Is prostitution okay if legal and regularized?

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, manuel bon said:

The problem is that prostitution is a nasty job and plenty of people get hurt

Politics is a way more nasty job, so is being a police officer and soldiers in war. People need to expand their awareness a bit and realize that the true dangers are the ones hidden. That said, sure it can be, especially for the street ones, but it's not a nasty job overall if done in certain ways. I've been doing this for awhile and have never gotten hurt nor has any of the girls I've been in contact with and barely ever heard of any "hurt stories" A housekeeper in one of the casino hotels was raped and murdered by a guest. Schools now have to do mass shooter drills and put their students through trauma and nurses in senior citizen homes have to watch people die everyday or attend to the old and sick and clean up nasty things all the time.

Reason I'm saying these things is to show that people put too much emphasis on this and not realizing that all the things they say about this line of work can be applied to many other unsuspected jobs, occupations and aspects of life overall. It surely has it's benefits and draw backs, but so does a lot more things in society and some are way more dangerous.

[manuel bon]

21 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No, that's not being closed-minded, just protective.

It can be a close minded perspective

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, manuel bon said:

It can be a close minded perspective

To me, not wanting your daughter or son to do prostitution work is not closed-minded. The perspectives on what the work entails  can be of a close-minded nature if it's coming from personal biases and judgements and is criticized based off of ignorance and a lack of knowing the ins and outs of the business and the different ways it can be exercised - that's where the closed-mindedness comes in and the refusal to see how it can be done in a respectable and non-threatening manner.

[manuel bon]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I've been doing this for awhile and have never gotten hurt nor has any of the girls I've been in contact with and barely ever heard of any "hurt stories" A housekeeper in one of the casino hotels was raped and murdered by a guest. Schools now have to do mass shooter drills and put their students through trauma and nurses in senior citizen homes have to watch people die everyday or attend to the old and sick and clean up nasty things all the time.

Thank you for sharing your opinion and experience! 

I understand what you say, but doesn't it hurt you being used sexually as a job? How do (or did) you feel when you were working?

You don't need to reply if the question is too much.

[manuel bon]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Reason I'm saying these things is to show that people put too much emphasis on this and not realizing that all the things they say about this line of work can be applied to many other unsuspected jobs, occupations and aspects of life overall. It surely has it's benefits and draw backs, but so does a lot more things in society and some are way more dangerous.

You are right. 

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, manuel bon said:

Thank you for sharing your opinion and experience! 

I understand what you say, but doesn't it hurt you being used sexually as a job? How do (or did) you feel when you were working?

You don't need to reply if the question is too much.

No, everyone knows here that I'm pretty open to this because I don't judge it or myself for doing it. 

It hurts me more that the food industry in the USA is knowingly poisoning people by approving certain chemicals in food that are known carcinogens and can cause tremendous harm to the body. It hurts me more that politicians lie to their supporters just to get votes. It hurts me more when a guy tries to lie to me about his feelings towards me just to get in my pants. It hurts me more to see men physically abuse their spouses and leave their baby mamas to fend for themselves and abandon their kids. It hurts me more to see how doctors can easily prescribe drugs to their patients without doing proper screening and now they become addicts. I could go on for infinity.

As far as my work goes and how I engage, I'm not being used for anything, that I didn't consent to. It's an exchange of services and I conduct myself in ways that I'm comfortable with and I'm the one in charge. I'm not being coerced, and neither are my clients. I've had many wonderful times doing what I do and have met many beautiful people and have had some wonderful experiences. Of course, the opposite is also true, but that comes with the territory but the positives way out number the negatives. 

You have to understand and just like anything else, there are different ways of doing this work with different kinds of experiences and outcomes and what one does and how they carry themselves. It's not a one-size-fits- all kind of work, it varies.

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[Princess Arabia]

Just to make it clear, i'm more traumatized (well, not really traumatized, just saying), by the naysayers, the judgers, the criticizers and the people who look down on this work, and the regular ho Joe's who think they're better than or of a high moral standard than the ones engaging.

That's where I have most of my problems. Not with the people I usually engage with as I'm not engaging with the low-lifes and I do try to choose my clients wisely. I've been used more by regular men who just wanted to get their rocks off by pretense. (That was when I was way younger, naive and didn't know any better)

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[Scholar]

Obviously we should imprison prostitutes and customers of prostitution because it will mitigate abuse and coercion.

Prostitution threatens to undermine the institution of the family.

Children born of prostitution suffering as a result.

Prostitution often comes with coercion and dysfunction.

 

Ergo, to remain consistent with incest laws, we ought to imprison both potential victims and perpetrators of prostitutional activity. 

We also should consider anyone who participates in the activity of prostitution as immoral, dysfunctional and disgusting.

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[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Obviously we should imprison prostitutes and customers of prostitution because it will mitigate abuse and coercion.

Prostitution threatens to undermine the institution of the family.

Children born of prostitution suffering as a result.

Prostitution often comes with coercion and dysfunction.

 

Ergo, to remain consistent with incest laws, we ought to imprison both potential victims and perpetrators of prostitutional activity. 

We also should consider anyone who participates in the activity of prostitution as immoral, dysfunctional and disgusting.

Lol. Go tell that to the hundreds of cops and judges that engage in these activities and prosecutors and lawyers that gather for conventions in Vegas and elsewhere. I'm first hand witness. Please save your morality for where it's really needed.

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[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Prostitution threatens to undermine the institution of the family.

Maybe we should just lock up everybody as just about everybody's family is dysfunctional. Not to mention the traumatized Christians and molesting Catholics 

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[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Ergo, to remain consistent with incest laws, we ought to imprison both potential victims and perpetrators of prostitutional activity. 

The only thing that will happen in prison is to breed more dysfunction, more sexual activities minus the $$ fighting and people engaging in ruthless behavior. Someone giving someone $$ for an act and both are satisfied seems a bit more humane to me.

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's in their nature and for most who don't, it's a restraint mechanism

How would you know who actually doesn't feel the need to cheat and who restraints themselves?

I think self-restraint is only needed when you don't love the other person.

[Scholar]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The only thing that will happen in prison is to breed more dysfunction, more sexual activities minus the $$ fighting and people engaging in ruthless behavior. Someone giving someone $$ for an act and both are satisfied seems a bit more humane to me.

Well the same applies to incest, so to remain consistent we need to also ban prostitution. With incest, we don't even care if they are consenting adults, we would still put them in prison, and we would shame and call them disgusting. Society would collectively view them as reprehensible even if they are not harming anyone, and we would view both the potential victim and perpetrator this way.

We clearly are not interested in being humane as a society, but we do need to apply the law consistently.

 

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol. Go tell that to the hundreds of cops and judges that engage in these activities and prosecutors and lawyers that gather for conventions in Vegas and elsewhere. I'm first hand witness. Please save your morality for where it's really needed.

I don't see what that has to do with being consistent in regards to the application of law.

 

 

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[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Well the same applies to incest, so to remain consistent we need to also ban prostitution. With incest, we don't even care if they are consenting adults, we would still put them in prison, and we would shame and call them disgusting. Society would collectively view them as reprehensible even if they are not harming anyone, and we would view both the potential victim and perpetrator this way.

We clearly are not interested in being humane as a society, but we do need to apply the law consistently.

 

I don't see how that has to do with being consistent in regards to the application of law.

 

 

Because you keep talking about man-made laws when these same law enforcers are some of the ones violating them and also in this context. Sooooooo many are. Then they go out and lock up the same people they engaged with in the so-called illegal activity. Don't know about you, but I see something wrong with that picture. How about suggesting counselling, or other alternatives for people who need it instead of advocating to lock up people committing non-violent things in order to feed themselves and their family.

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[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

I think self-restraint is only needed when you don't love the other person.

People keep talking about love. What's love got to do with it. Nothing. Loving someone doesn't make for a more monogamous mind. I can understand saying if they just don't have the desire to sleep with anyone else, but loving or not loving a person is not a requisite for monogamy. Someone can truly love a person while lusting sexually after another because sex has nothing to do with love. It's just a by-product. You can have sex without love and you can love without sex.

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[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

People keep talking about love. What's love got to do with it. Nothing. Loving someone doesn't make for a more monogamous mind. I can understand saying if they just don't have the desire to sleep with anyone else, but loving or not loving a person is not a requisite for monogamy. Someone can truly love a person while lusting sexually for another. 

We are mixing a lot of different topics here.

My statement is that:

Some people are monogamous, some people are not monogamous.

Non monogamous people should have open relationships from the start, hence cheating is not applicable people.

Monogamous people only cheat when they don't love their partner / lose attraction for them. Otherwise they shouldn't feel the need to cheat.

This is excluding addictions and other mental health issues that can make someone more prone to cheating.

[Scholar]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Because you keep talking about man-made laws when these same law enforcers are some of the ones violating them and also in this context. Sooooooo many are. Then they go out and lock up the same people they engaged with in the so-called illegal activity. Don't know about you, but I see something wrong with that picture. How about suggesting counselling, or other alternatives for people who need it instead of advocating to lock up people committing non-violent things in order to feed themselves and their family.

I was just trying to make a point about incest being treated this way. I don't actually believe we should put prostitutes in prison for engaging in such activity, obviously. That is barbaric, yet nobody bats an eye when we do that to minorities that we find disgusting and reprehensible despite not harming anyone.

I was demonstrating the dangers of using the harm principle to dismiss the autonomy of individuals, and to punish and shame them for these behaviours.

 

In the end, most of it is motivated not be concern for victims, but simply because we find the notion of certain acts reprehensible.

[Princess Arabia]

41 minutes ago, Scholar said:

We also should consider anyone who participates in the activity of prostitution as immoral, dysfunctional and disgusting.

If someone pays another to go out to dinner or have a conversation for a few hours talking about wonderful things and in the process learnt a thing or two then go back to a hotel room for a fantastic massage or whatever else they engage in behind closed doors and then go on their merry way both satisfied with the encounter, where is the DISGUST and dysfunction in that. It was still prostitution. I could name numerous more situations and circumstances where there was prostitution taking place where it is not dysfunctional, disgusting or immoral. Get your facts straight before the use of a broad word as this. Did you know that a woman marrying a man for his money and having sexual acts with that man is, by the definition of the word, prostitution (engaging in sexual activities for payment), is just a glorified form of prostitution.

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[Scholar]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

If someone pays another to go out to dinner or have a conversation for a few hours talking about wonderful things and in the process learnt a thing or two then go back to a hotel room for a fantastic massage or whatever else they engage in behind closed doors and then go on their merry way both satisfied with the encounter, where is the DISGUST and dysfunction in that. It was still prostitution. I could name numerous more situations and circumstances where there was prostitution taking place where it is not dysfunctional, disgusting or immoral. Get your facts straight before the use of a broad word as this. Did you know that a woman marrying a man for his money and having sexual acts with that man is, by the definition of the word, prostitution (engaging in sexual activities for payment), is just a glorified form of prostitution.

Yes Princess. My point is we can make all of these arguments for incest as well.

 

But with incest, people argue that, even if sometimes it can be consensual (they will deny that it ever could be, so they don't have to admit they stigmatize and imprison innocent people), that shaming and imprisoning people for acting this way in all contexts will mitigate harm and dysfunction overall.

 

If a society is to be consistent, the same would apply in the context of prostitution, among other things.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Some people are monogamous, some people are not monogamous.

I'm not speaking about identities and using the word loosely. I'm saying that some are only monogamous not because they never felt an urge but because they want to do right by their partner. They are only living up to a name and not only for the sole reason of never having the urge to sleep with another. Many people are monogamous but it doesn't negate the fact that they still had to refrain themselves and gave never felt the urge to sway.

 

14 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Non monogamous people should have open relationships from the start

I'm not discussing what people should or shouldn't do.

 

14 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Monogamous people only cheat when they don't love their partner / lose attraction for them. Otherwise they shouldn't feel the need to cheat.

Still referring to the matter as what people should or should do or how they should or shouldn't feel. That's not my concern and what i'm referring to. Saying people only cheat when they don't live their partner is an assumption.