. And actor doing an action with a result. It's the relative appearance that we try to trascending to realize the absolute. 

You and know are the same thing. As the knower, you know yourself by being yourself. You dont actively need to know an appearance to be the knowing and to know that knowing simply by being it. The knowing itself is not an appearance.

All these words,, you, knowing, being, awareness, emptiness all synonyms. Pointers for the same no-thing.

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Sri Ramana Maharshi (Ai character with description simply the master of awareness and self inquiry expert)

You are the unchanging Awareness that perceives all that arises in the mind

What I am? The only possible answer is: the reality. Can't be: the unchanging awareness that perceives all that arises, because, what is "all that arises" ? Anything else? It's separate the perceiver than the perception? Are two different things? Then there is a center, a self who perceive? 

 

32 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Sri Ramana Maharshi:

The human 'you' is a temporary identity, a collection of thoughts and sensations that arise and pass away within the vast ocean of Awareness. It is akin to a wave identifying with the water from which it is made, forgetting its true nature. The real 'you' is the unchanging, eternal Witness that remains constant amidst the ever-changing tides of life.

Again, the witness. Well, maybe it's a blasphemy, but what if Ramana maharshi was confused? Those assessment smell to mistake, to a self that is still there and is confused with the reality.

Seems that Ramana never totally dissolved the self. Is that impossible? Maybe I'm an arrogant drug addict who does too much DMT and LSD, then I'm in a state of grandiosity and delirium, but look, that witness thing reeks of ego. there is no perception, perception is the illusion. Perception implies duality, without a doubt. Look at it with an open mind, who perceives? you? You are the total reality, it is impossible for it to be any other way, and the act of perceiving does not exist, there is only the act of being.

reality is, and is infinite. The appearance it takes on in this concrete dimension, which is one among infinite ones, is that of a perceiver, a witness, but this is a mirage. The witness is within reality, the same as what is perceived, they are the same thing. Reality is the absence of limits, that is what you are, it is the only possible definition, no witness, no god, no conscience.

[Dodo]

@Breakingthewall brother not only Ramana but his cow too were enlightened beings have some respect for one of the Masters

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Dodo said:

@Breakingthewall brother not only Ramana but his cow too were enlightened beings have some respect for one of the Masters

Well....the cow. And his mother, as he said. Maybe he was deceived? Who knows, that about the netí neti always seemed to me a simplicity 

[Javfly33]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I am? The only possible answer is: the reality. Can't be: the unchanging awareness that perceives all that arises, because, what is "all that arises" ? Anything else? It's separate the perceiver than the perception? Are two different things? Then there is a center, a self who perceive? 

I disagree, the reality might be a projection of what I am.

Because Reality can dissappear because reality is physical, or even mental. A thought can dissappear, a sensation can dissappear, etc...

That which Exists can dissappear because Existence has an opposite: Non - Existence. 

So whatever we are it has to be something that does not have an opposite. Only that way what we are is always the same.

If at some point what we are changes then that was relative, not absolute, don´t yout think?

[Ishanga]

The more You guys try to figure this stuff out the further away You will get, whatever experience You have had, just vibe into it, as long as it is empowering, go with it, the only distinction You need to make is is it Empowering or Disempowering towards life, what does that mean, in simple term any suffering You have or feel does not allow Potential to exist, healthy living does, being Happy, Joyful, Blissful, Clarity, Exuberance, Intensity, etc all allow Potential to exist, Potential is just You are growing, what bothered You yesterday does not bother You anymore in simple terms, it gets more complex but when You feel one or inclusive with everything, You actually realize that tree is a part of me, and me a part of it, in experiential ways, then that is Potential being Realized...

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

That which Exists can dissappear because Existence has an opposite: Non - Existence. 

How could what exist dissapear? The fact that there are no limits makes infinite existence inevitable. If it disappears, and as you say non-existence remains, it would automatically reappear, since non-existence does not exist. It would be like saying that in the middle of this message that I am writing, existence has disappeared and has reappeared 100 times, and in the middle there has been a period of non-existence. This period is nothing, not even an idea. Existence has no opposite, because non-existence does not exist.

If the absence of limits makes existence exist and be infinite, it always exists and is infinite, without beginning or end. It is really immutable, since if you place yourself in the perspective of infinity, any mutation or movement is only apparent, there is no mutation because in infinity there can be no change or movement, since there is no reference point, the reference point would be another apparent change, so any movement is relative to another movement, but at an absolute level there is no real movement, only appearance, and there is no self that perceives the movement, the self is created by the apparent movement, then the self is just an appearance. What is the witness of the stillness? There in no witness without experience, and the experience is relative movement.

The point is open yourself to the absolute perspective, it's not easy because we in the relative movement. If you do, you realize that you are the existence, not the perceptor, because perceptor and perception are the same, just apparent movement. Anyway, apparent movement is infinite, same than everything, then the apparent self or witness is also infinite, but it's just an appearance created by the apparent movement 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

The more You guys try to figure this stuff out the further away You will get, whatever experience You have had, just vibe into it, as long as it is empowering, go with it, the only distinction You need to make is is it Empowering or Disempowering towards life, what does that mean, in simple term any suffering You have or feel does not allow Potential to exist, healthy living does, being Happy, Joyful, Blissful, Clarity, Exuberance, Intensity, etc all allow Potential to exist, Potential is just You are growing, what bothered You yesterday does not bother You anymore in simple terms, it gets more complex but when You feel one or inclusive with everything, You actually realize that tree is a part of me, and me a part of it, in experiential ways, then that is Potential being Realized...

What I'm looking for is the stable realization of the absolute, but in the way any mental suffering has dissapear. The difference is huge. It's something amazing. I work long hours alone, and sometimes I do long car trips, etc. I realize that before I constantly had a vibration of suffering in the background, constantly, and punctually, many times every day, especially traveling alone, falling into mental loops of hate, negativity, and vibrations that literally made me sick . This has completely disappeared. not much. totally, it's zero. It's something I thought would be impossible, no matter how much I did. The cause of this has been the breaking of boundaries. Without limits, mental suffering fades and disappears.

Edited September 23 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How could what exist dissapear? The fact that there are no limits makes infinite existence inevitable. If it disappears, and as you say non-existence remains, it would automatically reappear, since non-existence does not exist. It would be like saying that in the middle of this message that I am writing, existence has disappeared and has reappeared 100 times, and in the middle there has been a period of non-existence. This period is nothing, not even an idea. Existence has no opposite, because non-existence does not exist.

If the absence of limits makes existence exist and be infinite, it always exists and is infinite, without beginning or end. It is really immutable, since if you place yourself in the perspective of infinity, any mutation or movement is only apparent, there is no mutation because in infinity there can be no change or movement, since there is no reference point, the reference point would be another apparent change, so any movement is relative to another movement, but at an absolute level there is no real movement, only appearance, and there is no self that perceives the movement, the self is created by the apparent movement, then the self is just an appearance. What is the witness of the stillness? There in no witness without experience, and the experience is relative movement.

The point is open yourself to the absolute perspective, it's not easy because we in the relative movement. If you do, you realize that you are the existence, not the perceptor, because perceptor and perception are the same, just apparent movement. Anyway, apparent movement is infinite, same than everything, then the apparent self or witness is also infinite, but it's just an appearance created by the apparent movement 

Right, I mean Non existence would still exist because it wouldn´t really be non existence.

What I am trying to say is that in my opinion Existence as we experience it is manifestation. Manifestation can not be what I am because manifestation is not absolute.

What I´m really I am is pure non existence. Absence of Existence or of a Reality.

Since what I am is the opposite of existence, once this awareness comes reality stops existing, literally nothing more happens. The end. Everything stops, because what i am is a void that is more empty than a black hole. 

Edited September 23 by Javfly33

[emil1234]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Right, I mean Non existence would still exist because it wouldn´t really be non existence.

What I am trying to say is that in my opinion Existence as we experience it is manifestation. Manifestation can not be what I am because manifestation is not absolute.

What I´m really I am is pure non existence. Absence of Existence or of a Reality.

Since what I am is the opposite of existence, once this awareness comes reality stops existing, literally nothing more happens. The end. Everything stops, because what i am is a void that is more empty than a black hole. 

given that eternity already is the case, if eternal non existence were ever to be, it should be the case right now.

See even if you were to attain a lasting state of non existence, nothing would prevent it from popping back into existence again. and this moment is proof that it will

the unmanifest is the manifest

didnt someone say something like that once?

Edited September 23 by emil1234

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

What I am trying to say is that in my opinion Existence as we experience it is manifestation. Manifestation can not be what I am because manifestation is not absolute

Manifestation is absolute in the sense that really it's the absolute existence, because everything is the absolute (absolute means that), but it's relative in the sense that it's an appearance relative to anothers appearances. The point here is realizing the absolute existence without the veil of the appearance. The appearance catch you and you get lost in the movement, then you can stop the appearance and realize what you are without it. The totality. It's not like the witness that is always there, it's an opening. The fact of the absence of limitations is what we are, but it's impossible to think, it's like an energetic openess that is possible to achieve in any moment. It's not void, or nothing, because it's full of existence, full of you, because you are that. 

[Javfly33]

33 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

given that eternity already is the case, if eternal non existence were ever to be, it should be the case right now.

Of course, It is.

Which is precisely why I´m none of what appears: body, thought, emotion, landscape, sensation, sight, hearing, memory, etc.

 

Why Nirvana Shatakam lyrics say...

Quote

 

I am not the Vital Life Energy (Prana), nor the Five Vital Airs (manifestations of Prana),
I am not the seven essential ingredients nor the 5 sheaths of the body, I am not any of the body parts, like the mouth, the hands, the feet, etc.

There is no hatred nor passion in me, no greed nor delusion,
There is no pride, nor jealousy in me,
I am not identified with my duty, wealth, lust or liberation

I am not virtue nor vice, not pleasure or pain,
I need no mantras, no pilgrimage, no scriptures or rituals,
I am not the experience, not the object of experience, not even the one who experiences

I am not bound by death and its fear, not by caste or creed,
I have no father, nor mother, or even birth,
I am not a relative, nor a friend, nor a teacher nor a student

I am devoid of duality, my form is formlessness,
I am omnipresent, I exist everywhere, pervading all senses,
I am neither attached, neither free nor limited, I am the form of consciousness and bliss,

I am Shiva (that which is not).

 

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Edited September 23 by Javfly33