Does go to university makes sense?

[Asia P]

What do you think about university? In your experience, it is just sterile knowledge or can really bring growth to the individual?

I comprehend if someone goes to university because he need some certification to do the job that he wants. But there are so many guys that go there just because they have the possibility, and they haven't got anything to do. And they end up choosing the less boring faculty, just because everyone does it.

Is really so necessary like society tells us? 

[Leo Gura]

It's necessary and good for STEM fields. If you're not doing STEM then seriously consider non-university paths.

It's way too easy to bullshit yourself with non-STEM fields because they aren't well-grounded and filled with human BS.

Edited September 11 by Leo Gura

[Keryo Koffa]

@Asia P It's an excuse to socialize and create accountability for not wasting time. ChatGPT teaches 10billion% better.

[Rishabh R]

Yeah absolutely but there is also a negative aspects to it 

[Peo]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

STEM fields

If anyone is confused to what he means here is the explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science,_technology,_engineering,_and_mathematics

[mmKay]

if you're in some EU country where it's absolutely free and you get paid for going, have no real passions and interests yet and have no worth etic or self-reliability, there is no shame in plugging into the system. Not all people are suited for going solo and having unique careers

ideally your career or LP is at last somewhat aligned with your uni studies

Edited September 11 by mmKay

[Keryo Koffa]

11 minutes ago, Peo said:

If anyone is confused to what he means here is the explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science,_technology,_engineering,_and_mathematics

To summarize: STEM stands for Specialists in Theoretical Extra-Nerdy Magic Super Talented Engineering Minions

[Rishabh R]

@Peo thanks as I right now realised that I am in a STEM field.

[Rigel]

Networking, networking, networking. Yeah knowledge is free nowadays but I kinda like it. Surrounded by people that are into the same things I’m into.

Edited September 11 by Rigel

[Ero]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It's necessary and good for STEM fields. If you're not doing STEM then seriously consider non-university paths.

It's way too easy to bullshit yourself with non-STEM fields because they aren't well-grounded and filled with human BS.

I second that. Even philosophically brilliant people can fool themselves in thinking the big picture can substitute for the details. 
 

Would you rather be operated on by a MD grad or a reiki practitioner with only HS?

I’ve self-taught myself large parts of math and physics, and have also taken grad-level classes in these topics. Truth is, whatever you think you can do in 5h, college will make you (and in the process teach you) how to do it in 30 mins. It gives structure, rigour and most of all - direction. You may think some idea is interesting and worth pursuing, whereas it could have been discovered to be a dead end years earlier- an advisor/ professor is someone who can tell you that in advance. Not without its faults, but the critiques should be from above, not below, understanding first that the size and complexity of human knowledge requires an academic structure to begin with.
 

If you are genuinely serious about STEM, college is the only way.

[Atb210201]

It depends only on you

You find any value in it good

You find no value in it good

It depends on you actually

Edited September 11 by Atb210201

[Hojo]

If you want a job that requires you to go then yea. If you are doing any art then no. going to school for art is like butchering your imagination.

Edited September 12 by Hojo

[CARDOZZO]

 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Hojo said:

going to school for art is like butchering your imagination.

Actual art school would be very valuable for an artist. There is much to learn about making fine art. Great art is like a science.

Edited September 12 by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura Everything is available online and when out of school you can do whatever  you want. The schools severely limit you on what you can create. If I want to learn about art I can look at a tutorial. Art is about creation it does not matter the process and wasting money learning about other peoples artistic talents to me is bad. Its like a tutorial with direct criticism while doing multiple things you do not necessarily want to focus on. Not needed if you love are you will do it.

Edited September 12 by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

@Hojo You can't get a serious education online. What you get online is scraps and breadcrumbs.

You're not going to get a solid art education by watching some online tutorials. You won't even know what you're missing. You won't even realize what education is. You are more likely to turn into an online ogre than some genius.

Edited September 12 by Leo Gura

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura I went to art school and alot of my classes were tutorials. Every class was a tutorial you cant teach artistry its something you have. You can teach someone to be a drone and artist is birthed.

Edited September 12 by Hojo

[Jacob Morres]

@Leo Gura you can but it takes a lot of strategy and effort 

https://www.scotthyoung.com/blog/myprojects/mit-challenge-2/

This guy did the entire MIT comp sci curriculum at home. He found all courses and projects that were adjacent, and he passed all of mits online exams all under a year (from scratch) 

It takes a very ambitious person though to put together a high quality strategy and follow through

Edited September 12 by Jacob Morres

[Extreme Z7]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Hojo You can't get a serious education online. What you get online is scraps and breadcrumbs.

You're not going to get a solid art education by watching some online tutorials. You won't even know what you're missing. You won't even realize what education is. You are more likely to turn into an online ogre than some genius.

As an actual career artist myself, I can say that you're talking shit. Art school is highly rigid and standardized in the way they teach art. They care more about making your work look "professional" in a normie sense rather than you finding your own unique creative success. (and even then, I've heard some people say they believe art school has become old-fashioned and doesn't really cater to actual modern industry trends)

I will say that maybe for certain specific artistic disciplines, maybe, just maybe, you absolutely *need* a degree. E.g. Graphics Designer. Animator (especially 3D), VFX artist.

But for Painters, Cartoonists (like me-self), Illustrators, etc., Internet Tutorials, In-Person Courses, and Books is already enough to get fairly professional advice making art school somewhat unnecessary. And it'll probably be cheaper than having to pay student loans.

(My actual college degree is in CompSci, by the way. Even there, sometimes I think I could have just learned programming on my own.)

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Great art is like a science.

And the best Science is done by visionaries, regardless of whether they're in academia or not.

Edited September 12 by Extreme Z7

[Jacob Morres]

@Asia P

you might like this video on the college/no college debate. It's very nuanced

https://youtu.be/nxL4ZfVqKLI?si=6XfVJ81ybH22rM6p

Edited September 12 by Jacob Morres