Is Sadhguru really awake?

[Jehovah increases]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, it's the same being and addicted to methamphetamine than Buddha from the absolute perspective, both are the reality. And? What is your point? And god is another identification. Why do you say that greed has nothing to do with? Do you understand what I meant as greed?

Explain what you mean by greed?

[Jehovah increases]

What does methamphetamine have to do with Buddha?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Jehovah increases said:

Explain what you mean by greed?

Is the need to grab the reality. Identification is grab the reality by fear, it's a construct that comes from the genes, something real. Without that the humans couldn't survive as specie. Greed is a mental attitude, need of understanding, of controlling, of being something, of preserving what you are. 

[Jehovah increases]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Is the need to grab the reality. Identification is grab the reality by fear, it's a construct that comes from the genes, something real. Without that the humans couldn't survive as specie. Greed is a mental attitude, need of understanding, of controlling, of being something, of preserving what you are. 

But you already are the reality. Let me ask you this why does God dream? Genes are part of the dream. So are they real or imaginary?

 

Edited September 15 by Jehovah increases

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Jehovah increases said:

Let me ask you this why God dream?

 

 the reality is unlimited, and infinite relative movements appears in it. They move on relationship with other movement, coordinated to infinity. They appear because it's inevitable, there are not limits and nothing is finite, then infinite relative movements happen, but from the absolute perspective, nothing is moving, nothing is happening, because the infinity can't move. They are just cycles that move in circles, appearances. Movement happen only from a relative perspective . If you want to call that gods dream, ok

[Jehovah increases]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 the reality is unlimited, and infinite relative movements appears in it. They move on relationship with other movement, coordinated to infinity. They appear because it's inevitable, there are not limits and nothing is finite, then infinite relative movements happen, but from the absolute perspective, nothing is moving, nothing is happening, because the infinity can't move. They are just cycles that move in circles, appearances. Movement happen only from a relative perspective . If you want to call that gods dream, ok

Still does not explain what it means to be awake. How do you know infinity can not move within itself? Most of what you wrote makes no sense. You're saying it's static, not dynamic.

Edited September 16 by Jehovah increases

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

Still does not explain what it means to be awake. How do you know infinity can not move within itself? Most of what you wrote makes no sense. 

Infinity can't moves because it's absolute. Realize the absolute, then you will understand . Movement is relative, it's something that goes from one point to another, in infinity there are not points, there is not begining or end, then there is not movement, the movement is something apparent that happens in the infinity, apparent because it's relative, then, one thing in relationship with another thing, but if it's only one reality without limits, real movement is impossible, all the relative movements reveals like appearances. Really they are not moving, are not going to anywhere from anywhere. They are always in the same place, then, there is not real movement, just apparent. 

To be awake means realize the absolute, then realize that you are the absolute, and then realize what the absolute is. Let's say that it's the total existence. Awakening is open yourself and realize that in you it's the whole reality. 

Edited September 16 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

And there is another thing, you are not creating the reality, the reality emerges itself spontaneously and is organized in complex patterns because the infinite apparent movements are synchronized because they are all the same, it cannot not be like that, their synchrony is inevitable, the same as their infinity. This is called absolute perfection, nothing imperfect can exist, it is impossible, everything that exists is absolutely perfect because it is synchronized to infinity. Since real movement is impossible, apparent movements are cyclical, that is, circular, they end where they begin, and combine with each other infinitely, it is the eternal dance of reality. no one directs it. The director is the dance. 

[Jehovah increases]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Infinity can't moves because it's absolute. Realize the absolute, then you will understand . Movement is relative, it's something that goes from one point to another, in infinity there are not points, there is not begining or end, then there is not movement, the movement is something apparent that happens in the infinity, apparent because it's relative, then, one thing in relationship with another thing, but if it's only one reality without limits, real movement is impossible, all the relative movements reveals like appearances. Really they are not moving, are not going to anywhere from anywhere. They are always in the same place, then, there is not real movement, just apparent. 

To be awake means realize the absolute, then realize that you are the absolute, and then realize what the absolute is. Let's say that it's the total existence. 

How do you know infinity is not expanding in all directions forever like a wave? Yes, there are no points of reference which does not mean one could not imagine a point. Yes, it was always infinite. Yes, it's relative only to itself. Real movement is not impossible. It is going from everywhere to everywhere. 

[Jehovah increases]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

And there is another thing, you are not creating the reality, the reality emerges itself spontaneously and is organized in complex patterns because the infinite apparent movements are synchronized because they are all the same, it cannot not be like that, their synchrony is inevitable, the same as their infinity. This is called absolute perfection, nothing imperfect can exist, it is impossible, everything that exists is absolutely perfect because it is synchronized to infinity. Since real movement is impossible, apparent movements are cyclical, that is, circular, they end where they begin, and combine with each other infinitely, it is the eternal dance of reality. no one directs it. The director is the dance. 

You can become so awake that you know you are creating reality. God directs it all. And yes it is absolute perfection perhaps God is biased. Nothing is impossible to God.

Edited September 16 by Jehovah increases

[Ishanga]

8 hours ago, Davino said:

Your beloved God Sadhguru almost killed himself overworking, was in intense pain and suffering for weeks to the point of daily drug consumption to numb the pain, while denying medical attention.

So then my question is:

Why would you want to follow an unhealthy suffering individual and put him up on a pedestal?

You just have gross biases and double standards see. Which you are unaware of, while others like me are aware of them (like example narcissistic and compulsive tendencies) which you weponize to feel so good about yourself while you are crudely unaware of your own which means you can't work on them and they corrupt your sense making because they are invisible to your consciousness.

Remember all this started because I said Sadhguru is not maxed out in Consciousness and that you can become more conscious than him (which is Ia claim I'm sure he would even agree with me) but you got all defensive and started this whole thing.

Yeah, everyday it astounds me more!

It's funny to note that Leo has talked for dozens of hours regarding belief systems, their dangers, paradigm lock, ideologies, while Sadhguru hardly does so. Mmm, interesting.

No belief is needed, burn sadhguru at the stake burn Leo at the stake, burn me at the stake and burn yourself at the stake. God Realization is the ultimate ego killer, ego trascender and ego embracer. Become Infinite, you will realize God. 

But hey Nobody gives a damn shit about God Realization, for you all this is a hobby, okay have fun playing around as an amateur. For me Awakening is the most important pursuit of being alive, I do it every day, every night, at every moment, I live for this, I breathe for this. If I can give value I try to give it but it's far easier to discredit and gaslight others. 

He allowed this too happen in the Service of others, he sacrificed himself for the Service of Others, Leo is not or has not been doing what he is doing for the service of others, that is a huge difference.. Your the only person ever that I heard say that sacrificing Your own health for others is not a good thing or is an unconscious act, which is very revealing about You!  

You still have not answered my initial questions how do You know intimately what Sadhguru's level of Consciousness is, how it is determined, You can say You don't need to prove it to anyone what Your level of Consciousness is, that says to me You do not know what is level is, and to be honest who cares, if what he shares works that is all that is important..

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

You misunderstand and are confusing a bunch of things. Better to leave enlightenment up for grabs. 

As for Sadhguru, it seems to me he experienced a grandiose state of some sort but isn't enlightened. 

Since you are not Enlightened, how can You judge if he is or is not? What Credibility do You have in Your statement, and by what parameters are You making this judgment? 

It doesn't matter if he is or isn't Enlightened, does what he shares work, is it effective, that is the more important questions, and no one here can really judge it because no one has been doing what he has been for the last 40+yrs, before many of You were born he was on the road sharing his ways of doing things and raising Human Consciousness, so how can anyone judge a person like that that has that much dedication, when no one here is even close to that themselves?

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

You can become so awake that you know you are creating reality. God directs it all. And yes it is absolute perfection perhaps God is biased.

There is No God, no entity, no personified presence of a God, only Existence, we call it by many names, saying it is God is a misnomer as I have said to Davino, but your posts indicate a huge separation btwn us and this so called God which is not really true on all levels.

On the Grossest level we are just Bodies of meat, and a bundle of stupid Thoughts and simple dumb desires, on the Absolute Level there is no Body or Mind, we are that which has always been, no God this or that, just purity and grand Intelligence of sorts that is everywhere and anywhere! What determines what we are within this moment is the individuals Awareness Level combined with the aspect of Experience only we are capable of as Humans! If there is No Experience, then there is No point of anything or ability to know or not know anything or everything!

Edited September 16 by Ishanga

[Jehovah increases]

19 hours ago, Ishanga said:

There is No God, no entity, no personified presence of a God, only Existence, we call it by many names, saying it is God is a misnomer as I have said to Davino, but your posts indicate a huge separation btwn us and this so called God which is not really true on all levels.

On the Grossest level we are just Bodies of meat, and a bundle of stupid Thoughts and simple dumb desires, on the Absolute Level there is no Body or Mind, we are that which has always been, no God this or that, just purity and grand Intelligence of sorts that is everywhere and anywhere! What determines what we are within this moment is the individuals Awareness Level combined with the aspect of Experience only we are capable of as Humans! No Experience, No point of anything or ability to know or not know anything or everything!

I already know this there is no self. God dreams for a reason and you will never get it. A  bundle of stupid and dumb desires and thoughts that are coming from the consciousness without that you could not wright what you just did. I would call it infinite intelligence or source if you have ever awoken which I don't think most of you have you are instantly connected to Infinite intelligence and it is not human nor am I.  Once you awaken you know you are God because it is all you.

Edited September 16 by Jehovah increases

[Inliytened1]

@Jodistrict  Leo is kind of a weird issue. He's not awake by traditional standards.   And he is not that famous or really has a goal of money or fame.

 

Edited September 16 by Inliytened1

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Jodistrict  Leo is kind of a weird issue. He's not awake by traditionsl standards.   And he is not that famous or really has a goal of money or fame.

 

I would say Leo is a Jnana yogi (one who comes to realization of reality thru self knowledge or the study and/or contemplation of Knowing/knowledge), but he has said he has done Kriya Yoga and other breathing exercises for whatever reason, maybe that help and he is natural more aware or something along those lines but for sure his intellect is spiked and is highly active compared to others.. He's got what I call Detalitus!

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

I already know this there is no self. God dreams for a reason and you will never get it. A  bundle of stupid and dumb desires and thoughts that are coming from the consciousness without that you could not wright what you just did. I would call it infinite intelligence or source which if you have ever awoken which I don't think most of you have you are instantly connected to it once you awaken and you know you are God because it is you.

Using the term Dreams is also a misnomer in my books, as Dream implies not real, Life is Real, what is happening in certain parts of the world is absolutely Real, to tell them it is just a dream and they would kill You on the spot, so life is a Real as it gets, those that understand as otherwise are not in the knowing..

The key is not to suffer it, by suffering it you add to the suffering and stifle Your Potential, You just accept it, and then use it too empower Yourself and be the Light You want to See in the world, an example of sorts..

What we are here as Humans are Potentials being put in a situations that allows us to use Free Will to choose what Potential arise in our lives and what do not, so its all up to us, not some God or dreamland that doesn't exist lol!

Edited September 16 by Ishanga

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I would say Leo is a Jnana yogi (one who comes to realization of reality thru self knowledge or the study and/or contemplation of Knowing/knowledge), but he has said he has done Kriya Yoga and other breathing exercises for whatever reason, maybe that help and he is natural more aware or something along those lines but for sure his intellect is spiked and is highly active compared to others.. He's got what I call Detalitus!

Exactly.  But he also had awakening via psychedelics   But if you could ask him if he would trade the same realizations for a kundalini awakening via mediation he would do it in a minute.  Borrowed Truth must be paid back. 

Edited September 16 by Inliytened1

[Jehovah increases]

18 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Using the term Dreams is also a misnomer in my books, as Dream implies not real, Life is Real, what is happening in certain parts of the world is absolutely Real, to tell them it is just a dream and they would kill You on the spot, so life is a Real as it gets, those that understand as otherwise are not in the knowing..

The key is not to suffer it, by suffering it you add to the suffering and stifle Your Potential, You just accept it, and then use it too empower Yourself and be the Light You want to See in the world, an example of sorts..

What we are here as Humans are Potentials being put in a situations that allows us to use Free Will to choose what Potential arise in our lives and what do not, so its all up to us, not some God or dreamland that doesn't exist lol!

 I wouldn't say it is a dream I would say every state of consciousness is as real as real can be. From your own subject POV of course.  And some people would just off you without talking about dreams. I know what exists call it what you will. I actually don't mind Sadhguru. Is he awake well you have to answer that for yourselves.

Edited September 16 by Jehovah increases

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Since you are not Enlightened, how can You judge if he is or is not? What Credibility do You have in Your statement, and by what parameters are You making this judgment? 

Magic!

Disseminating a particular cosmology, fantastical thinking, entertainment. These might make people feel good temporarily but just assists them in becoming believers.

If he was called Jacob, was born in Ohio, wore normal clothes and didn't have a beard, that'd simplify the process of evaluating his communications. Not to say valuable work can't be done regardless of awakening, btw.

Edited September 16 by UnbornTao