But Leo

[Spiritual Warfare]

1.Eternity as everything that exists (totality)

2. Eternity as something beyond or surrounding everything.

Why do so many of Leo's members accept the first definition of infinity? The second one could be true, and that would completely collapse your irrational belief in God. Leo, please explain why the first one is correct.

 

 

[aurum]

@Spiritual Warfare your second definition is wrong because if infinity is “something beyond or surrounding” everything, than everything would necessarily need to be included in infinity. Otherwise it wouldn’t be infinite.

Edit: reinterpretation

Edited September 13 by aurum

[Hojo]

@aurum the thing surrounding it is the nothing that permiates it.

[aurum]

59 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@aurum the thing surrounding it is the nothing that permiates it.

In my experience, that’s not how I would describe it.

Infinity is not “surrounded” by nothing. It’s not an object in space somewhere. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

@Spiritual Warfare your second definition is wrong because “something beyond or surrounding” infinity would necessarily need to be included in infinity. Otherwise it wouldn’t be infinite.

Infinity here is treated as transcendent. It is beyond the finite things that exist within it and is not defined by them. It provides the "space" or framework within which everything exists but is itself beyond limitation. Why could this not be the case? 

 

[aurum]

22 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Infinity here is treated as transcendent. It is beyond the finite things that exist within it and is not defined by them. It provides the "space" or framework within which everything exists but is itself beyond limitation. Why could this not be the case? 

Because then infinity wouldn’t be infinity. It would be less-than-infinity, since there are things that are not it.

For infinity to be infinity at all, it must be Total.

You don’t have to agree with my logic. Discover for yourself.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, aurum said:

Because then infinity wouldn’t be infinity. It would be less-than-infinity, since there are things that are not it.

For infinity to be infinity at all, it must be Total.

You don’t have to agree with my logic. Discover for yourself.

I know you believe infinity means everything, but what I’m saying is that maybe your definition is wrong. You need to prove that your interpretation is correct!

 

[aurum]

18 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

You need to prove that your interpretation is correct!

No, that’s not how this works.

I offered my explanation. But there is no “proof” for this I can just give you. This is not a mathematical formula.

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 hours ago, aurum said:

No, that’s not how this works.

I offered my explanation. But there is no “proof” for this I can just give you. This is not a mathematical formula.

Feel free to hold onto your beliefs if you can't present any compelling reasons to back them up. Why did you feel the need to elaborate when I already have the explanation?

 

 

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[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, Marcel said:

There is Infinity with a capital I that contains literally everything and then there are infinities within Infinity that are contained and integrated in set Infinity.

How could something be beyond Infinity? Then it wouldn’t be Infinity. 

 

For instance, in the Bible, which I consider to be one of the most perplexing books I have ever encountered, it states that God is present everywhere and permeates all things. However, this raises a crucial question: why can't this be the definitive understanding of infinity? How can I ascertain what the true definition of infinity really is? Furthermore, how do I know that infinity encompasses everything rather than simply existing through everything?

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

For instance, in the Bible, which I consider to be one of the most perplexing books I have ever encountered, it states that God is present everywhere and permeates all things. However, this raises a crucial question: why can't this be the definitive understanding of infinity? How can I ascertain what the true definition of infinity really is? Furthermore, how do I know that infinity encompasses everything rather than simply existing through everything?

 

8 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

The definition of infinitude is that everything is infinite, because nothing could be out of the infinity, then there is only the infinity. The question would be, what is the infinity? Obviously, it's you, but what are you?

[gettoefl]

Infinity is everything, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Then there's a sneaky bugger called the false

Namely what your eyes tells you is the truth

Duality MUST be false and Truth MUST be one

To wake up is to see you are dreaming

Namely this here isn't true

How? you all scream in unison

Sit silently for a while

Stop letting ego run amuck on forums where everyone is more clueless than you are

Less than 1 in a million who have incarnated have dropped sight in favor of vision

Study acim if you want more details

Edited September 13 by gettoefl

[aurum]

9 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Feel free to hold onto your beliefs if you can't present any compelling reasons to back them up. Why did you feel the need to elaborate when I already have the explanation?

Try thinking about it like this:

Infinity must be what is contained within it because “transcendental” is a duality you are making. You imagine there is this “transcendental thing” and then all this stuff that is “not transcendental”. But that violates what it means to be Infinity.

Reality is, and must be, One.

Such that reality simply is itself, with nothing else. And yes, it is tautological. That’s not a mistake.

Edited September 13 by aurum

[Spiritual Warfare]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The definition of infinitude is that everything is infinite, because nothing could be out of the infinity, then there is only the infinity. The question would be, what is the infinity? Obviously, it's you, but what are you?

Infinity?😁

[Spiritual Warfare]

4 hours ago, Marcel said:

Well,  maybe it is the definitive understanding of infinity. „God is present everywhere and permeates all things“ Sounds like infinity to me, differently packaged I guess, but still infinity.

From my understanding. Infinity is everything and funny enough also no thing in particular. Because what else would it be?

That’s an interesting question. What could infinity exist through? Itself! 

Like light is / could be it’s own medium of transportation.

 

Thank you, that was a great explanation.

 

Edited September 13 by Spiritual Warfare

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Infinity is everything, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Then there's a sneaky bugger called the false

Namely what your eyes tells you is the truth

Duality MUST be false and Truth MUST be one

To wake up is to see you are dreaming

Namely this here isn't true

How? you all scream in unison

Sit silently for a while

Stop letting ego run amuck on forums where everyone is more clueless than you are

Less than 1 in a million who have incarnated have dropped sight in favor of vision

Study acim if you want more details

Great way to put it thank you.

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Great way to put it thank you.

cheers, did you ever look at A Course in Miracles by chance

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

Try thinking about it like this:

Infinity must be what is contained within it because “transcendental” is a duality you are making. You imagine there is this “transcendental thing” and then all this stuff that is “not transcendental”. But that violates what it means to be Infinity.

Reality is, and must be, One.

Such that reality simply is itself, with nothing else. And yes, it is tautological. That’s not a mistake.

I enjoyed reading this, thank you.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Infinity?😁

6 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

13 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

 

Infinity is just an idea, but as you are the infinity (and it's not a metaphor, or a spiritual history, it's just the reality), you have to realize what are you without the mask of finitude, that's what all this work is about. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Infinity is just an idea, but as you are the infinity (and it's not a metaphor, or a spiritual history, it's just the reality), you have to realize what are you without the mask of finitude, that's what all this work is about. 

You always make me smile. Thank you for your great understanding.