Why is painful to the man to know that her crush is having sex with another man yet..

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, manuel bon said:

You're right when you say that depends on each person. I've had two long relationships and I had sex with both. If in some years I break up (let's hope not) and sleep with the next girlfriend I wouldn't say it's too much. 

To me high body count is when for example you do pickup and sleep weekly or even monthly with different people.

Yes, and of course everyone changes. It's all about what that partner thinks and can bring to the table at that moment.

[Javfly33]

On 10/09/2024 at 11:21 PM, NoSelfSelf said:

You are not a man 😅

 

On 10/09/2024 at 11:48 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Only men who don't value themselves or feel unworthy see women in this way. Everything is always about the person seeing it. That's why one's beliefs can tell a lot about that person. Not all men see women as undervalued or devalued after having sex with them.

 

On 11/09/2024 at 1:00 AM, Basman said:

If sex is just about pleasure and context for when you have sex doesn't matter, then why is rape wrong? It is just sex, no? It feels good, no?

We not only criminalize rape but are disgusted by it and demonize rapists as a society. Sex is a deeply personal thing to us, wrought with boundaries that cannot simple be transgressed willy-nilly.

Also, what evidence is there that men are more jealous over their love interests?

 

23 hours ago, manuel bon said:

I think you're all wrong... Well except for when you say that the culture of "body count" is toxic

Interesting how much 'hate' this Topic is getting...

Maybe you should not participate in a forum if you react with disrespect when people as me sincerely share whats on their mind regarding sex...

Edited September 11 by Javfly33

[UnbornTao]

Play nice guys

[UnbornTao]

On 9/10/2024 at 10:21 PM, NoSelfSelf said:

You are not a man 😅

Care to (respectfully) elaborate?

[NoSelfSelf]

6 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Care to (respectfully) elaborate?

Well respectfully is showing you are in your feelings too ,how men operate is that they will attack a weakness no matter who you are.

No man will ask those queastions that come from emotionality,no man cares about those stuff it comes from being emotionaly attached to a woman like a woman, because man is not falling in love with a woman because if he does then you can see that if she disrespects,fall out of line because he loves her he will just take it thats why man fall in respect.

Queastion was why men and thats the faulty queastion because you are not the one and think like one...

 

Edited September 12 by NoSelfSelf

[Basman]

9 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Interesting how much 'hate' this Topic is getting...

Maybe you should not participate in a forum if you react with disrespect when people as me sincerely share whats on their mind regarding sex...

I'm sorry if I came off as disrespectful. That was not my intent.

But your opening statement was itself inflammatory in my opinion and comes of as condescending, generalizing and presumptive ("why men have this toxic attitude?") without really building your case. It is not a mistake that people disagree strongly with you.

[manuel bon]

9 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Interesting how much 'hate' this Topic is getting...

Maybe you should not participate in a forum if you react with disrespect when people as me sincerely share whats on their mind regarding sex...

Why do you say I reacted with disrespect? That was not my intention. I simply said that imo you're wrong. I gave my opinion, same way you did.

[Rishabh R]

I have been through in this condition but later I moved on . Trust me @Javfly33 once you move on things start to get better as you create much more attractiveness in your life as moving on is a superpower.

[shree]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Many men have a Madonna-whore complex. They can’t grasp the complexity of a woman.  

They categorize women into two categories in their minds: she is either a whore or a Madonna.  

They can’t understand that every woman is both a sexual being and a pure being, it’s not a contradiction.

Even the purest, most virgin, and loyal girl they’ve ever met,  they don’t know what is in her mind.  

They think that her having sex ruins her purity, but it’s an illusion because her purity is eternal.

Every woman is eternally pure and, at the same time, an eternal sexual goodness. God accepts women being that, God created women like that, God LOVES women exactly like they are, who you are to dismiss God with your patriarchal nonsense? (Not you in particular)

Even the biggest "whore," the most sexually expressive woman in this world, is pure.  
Eternally pure.

Men have a lot of neurosis around women’s sexuality because of their own insecurities and obsessive-compulsive tendencies to control women.  

I’m not saying that everyone should be reckless about it. Sex is very intimate and vulnerable, and it should be done consciously. But that doesn’t mean people should shame or devalue each other for it.

It can be extremely hard to accept this when you grow up in a Stage Blue culture - this is where Madonna-whore complex comes from.

[Keryo Koffa]

25 minutes ago, shree said:

It can be extremely hard to accept this when you grow up in a Stage Blue culture
This is where Madonna-whore complex comes from

Spiral Dynamics in a Nutshell

Break the pattern, Transcend

Overshoot the Pendelum, Reverse

Overshoot the other Pendelum

"Improvise, Adapt, Overcome"

Transcend and Include

Expand, Integrate, Reverse

Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis

Red Expresses, Blue Harmonizes but Suppresses, Orange Harmonizes Red and Re-expresses
Green harmonizes Orange and suppresses, Yellow transcends, includes, and harmonizes
Turquoise transcends the limitations and includes, Coral converges, then rediverges holarchies

Edited September 12 by Keryo Koffa

[Schizophonia]

23 minutes ago, shree said:

It can be extremely hard to accept this when you grow up in a Stage Blue culture - this is where Madonna-whore complex comes from.

No it comes from oeudipian complexe.

The whore and madonna syndrome, fantasies about age/race/gender (autogynephilia) and BDSM, even neediness and all the strange ideas like "must be distant but not too distant with women". It all comes from there.
You'll have to read my next topic

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Many men have a Madonna-whore complex. They can’t grasp the complexity of a woman.  

They categorize women into two categories in their minds: she is either a whore or a Madonna.  

They can’t understand that every woman is both a sexual being and a pure being, it’s not a contradiction.

Even the purest, most virgin, and loyal girl they’ve ever met,  they don’t know what is in her mind.  

They think that her having sex ruins her purity, but it’s an illusion because her purity is eternal.

Every woman is eternally pure and, at the same time, an eternal sexual goodness. God accepts women being that, God created women like that, God LOVES women exactly like they are, who you are to dismiss God with your patriarchal nonsense? (Not you in particular)

Even the biggest "whore," the most sexually expressive woman in this world, is pure.  
Eternally pure.

Men have a lot of neurosis around women’s sexuality because of their own insecurities and obsessive-compulsive tendencies to control women.  

I’m not saying that everyone should be reckless about it. Sex is very intimate and vulnerable, and it should be done consciously. But that doesn’t mean people should shame or devalue each other for it.

Beautiful post. 

[Keryo Koffa]

51 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

No it comes from oeudipian complexe.

The whore and madonna syndrome, fantasies about age/race/gender (autogynephilia) and BDSM, even neediness and all the strange ideas like "must be distant but not too distant with women". It all comes from there.
You'll have to read my next topic

Madonnas aren't whory enough & BDSM is too vanilla.

Autogynephilia is outdated, you just metaphysically fuse both genders and enjoy the ecstasy

Then you morph between them to confuse the shit out of people of lower stages

It's also a neat & unique canvas for self-exploration 😁

[shree]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

No it comes from oeudipian complexe.

The whore and madonna syndrome, fantasies about age/race/gender (autogynephilia) and BDSM, even neediness and all the strange ideas like "must be distant but not too distant with women". It all comes from there.
You'll have to read my next topic

Nope.

Freud’s Oedipus complex doesn’t fully explain the Madonna-whore complex. Stage Blue cultures, with strict gender roles and patriarchal values, reinforce this divide between “good” and “bad” women. Freud’s theory ignores these strong cultural and societal influences, making it outdated as the sole explanation.

[shree]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Yet, it seems that many 'advanced' men in society hold this Blue stage view of women. It seems that they have deconstructed and questioned many social beliefs and paradigms, but for some reason, this remains unquestioned.
And more than that, it’s even rationalized by evolutionary psychology theory which is a pseudo science with a lot of nonsense. 

  People just need more psychedelics in their lives. @Lila9

 

2 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Spiral Dynamics in a Nutshell

Break the pattern, Transcend

Overshoot the Pendelum, Reverse

Overshoot the other Pendelum

"Improvise, Adapt, Overcome"

Transcend and Include

Expand, Integrate, Reverse

Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis

Red Expresses, Blue Harmonizes but Suppresses, Orange Harmonizes Red and Re-expresses
Green harmonizes Orange and suppresses, Yellow transcends, includes, and harmonizes
Turquoise transcends the limitations and includes, Coral converges, then rediverges holarchies

@Keryo Koffa Your post increased my already high brain fog by 200%. 

Edited September 12 by shree

[Keryo Koffa]

Just now, shree said:

1. People just need more psychedelics in their lives.
2. Your post increased my already high brain fog by 200%. 

1. 20000000000% and put ∞ on top of that
2. I'm training your inution. You're Welcome.

[shree]

6 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

1.  
2. I'm training your inution. You're Welcome.

My intent wasn’t to offend. I appreciate your perspective, djust dealing with some brain fog. lol

Edited September 12 by shree

[Lyubov]

4 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Many men have a Madonna-whore complex. They can’t grasp the complexity of a woman.  

They categorize women into two categories in their minds: she is either a whore or a Madonna.  

They can’t understand that every woman is both a sexual being and a pure being, it’s not a contradiction.

Even the purest, most virgin, and loyal girl they’ve ever met,  they don’t know what is in her mind.  

They think that her having sex ruins her purity, but it’s an illusion because her purity is eternal.

Every woman is eternally pure and, at the same time, an eternal sexual goodness. God accepts women being that, God created women like that, God LOVES women exactly like they are, who you are to dismiss God with your patriarchal nonsense? (Not you in particular)

Even the biggest "whore," the most sexually expressive woman in this world, is pure.  
Eternally pure.

Men have a lot of neurosis around women’s sexuality because of their own insecurities and obsessive-compulsive tendencies to control women.  

I’m not saying that everyone should be reckless about it. Sex is very intimate and vulnerable, and it should be done consciously. But that doesn’t mean people should shame or devalue each other for it.

I do agree that a woman for her sexuality and whatnot doesn’t diminish her value but also I want to add that men are not wrong for wanting low body count. Men are constantly being gaslit for this. We do not want to give up our options to girls who been fucked by lots of other guys. I know everyone is trying to constantly spin it as male insecurity. Sorry, no. It’s male survival and thank god we have this because choosing a woman who slept with half the town is a terrible survival strategy if we want our genetics passed on and to honor what we value which is beauty and exclusivity. If a woman sleeps around I agree that doesn’t affect her value. Fine. Anyone who wants to be with her can be with her and I wouldn’t say they are better or worse for it. But following your logic we could throw in any preference. You could say the same for being fat, for being physically unattractive. It’s opinion. A woman who slept around is a huge red flag for me and for most men and it isn’t because we are just closed minded bigots. If there’s 10 men and 1 woman on an island, there’s one baby, 10 women 1 man, 10 babies. This is nature. Mammals across many species value exclusivity. From our relative preference why should I value sex with a woman who fifty other men had? Would you like to give me some dollars and I’ll give you Monopoly money? I do agree in an absolute sense value doesn’t change and this is not an attack on anyone. It’s a matter of preference and I’m just saying I’m tired of men being gaslit for having this preference. We value women who haven’t been had by every brother, and that is not an insecurity. 

Edited September 12 by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

And I also think this applies to one side more than the other. Bothered by it? Take it up with the creator. We are all different and unique. I’m not crying about having more muscle, the implications and obligations for my own uniqueness, the expectations for me to defend and put my body on the line if there is danger. Let’s not try to just level out the differences in male and female sexuality. My 5’3 120ib ex gonna defend me if there is a war? Way too much denial these days in this. Women putting their bodies up easily for any man are not attractive as long term partners and for good reasons. Men do not want to fully commit to a woman who has been had by a huge amount of men, that number is subjective and depends a lot on culture but it is an observable phenomena. It’s not fair. Life is not fair, it’s fantastic.  

Edited September 12 by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

This is not a matter of value, it’s a matter of preference. Do not confuse what I’m saying about high body count women as a judgement of their value. It’s a matter of preference that many men share for good reasons.