How do you interpret "global awakening" messages?

[El Zapato]

3 hours ago, Butters said:

OK but what if they're interested in truth? If I noticed correctly then this YouTuber also talks about deeper levels of awakening. 

So then how could we differentiate between someone who is behind on Leo (simply had fewer, less deep awakenings) versus someone who isn't interested in truth and is more interested in continuing their spiritual larp persona? 

And can't someone grow into an even better teacher overtime by having new insights and awakenings? All he seems to do in this video is share messages from the beyond. 

Too much drama in the exposition.  Just spit it out, man!

[RendHeaven]

On 9/14/2024 at 4:46 PM, Butters said:

OK but what if they're interested in truth?

They're usually not. 99% of self-proclaimed truth-seekers (even on this forum) are just larping. They don the aesthetic of "truth-seeker" simply for the existential comfort and security that this identity provides.

Real truth-seeking is like drowning naked in the middle of the Atlantic ocean at night with unseen creatures of the dark lurking beneath you, and no humans, no land, no warmth, no light to grasp onto. And then willingly plunging deeper into that lonely, vulnerable, cold without any guarantee of ever coming back... only then is the REAL light revealed, but you can easily tell that none of these folks would dare go there. Their whole ""global awakening"" is a cute fiction on stilts to avoid the real abyss - and thus the real love and light eludes them.

I would be HIGHLY suspicious of any youtube persona that claims to deliver spiritual insight - ESPECIALLY if they have any new age or Buddhist roots in their rhetoric/mannerisms.

Dead givesaways of larpers: "vibration, frequency, reality-shifting, timelines, manifestation, 5D, numerology, astrology, law of attraction, law of assumption, no-self, nonduality, jhanas, nothingness, reincarnation, lifetimes, spirits, entities" and so much more.

And who am I to cast such judgement upon these kind, sincere people who do genuine good work in the world?

I'm just a guy who has glimpsed the Abyss: The total collapse of the Entire Universe - held together by a single, tender, Self-Aware thread of Infinite Intelligence, gawking at its own majesty and magnitude, not yet ready to cross to the other side.

And every day I avoid this truth just as much as anybody else. You could say that the very fact that we are alive today on earth as humans is in every sense a temporary defiance of Truth - but Truth is so Absolute that it merges with this defiance, and thus here we are today in Absolute Reality - The most Perfect Gift that Consciousness could give itself, made of itself unto itself!

And so, with all of this context and reference experience, it's patently clear to me when I see my fellow souls donning a spiritual costume to avoid the heat death of the universe (aka Truth).

After all, I too do the same. They're me.

[RendHeaven]

On 9/14/2024 at 4:46 PM, Butters said:

So then how could we differentiate between someone who is behind on Leo (simply had fewer, less deep awakenings) versus someone who isn't interested in truth and is more interested in continuing their spiritual larp persona? 

Become construct-aware, and notice them spinning constructs in real-time.

It's always in their rhetoric, their mannerisms, their agendas. On some level they actually believe in their constructs, lol.

It's RARE that you'll find a human who will happily admit "yeah I just made that up :)" - but not in a defeatist or flippant manner, but in a highly intelligent manner where they can articulate the construction and deconstruction of said construct

[Butters]

@RendHeaven very interesting, thanks for your response. This topic is very confusing to me. 

One note however:

On 15-9-2024 at 10:24 AM, RendHeaven said:

Dead givesaways of larpers: "vibration, frequency, reality-shifting, timelines, manifestation, 5D, numerology, astrology, law of attraction, law of assumption, no-self, nonduality, jhanas, nothingness, reincarnation, lifetimes, spirits, entities" and so much more.

I came across the work of Abraham Hicks from Leo's booklist. They use these words above a lot. If you are familiar with this work, where would you place it? 

I also don't understand why someone who helps me raise my vibration and get closer to my higher (true) self should be avoided. That's like saying having a horrible experience all day versus something beautiful is exactly the same. It is not. 

[RendHeaven]

10 hours ago, Butters said:

I came across the work of Abraham Hicks from Leo's booklist. They use these words above a lot. If you are familiar with this work, where would you place it? 

A lot of the best sources are basically high-quality larpers, and they will genuinely help you improve your life.

So it's not that you should avoid them at all costs or that they're doing anything malicious or bad.

It's more like, we're all larping, and we all just want a good life. So why can't we just admit that?

Why do we have to usurp the word "Truth" and turn our human pursuits into some Divinely ordained path?

Learn from whoever ya want, just maintain construct-awareness and don't treat their fantasies as REAL

(so whenever someone says the word "shift to 5D consciousness" you hold that idea lightly, with a chuckle, fully aware that this person just MADE THAT SHIT UP, but you can still play along with their words if you find it useful for your life)

[PurpleTree]

It’s similar imo to how many religions are waiting for their saviour or prophet to come (back)

jews, christians, maitrea and so on

[thedoorsareopen]

I can speak to this.

These messages are coming because in 2019 and 2020, I woke up to nonduality (thanks to Leo's channel btw). Except, without spiritual or metaphysical training, I honestly didn't even know wtf I "woke up" to. It's taken me several years since to integrate these awakenings, and really awakening and integration are ongoing.

So, I had a stage where despite my awakening, I was still just looking for someone to "tell me what it all means." Which, of course, is diametrically opposed to the idea of self-knowledge.

I ended up manifesting vast amounts of people on Youtube talking about various spiritual and esoteric topics that I never saw anywhere pre-2019 and awakening. First, I was curious about manifesting a Cadillac, so endless realms of Youtube "manifestation coaches" popped up. 

But I wanted to know the bigger picture, but was still too antisocial to leave my Youtube page. So then came astrologers, meditators, metaphysicians, mystics, and finally people began talking about "ascension into 5D."

So recently, returning to the truth that we are all one, yet retain our relative beings, there is this narrative forming of a worldwide global awakening. Will this happen? Sure, it's happening, it was happening before, and will continue happening again. You have seen these videos because your attention is open to these things. It appears to you in your own personal universe. But to those who've never gone down these rabbit holes, they're in whatever stories they currently resonate with. Politics, religion, money, etc. To them, an announcement of a worldwide global awakening doesn't mean anything.

To those of us who are resonating with this, we will see the global awakening. It will appear to us in a way that is persuasive. But the world will keep on spinning, new people will be born, new human journeys for Spirit to embark upon will continue. They will have their own awakenings, their own journeys, expressed to them in the way that makes sense for their purpose at that time. Perhaps it will appear as this narrative of "worldwide global awakening," or maybe it'll express as some other thing. 

But as we know here, the awakening already happened, it is happening, it is about to happen, and you are ALREADY IT. 

If a video message about global awakening is salient to you, then good. Perhaps it inspires you. Perhaps you can meet up with those people already talking about it, and do what you can to raise awareness of the people around you. 

I happen to know that you can be pretty awakened without ever putting it in spiritual or metaphysical terms at all. I have been obsessed with awakening while still being an unenlightened fool, and I've seen people who didn't think much about God or spirituality who were genuinely good, loving, arguably awakened people.

But, to those who have awakened and think that we have to now convince the other 8 billion humans to all "awaken," and to express that awakening in the terms that people like us here do, in terms of like Alan Watts and enlightenment and metaphysics and such... I don't think that's ever going to happen, nor do I think it's the purpose of this veiled life of forgetfulness and remembering. We can provide knowledge to those who come after us, we can provide material for them to become more conscious, but we cannot live their journeys for them. New people come into the planet every day, and each one has the potential to stand on the shoulders of all who came before. To extend the map of meaning that humanity has created, and expand the horizon of choice available to each individual on this planet as they embark of their journey of discovery and self-realization.

[Princess Arabia]

On 9/19/2024 at 6:20 PM, thedoorsareopen said:

I can speak to this.

These messages are coming because in 2019 and 2020, I woke up to nonduality (thanks to Leo's channel btw). Except, without spiritual or metaphysical training, I honestly didn't even know wtf I "woke up" to. It's taken me several years since to integrate these awakenings, and really awakening and integration are ongoing.

So, I had a stage where despite my awakening, I was still just looking for someone to "tell me what it all means." Which, of course, is diametrically opposed to the idea of self-knowledge.

I ended up manifesting vast amounts of people on Youtube talking about various spiritual and esoteric topics that I never saw anywhere pre-2019 and awakening. First, I was curious about manifesting a Cadillac, so endless realms of Youtube "manifestation coaches" popped up. 

But I wanted to know the bigger picture, but was still too antisocial to leave my Youtube page. So then came astrologers, meditators, metaphysicians, mystics, and finally people began talking about "ascension into 5D."

So recently, returning to the truth that we are all one, yet retain our relative beings, there is this narrative forming of a worldwide global awakening. Will this happen? Sure, it's happening, it was happening before, and will continue happening again. You have seen these videos because your attention is open to these things. It appears to you in your own personal universe. But to those who've never gone down these rabbit holes, they're in whatever stories they currently resonate with. Politics, religion, money, etc. To them, an announcement of a worldwide global awakening doesn't mean anything.

To those of us who are resonating with this, we will see the global awakening. It will appear to us in a way that is persuasive. But the world will keep on spinning, new people will be born, new human journeys for Spirit to embark upon will continue. They will have their own awakenings, their own journeys, expressed to them in the way that makes sense for their purpose at that time. Perhaps it will appear as this narrative of "worldwide global awakening," or maybe it'll express as some other thing. 

But as we know here, the awakening already happened, it is happening, it is about to happen, and you are ALREADY IT. 

If a video message about global awakening is salient to you, then good. Perhaps it inspires you. Perhaps you can meet up with those people already talking about it, and do what you can to raise awareness of the people around you. 

I happen to know that you can be pretty awakened without ever putting it in spiritual or metaphysical terms at all. I have been obsessed with awakening while still being an unenlightened fool, and I've seen people who didn't think much about God or spirituality who were genuinely good, loving, arguably awakened people.

But, to those who have awakened and think that we have to now convince the other 8 billion humans to all "awaken," and to express that awakening in the terms that people like us here do, in terms of like Alan Watts and enlightenment and metaphysics and such... I don't think that's ever going to happen, nor do I think it's the purpose of this veiled life of forgetfulness and remembering. We can provide knowledge to those who come after us, we can provide material for them to become more conscious, but we cannot live their journeys for them. New people come into the planet every day, and each one has the potential to stand on the shoulders of all who came before. To extend the map of meaning that humanity has created, and expand the horizon of choice available to each individual on this planet as they embark of their journey of discovery and self-realization.

Well said

[Keryo Koffa]

@thedoorsareopen Coming back suddenly 4 years later with all that wisdom? Which one of us manifested you? 😁

I guess the doors really are open

Edited September 21 by Keryo Koffa

[Butters]

Bumping old thread because I detected a strange paradox. As I realize certain lessons from the Universe, I want to teach this to others, but there i no way I could do this without being a spiritual larper? Because the lessons I am genuinely getting from my own life are in line with things I've heard these "Law of Attraction Gurus" talk about.