Is Sadhguru really awake?

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Well, you're making my point even more. Somehow your mind doesn't resonate with certain words, I notice. Unreal, illusion, no me, no you, dream, etcetc. All your hard work and sacrifice and life, emotions, feelings, thoughts, ideas, spiritual work, listening to gurus, going to Ashrams or whatever you call it, means so much to you and the mind has a hard time processing these terms. I can tell, it's personal and you cannot get behind the fact that you might not be an individual with a life who makes decisions. Well, you don't have to believe it's real or unreal or that it's a dream or not a dream because whatever is the case is the case.

Me saying one thing VS you saying another doesn't prove anything and half this stuff can't be proven anyway.

This is true of all of us, I like systems, structure, but I know that sooner or later You have to drop all the systems and structure, I learned this via my Study of Bruce Lee, his system of Jeet Kune Do is basically this, don't become a Slave to a System or Method or Style of Martial Art, this is True on the level of Absolute, but not True on the level of Basic Understanding and Development, as even Bruce Lee had to start somewhere and to learn how to Sit in his stance, then Move around while maintaining the Sitting Aspect and to develop power from the Ground and connect his whole body into all his strikes and fluid movement and so forth, this only happened by learning a system but he became "Bruce Lee" by then dropping it all and then history was made.

Others like Yourself maybe don't go this "Systems" route and are free flowing, it doesn't really matter, You do You, I do Me, all is well in La La Leo Land:)

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You just said you're more awake than anybody else and Leo and Nahm are close. Who's engaging in the awakening contest here.

Its not an awakening contest, its a who's dick is bigger contest, so far I think Davino is winning, he seems to be more of a God/Dick than SomeOne Here lol...

 

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[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Its not an awakening contest, its a who's dick is bigger contest, so far I think Davino is winning, he seems to be more of a God/Dick than SomeOne Here lol...

This is why I made a thread a few months back about Spiritual gain is no different than material gain. It's playing itself out right here in this thread. Whose house is bigger watch is more expensive, wife is prettier, car is better, job pays more........who's

 more spiritually awake, whose more enlightened, who has more experience in the field, who's embarrassing who.....same difference, only thing different is the content; context is the same - A fucking competition.

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[Princess Arabia]

Same shit playing itself out here in this thread.

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[Davino]

36 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

When  You did that personality test, it showed You scored high for narcissism, which is basically a person that is highly identified with Ego, False Self, Self Centeredness, this was my evaluation of You before You revealed the results of the personality test, so I was basically right...

I'm very grateful for having narcissitic tendencies. It allowed me to strive for the best version of myself and believe I can access the highest states of Consciousness possible. Becoming aware of one's shadow and inequacies is a crucial part of this work. I have no shame of it and being aware of my narcissism allows me to be extra mindful when making the claims I made today. I check three times more and to make myself accountable, that's why I shared the test with you all in the forum, posting my results, and I find it interesting you took the opportunity to weponize it, says a lot about you.

40 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

How does a highly Conscious person, more so than a recognized world renowned, highly skilled Yogic Guru, have a score on a personality test that reveals Narcissism of any kind? 

Has nothing to do with Awakening. If you studied hundreds of individual Awakening you should know. One thing is the human avatar and another thing is consciousness. There are important correlations, granted, but it's not an exact science. In this regard Charles Manson comes to mind, if you study him you will see clearly how many crude psychological disorders he has while being quite a genetic conscious freak. It's an edge cases that shows your question to be based on wrong grounds.

Regarding baseline consciousness there can be even more correlations but I also honored that from sadghuru, but as you are unaware of how psychology connects with baseline consciousness vs peak consciousness, I have to explain it to you whereas you should be able to reason it out for yourself given medium experience in this work instead of attacking me due to your ignorance of the mechanics of Consciousness.

[Davino]

37 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Its not an awakening contest, its a who's dick is bigger contest, so far I think Davino is winning, he seems to be more of a God/Dick than SomeOne Here lol...

Sigh...

Whatever boy

You lose the opportunity, I don't

I enjoy the fruits of my Consciousness Work

You could benefit from my advice, I would have loved to receive it when I was at your stage but I wasn't that lucky

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

You just said you're more awake than anybody else and Leo and Nahm are close. Who's engaging in the awakening contest here.

Good point . If I went balls into the wall with my nondual understanding...none of this matters..because the highest level of consciousness is realizing you are alone as God forever(solipsism). Then from there the sky is the limit . You are liberated .but the natural consequence of that is that it doesn't matter .because nothing matters AT ALL! 

So here we go 😁

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[Javfly33]

@Davino You forgot saying you have reached higher states of consciousness...with drugs. 

Everybody can go to the peak taking something. 

I´ve said it dozens of times...actualized forum nor Leo didn´t discovered psychedelics 😂 although some people here think they had.

They been around for thousands of years, if taking a psychedelic and accesing certain state of being is what spirituality is about, ashrams, monasteries, meditation tools, etc...wouldn´t exist. Humanity would have realized was popping something, smoking something, etc... is the goal. 

But it doesn´t take a genius to realize thats not where well being and evolution of a human is.

Although some people here seem to be taking a lot time to realize that. Not long ago Leo still thought taking psychedelics over and over would amount to something and take you somewhere. 

 

Edited September 15 by Javfly33

[blackchair]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

@Davino You forgot saying you have reached higher states of consciousness...with drugs. 

Everybody can go to the peak taking something. 

I´ve said it dozens of times...actualized forum nor Leo didn´t discovered psychedelics 😂 although some people here think they had.

They been around for thousands of years, if taking a psychedelic and accesing certain state of being is what spirituality is about, ashrams, monasteries, meditation tools, etc...wouldn´t exist. Humanity would have realized was popping something, smoking something, etc... is the goal. 

But it doesn´t take a genius to realize thats not where well being and evolution of a human is.

Although some people here seem to be taking a lot time to realize that. Not long ago Leo still thought taking psychedelics over and over would amount to something and take you somewhere. 

 

Very good point!

[blackchair]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

Obviously he is not awake . I know I will sound like an absolute lunatic but I do firmly believe that I'm the only awake person ever . Nobody understands the things I understand. Leo and Nahm are close . But Sadhguru lol..he is lost in a Hindu hippy spirtual fantasies. 

Look, couple of months of ago or a year ago you couldn't get laid or talk to girls, or escape 3world country, and then you are most awaken person on planet? What is it with this forum and need to be most awaken on planet (there is couple of Jesuses here also)? 

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

I'm very grateful for having narcissitic tendencies. It allowed me to strive for the best version of myself and believe I can access the highest states of Consciousness possible. Becoming aware of one's shadow and inequacies is a crucial part of this work. I have no shame of it and being aware of my narcissism allows me to be extra mindful when making the claims I made today. I check three times more and to make myself accountable, that's why I shared the test with you all in the forum, posting my results, and I find it interesting you took the opportunity to weponize it, says a lot about you.

Has nothing to do with Awakening. If you studied hundreds of individual Awakening you should know. One thing is the human avatar and another thing is consciousness. There are important correlations, granted, but it's not an exact science. In this regard Charles Manson comes to mind, if you study him you will see clearly how many crude psychological disorders he has while being quite a genetic conscious freak. It's an edge cases that shows your question to be based on wrong grounds.

Regarding baseline consciousness there can be even more correlations but I also honored that from sadghuru, but as you are unaware of how psychology connects with baseline consciousness vs peak consciousness, I have to explain it to you whereas you should be able to reason it out for yourself given medium experience in this work instead of attacking me due to your ignorance of the mechanics of Consciousness.

Its interesting, and verifies a theory I have about things in the world and ppl in general, anything and everything today can be Intellectually Justified, even You being more inclined to be a Narcissist you can still believe that You are more Conscious than Sadhguru, its really funny how ppl go thru this justification process to prove a belief they have about themselves to themselves! So now according to You Narcissist are spiritual, okay if that is what You believe more power to You:) 

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[vibv]

16 hours ago, How to be wise said:

I would expect enlightened people to have a background awareness that this is just a dream in the mind of God.

That's one of the greatest spiritual misconceptions of all time.

It is NOT just a dream! It's a dream.

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Davino You forgot saying you have reached higher states of consciousness...with drugs. 

Everybody can go to the peak taking something. 

I´ve said it dozens of times...actualized forum nor Leo didn´t discovered psychedelics 😂 although some people here think they had.

They been around for thousands of years, if taking a psychedelic and accesing certain state of being is what spirituality is about, ashrams, monasteries, meditation tools, etc...wouldn´t exist. Humanity would have realized was popping something, smoking something, etc... is the goal. 

But it doesn´t take a genius to realize thats not where well being and evolution of a human is.

Although some people here seem to be taking a lot time to realize that. Not long ago Leo still thought taking psychedelics over and over would amount to something and take you somewhere. 

 

What's super interesting is the fact that Cognitive dissonance is very alive and in practice around here..

Leo is the God, all powerful, all knowing being around here, that is for sure, but he today is unhealthy and is capable of Suffering, so why is it that ppl follow him as intensely as they do? Why would they want to follow an unhealthy suffering individual and put him up on a pedestal as high as Being a God or the God?

Because they have a belief system established, and it centers around Leo, and that is fine if that is what One is into, but if Your into Truth and Reality then this sort of thing is very far from that. But the truth is that Belief Blinds ppl, they cannot see what is the reality because the Belief is like a very muddy window for them, even to a point where a Narcissist is can be labelled as a highly Conscious person, that the two can co exist within the same person, its just nuts imo...

[Davino]

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

You forgot saying you have reached higher states of consciousness...with drugs.

I've been having peak states of consciousness since I was a kid

In fact, if you search my first trip report of Malt this is what I said

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I am very surprised and happy about malt, this is what I had been searching for. It really feels like my natural awakenings there is not this mystical psychedelic vibe to it, there is just consciousness and you can become more conscious and more awake. It really has this property of this is how things are, this is natural, this is real. This is probably what has surprised me the most, the no-drug vibes no-tripping, just awakening, just consciousness.

I access peak states of Consciousness both inside psychedelics and outside psychedelics. In fact, many of my most profound Awakenings have been "sober"

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Everybody can go to the peak taking something. 

This is a ridicolous claim

Even with Psychedelics most people don't reach the ultimate Awakenings

It takes a lot of work both within psychedelics and outside psychedelics to reach them

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

They been around for thousands of years, if taking a psychedelic and accesing certain state of being is what spirituality is about, ashrams, monasteries, meditation tools, etc...wouldn´t exist. Humanity would have realized was popping something, smoking something, etc... is the goal. 

But it doesn´t take a genius to realize thats not where well being and evolution of a human is.

Spirituality is not a one size fit all kind of thing

Each path, technique and individual wants particular states of consciousness to access and benefits from their practice

It's an Infinite field to discover and explore. I've always been interested in the most mind-blowing, Truthful and Infinite Consciousness states possible, that's where my practice is geared towards. Others care about ending suffering, baseline consciousness, equanimity, maturity...

Pick your niche, I'm interested in all of Infinity but my natural talent is on peak states and radical Awakenings. That's where I can offer value, in other areas I get a lot of value from you guys.

[SamC]

From my experience he is legit. Shambavi Mahamudra is the most powerful tool for transformation I have come across and the initation into the process felt like a psychedelic experience.

I don't know what to tell you but everything he has accomplished, his unvavering integrity and devotion and the fact that his methods actually work is enough for me to follow him.

That everything is imaginary is the same as saying everything is real because imagination is reality. Just because Sadhguru is talking in terms of the dream does not mean he doesn't know its a dream.

He is playing within the dream to help people wake up from it

 

 

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[Davino]

4 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Leo is the God, all powerful, all knowing being around here, that is for sure, but he today is unhealthy and is capable of Suffering, so why is it that ppl follow him as intensely as they do? Why would they want to follow an unhealthy suffering individual and put him up on a pedestal as high as Being a God or the God?

Your beloved God Sadhguru almost killed himself overworking, was in intense pain and suffering for weeks to the point of daily drug consumption to numb the pain, while denying medical attention.

So then my question is:

Why would you want to follow an unhealthy suffering individual and put him up on a pedestal?

You just have gross biases and double standards see. Which you are unaware of, while others like me are aware of them (like example narcissistic and compulsive tendencies) which you weponize to feel so good about yourself while you are crudely unaware of your own which means you can't work on them and they corrupt your sense making because they are invisible to your consciousness.

Remember all this started because I said Sadhguru is not maxed out in Consciousness and that you can become more conscious than him (which is Ia claim I'm sure he would even agree with me) but you got all defensive and started this whole thing.

4 hours ago, Ishanga said:

What's super interesting is the fact that Cognitive dissonance is very alive and in practice around here..

Yeah, everyday it astounds me more!

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Because they have a belief system established, and it centers around Leo, and that is fine if that is what One is into, but if Your into Truth and Reality then this sort of thing is very far from that.

It's funny to note that Leo has talked for dozens of hours regarding belief systems, their dangers, paradigm lock, ideologies, while Sadhguru hardly does so. Mmm, interesting.

5 hours ago, Ishanga said:

They cannot see what is the reality because the Belief is like a very muddy window for them, even to a point where a Narcissist is can be labelled as a highly Conscious person, that the two can co exist within the same person, its just nuts imo...

No belief is needed, burn sadhguru at the stake burn Leo at the stake, burn me at the stake and burn yourself at the stake. God Realization is the ultimate ego killer, ego trascender and ego embracer. Become Infinite, you will realize God. 

But hey Nobody gives a damn shit about God Realization, for you all this is a hobby, okay have fun playing around as an amateur. For me Awakening is the most important pursuit of being alive, I do it every day, every night, at every moment, I live for this, I breathe for this. If I can give value I try to give it but it's far easier to discredit and gaslight others. 

[Davino]

7 minutes ago, SamC said:

From my experience he is legit. Shambavi Mahamudra is the most powerful tool for transformation I have come across and the initation into the process felt like a psychedelic experience.

I don't know what to tell you but everything he has accomplished, his unvavering integrity and devotion and the fact that his methods actually work is enough for me to follow him.

Of course he's fucking amazing

There are just higher levels of AMAZING

Just depends on where you're at

That's all

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

 

Pick your niche, I'm interested in all of Infinity but my natural talent is on peak states and radical Awakenings. That's where I can offer value, in other areas I get a lot of value from you guys.

What does serve you this radical awakenings? In what way It improves your Life and/or of others?

What do you think a voluntary in an hospital facility Will work best? The one Who IS able to feel within better or the one that has more friction/stress within but has accesed tremendous states of consciousness in the past?

Who Will work in a farm more? The one Who does not feels little physical pain or the one that gets tired faster but has accessed incredible states of consciousness?

 

As you see, both for society and for selfish material gains, in both cases the actual state of Being rules how you do in the world, Vs having had tremendous profound states of consciousness.

 

I see no problem in your endeveour or Leo's. Is just that is a trick to call that Spirituality.

Spirituality was always about trascending or at least mastering the unique tools the human has: an unique potent Mind and a complex body and energy system that makes both suffering and joy possible, that makes both the worst wars and the most beatiful art posible.

In summary, Spirituality was always about Evolution. Not experiences.

 

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[SamC]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Of course he's fucking amazing

There are just higher levels of AMAZING

Just depends on where you're at

That's all

I think Sadhguru is on the highest level

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

What does serve you this radical awakenings? In what way It improves your Life and/or of others?

Awakening is its own end, its own reward. At least for me, it's self sufficient by itself.

Even if it hinders my survival, as it has, I pick Truth any day of the week.

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

What do you think a voluntary in an hospital facility Will work best? The one Who IS able to feel within better or the one that has more friction/stress within but has accesed tremendous states of consciousness in the past?

Idk, do you really know?

Maybe one does it better in the meantime and the other at the time of death. Remember death is a peak experience.

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Who Will work in a farm more? The one Who does not feels little physical pain or the one that gets tired faster but has accessed incredible states of consciousness?

What types of questions are these? 

You have a brain, please use it. I know you are talented

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

As you see, both for society and for selfish material gains, in both cases the actual state of Being rules how you do in the world, Vs having had tremendous profound states of consciousness.

That's your personal bias and preference, what you "value"

I am not brainwashing you or injecting my values into you. All I am saying is these are my values: Peak States of Consciousness and that's where I can offer life transforming advice if you happen to also be biased in that.

So let's just respect each other's bias here without the need to feel righteous about them. Do you think we can succeed?

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I see no problem in your endeveour or Leo's. Is just that is a trick to call that Spirituality.

Spirituality was always about trascending or at least mastering the unique tools the human has: an unique potent Mind and a complex body and energy system that makes both suffering and joy possible, that makes both the worst wars and the most beatiful art posible.

In summary, Spirituality was always about Evolution. Not experiences.

I call that personal development not Spirituality, maybe a higher game of it but on the same line. You are trying to improve the human avatar. I encourage you on that pursuit, I'm also working hard on it, more even in the domains where it directly affects my Peak Awakenings; but for me Awakening has nothing to do with "human" "survival" "happiness" or any of such notions. All those have to be long forgotten to access the Peak States of Consciousness I'm talking about. I mean if you still think you're human your state of consciousness is already too low. I'm quite identified with the human right now for example, hence I claim my state of consciousness is very limited compared to my Elite states of Consciousness.