Is Sadhguru really awake?

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Everybody can go to the peak taking something

Not everybody, if there is any narcissism, identification, ego, psychedelic are going to lead you to, let's say ,god realization. Opening yourself completely to the absolute requires zero narcissism. Psychedelics are a help, nothing more, but if you are trapped by your ego, you will continue to be trapped by your ego, only magnified.

[Jodistrict]

The title of this thread is misleading.  Being a competent historian or being enlightened are two different issues.    What Sadhguru said was reasonable and actually understated.

"The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the Bloodiest story in History"

      Will Durant, Historian

 

[Inliytened1]

On 9/14/2024 at 1:12 PM, How to be wise said:

I know that a lot of people respect Sadhguru as an enlightened being, but videos like this really make me wonder whether he is awake to the dream of reality. He really seems convinced that Muslim rulers actually killed and raped Hindus, not that this is just pure imagination (which it is). I get that when we are talking relatively, we can speak of history, but I would expect enlightened people to have a background awareness that this is just a dream in the mind of God. In this video, Sadhguru seems fully convinced in the reality of these atrocities. Quite disappointing really.

 

Well..personally i doubt it.  Awakened beings aren't typically famous.  Most actually stick to themselves and are weird like that and don't go in for business.  If they do it's usually after.   So it's possible but honestly don't hold your breaths. And honestly it doesn't matter 

[Jodistrict]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Well..personally i doubt it.  Awakened beings aren't typically famous.  Most actually stick to themselves and are weird like that and don't go in for business.  If they do it's usually after.   So it's possible but honestly don't hold your breaths. And honestly it doesn't matter 

Lately, they seem to be in to making youtube videos.  

[Nemra]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Even if it hinders my survival, as it has, I pick Truth any day of the week.

That's such an easy thing to say.

You can't escape from surviving unless you kill yourself physically.

Why not say you care about the truth, but you also care about survival?

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

That's such an easy thing to say.

You can't escape from surviving unless you kill yourself physically.

Why not say you care about the truth, but you also care about survival?

Of course I care about survival. In fact my claim is that this caring to survive is the biggest limiting factor for realizing Truth and Awakening.

If you check Abraham Maslow and developmental psychology you can understand how certain aspects of Reality only unlock when conditions are right, aka survival doesn't corrupt your mind. You cannot compose an elevated poem while a lion is hunting you down in the savannah. In the same way, to access the highest states of Consciousness one has to fully trascend ALL survival concerns.

This is not for everybody nor an easy thing to say. This comes with huge dangers to your personal life. So practically speaking, Awaken as far as your survival needs let you, work to make a solid infrastructure in your live that allows you to be survival free in the next 15 years. Despite that, each moment you decide to breathe, blink, eat, clean yourself and so on, all these activities will have to totally examined hundreds of times during high states of consciousness and realize how the desire of keeping your human form is a limitation for your understanding of Truth, Awakening and God Realization. When I realized how much survival fucked up my Awakenings I was utterly mind blown, it's a crucial insight and a no return point.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

 

5 minutes ago, Davino said:

You cannot compose an elevated poem while a lion is hunting you down in the savannah.

Not a poem, but you can be is total harmony with yourself is situations of extreme danger, in fact they make yourself look in the face to the great abyss

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Not a poem, but you can be is total harmony with yourself is situations of extreme danger, in fact they make yourself look in the face to the great abyss

Mmm maybe?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

Mmm maybe?

Just try

[Javfly33]

57 minutes ago, Davino said:

 

That's your personal bias and preference, what you "value"

I am not brainwashing you or injecting my values into you. All I am saying is these are my values: Peak States of Consciousness and that's where I can offer life transforming advice if you happen to also be biased in that.

So let's just respect each other's bias here without the need to feel righteous about them. Do you think we can succeed?

 

Of course I respect your exploration of diverse or deep states of consciousness. 

But I wonder how is those explorations are different from the thousands trip reports on Erowid/Bluelight/reddit of psychonauts?

Actualized forum is not the only place where there are people that have loved to explore the dimensions this psychedelic tools/substances provide. 

And as you have said, you had this states of consciousness before taking anything. In the same way There are also lots of people that never used psychedelics and also have explored as you.

This people do not neccesarily are at state of evolution deeper than any other normal human. Does not neccesarily mean those people have gone beyond the usual identification, does not mean they've gone beyond their psychological drama...etc.

 

So I think I have a strong point in saying, if your exploration is different, in what way is it? But you say it has no concrete value for yourself as in improving your life experience nor for the society...then what is it? It seems like a Medal or Trophy.

Not that is wrong to achieve Trophies or Medals, but not sure if that is the point. But if you have 'fun' I guess...I am no one to tell anyone what to do. Just that is very far from what Spirituality is. And since We are in the spirituality forum I felt I had to say it.

I wouldn´t have replied to your post if you have posted it in psychedelics sub-forum or self actualization sub-forum. So is not like i have something 'against' people doing this things. 

Edited September 15 by Javfly33

[UnbornTao]

You misunderstand, and that's okay. It is better to leave enlightenment up for grabs and not to confuse your ideas about it with relative things like historical events and lifestyle. As for Sadhguru, it seems to me that he experienced a powerful state of some sort when he was young, but I don't "hear" a direct consciousness from him. Of course, this could be a fault or misstep in my "listening" abilities.

Edited September 16 by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

So I think I have a strong point in saying, if your exploration is different, in what way is it? But you say it has no concrete value for yourself as in improving your life experience nor for the society...th

If you really achieve to open yourself to the absolute, your whole life experience changes totally, the mental suffering dissapear and it doesn't return, that's crazy. You know that I had a shit in my mind quite deep, about my family and that, a shitty karma. I thought that I had that in my genes, that it's absolutely impossible to remove that from me. I could have mystical experiences, but always, in background, my ego would be there. Then, in one moment, it dissapeared for ever. That's crazy, it's deactivate, the impossible was possible. You break it little by little, and in some point, it isn't there anymore. That demon in the mind that talked, created poison, hurt, lack. Over all lack. It's a hell 😅. Wtf is living like that? But it's very common.. then you can look the existence in the face all time, anything else is madness 

Edited September 15 by Breakingthewall

[Jehovah increases]

Define what it means to be awake.

[Jehovah increases]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Realize what existence is. But what existence is? It's the existence 😅

That's not it

[Terell Kirby]

As long as one realizes Sadhguru himself is being imagined, all is good 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

Define what it means to be awake.

Being awake It is seeing through all the veils of the ego, all the identifications, until the total abyss opens before you and you are it. It is you who had opened up, and you are the reality without limits.

[Jehovah increases]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Being awake It is seeing through all the veils of the ego, all the identifications, until the total abyss opens before you and you are it. It is you who had opened up, and you are the reality without limits.

What's your ego again?

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Jehovah increases said:

What's your ego again?

It's difficult to explain what the ego is. It's not just a thought or an image, it's like an energetic barrier made of a vibration that we call fear, that make your perception bouncing and turning towards you, prevents you from expanding. It's like an anchor that keeps you closed in a capsule. It's greed, need of grabbing the reality.

[Jehovah increases]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

It's difficult to explain what the ego is. It's not just a thought or an image, it's like an energetic barrier made of a vibration that we call fear, that make your perception bouncing and turning towards you, prevents you from expanding. It's like an anchor that keeps you closed in a capsule. It's greed, need of grabbing the reality.

The ego is the construct that you created your identity but it's still God.  You already are reality greed has nothing to do with it.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Jehovah increases said:

The ego is the construct that you created your identity but it's still God.  You already are reality greed has nothing to do with it.

Sure, it's the same being and addicted to methamphetamine than Buddha from the absolute perspective, both are the reality. And? What is your point? And god is another identification. Why do you say that greed has nothing to do with? Do you understand what I meant as greed?