Kamala-Trump Debate

[Emerald]

18 hours ago, aurum said:

Not for the average Trump voter.

They love that stuff.

Of course Trump voters won't budge in relation to the debate.

But the debate is for reaching undecided voters and normies. And for that, Kamala came off as normal and articulate... and Trump came across as unhinged and uncharismatic.

So, this debate was a big loss for Trump as it will ONLY be accepted and energizing to people who are already really into him.

It will scare away moderates, independents, and undecided voters.

[Hardkill]

Even though I've been finding TYT to be more and more obnoxious Cenk did make a very important point here in this vid about how conservative media for decades has been working the referee by accusing mainstream media of liberal bias. Moreover, this strategy has successfully led to mainstream outlets giving undue attention to misinformation and conspiracy theories:

 

The Majority Report did a job of pointing out how much Megyn Kelly gaslit her viewers on why Trump lost the Trump debate:

 

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[Frylock]

I actually feel pity for Trump. He could have done a much better job exposing Kamala's weaknesses. All he did was magnify how unfit, unhinged and checked out from reality he is. The guy is just not okay.

Call it a career, bub. Relax and enjoy retirement. You had a good run as a polarizing figure for so long, take the money and run.

[Leo Gura]

Megyn Kelly is such a cringey airhead.

FoxNews material.

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[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

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Don't go there.

I was not commenting on her looks but the ignorant and biased things she says.

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[aurum]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

Of course Trump voters won't budge in relation to the debate.

But the debate is for reaching undecided voters and normies. And for that, Kamala came off as normal and articulate... and Trump came across as unhinged and uncharismatic.

So, this debate was a big loss for Trump as it will ONLY be accepted and energizing to people who are already really into him.

It will scare away moderates, independents, and undecided voters.

Let’s wait for the election polling numbers to come in.

What I don’t like is seeing progressives jump on this narrative of how “obvious” it was that Kamala crushed Trump, when really they’re just looking at it from their progressive POV. Which includes how they think average voters behave.

Critique out of the way, I do think it was Kamala’s night. The baiting was real and Trump walked into it perpetually. She slammed him on Putin and he slammed himself with fake election nonsense. Definitely one of his worst debates, while she looked ready.

My guess is she will get a decent polling boost from this + Taylor.

[Leo Gura]

When pundits rant about who won or lost a debate, mostly what they are doing is jerking each other off to justify their own careers.

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[Hardkill]

14 minutes ago, aurum said:

Let’s wait for the election polling numbers to come in.

What I don’t like is seeing progressives jump on this narrative of how “obvious” it was that Kamala crushed Trump, when really they’re just looking at it from their progressive POV. Which includes how they think average voters behave.

Critique out of the way, I do think it was Kamala’s night. The baiting was real and Trump walked into it perpetually. She slammed him on Putin and he slammed himself with fake election nonsense. Definitely one of his worst debates, while she looked ready.

My guess is she will get a decent polling boost from this + Taylor.

That’s valid point.

Harris did fantastic last night, but I am somewhat disappointed that she didn’t get way more than 63% of people who watched it to think that she won the debate according to the CNN poll. 

When Hillary Clinton won her first debate against Trump in 2016, she also convinced about 63% of voters who watched it to think that she won that debate according to a CNN poll back then. Trump back then wasn’t nearly as bad at debating as he has been this time around.

 

[Hardkill]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

When pundits rant about who won or lost a debate, mostly what they are doing is jerking each other off to justify their own careers.

That’s also what I was alluding to.

[aurum]

2 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

That’s valid point.

Harris did fantastic last night, but I am somewhat disappointed that she didn’t get way more than 63% of people who watched it to think that she won the debate according to the CNN poll. 

When Hillary Clinton won her first debate against Trump in 2016, she also convinced about 63% of voters who watched it to think that she won that debate according to a CNN poll back then. Trump back then wasn’t nearly as bad at debating as he has been this time around.

 

It ultimately doesn’t matter if people polled think she won the debate.

What matters is whether it moved actual voters. And the data on that still remains to be seen.

[Joshe]

2 minutes ago, aurum said:

It ultimately doesn’t matter if people polled think she won the debate.

What matters is whether it moved actual voters. And the data on that still remains to be seen.

True, but I’ll take my own sentiment analysis over some poll. The poll is useful data, so it gets included, but you can use google trends, track social media influencers, msm, cope levels, etc. all sorts of stuff you can do to get data to inform your opinion. 

@Hardkill 😂😂😂 damn man, you cracked me up with the Meg Kelly thing. 

[Hardkill]

15 minutes ago, aurum said:

It ultimately doesn’t matter if people polled think she won the debate.

What matters is whether it moved actual voters. And the data on that still remains to be seen.

If it doesn't move a significant amount of likely voters, then I wouldn't be surprised.

Debates have very, very rarely made any difference in the outcome of any presidential election. Biden dropping out after his poor debate performance was an anomaly in US History.

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

If it doesn't move a significant amount of likely voters, then I wouldn't be surprised.

Debates have very, very rarely made any difference in the outcome of any presidential election. Biden dropping out after his poor debate performance was an anomaly in US History.

The poll ain’t gonna answer how normies were swayed. The psychological impact is subtle and cannot be measured by their polls. This was undoubtedly in Kamala’s favor.  

[Hardkill]

11 minutes ago, Joshe said:

The poll ain’t gonna answer how normies were swayed. The psychological impact is subtle and cannot be measured by their polls. This was undoubtedly in Kamala’s favor.  

I hope you're right.

However, it's still mind blowing how many undecided people who watched that debate were still undecided.

As pessimistic as this may sound, my dad says that he think thats those people who watched the debate and are still having trouble deciding between a psychotic evil old bastard and an inspiring colored woman in her prime who is so eminently qualified for the job of the presidency, means that they probably are still too racist, too sexist, and too backwards to vote for her.

I hope my dad is proven wrong.

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[aurum]

15 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I hope you're right.

However, it's still mind blowing how many undecided people who watched that debate were still undecided.

As pessimistic as this may sound, my dad says that he think thats those people who watched the debate and are still having trouble deciding between a psychotic evil old bastard and an inspiring colored woman in her prime who is so eminently qualified for the job of the presidency, means that they probably are still too racist, too sexist, and too backwards to vote for her.

I hope my dad is proven wrong.

We’ll see. It’s still an open question.

But this is why I keep trying to emphasize not just looking at the debate from a progressive POV. It will skew your interpretation.

There should be nothing mind-blowing about realizing that last night was not enough to move many undecided voters.

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[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, aurum said:

There should be nothing shocking about realizing that last night was not enough to move many undecided voters.

What about decided voters? Did it change their mindset on who they wanna vote for? 

[Joshe]

26 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I hope you're right.

However, it's still mind blowing how many undecided people who watched that debate were still undecided.

As pessimistic as this may sound, my dad says that he think thats those people who watched the debate and are still having trouble deciding between a psychotic evil old bastard and an inspiring colored woman in her prime who is so eminently qualified for the job of the presidency, means that they probably are still too racist, too sexist, and too backwards to vote for her.

I hope my dad is proven wrong.

Have you ever watched people slowly accept a new idea, which is usually how new ideas are accepted? It doesn’t happen in an instant.

It takes around 20 or so times of hearing a Spotify ad before it really starts to work on you. What are normies doing right now? They’re not making up their minds. They’re being influenced. Little by little. It’s near impossible for this debate to not boost Kamala because her campaign is objectively on point. No need to wait on a poll. 

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[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

What about decided voters? Did it change their mindset on who they wanna vote for? 

Why would a significant number of decided voters change their minds about who to vote for, especially in this day and age when the political climate has become more polarized and calcified than ever before since the antebellum of the Civil War.

[aurum]

5 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

What about decided voters? Did it change their mindset on who they wanna vote for? 

Almost anyone who is decided is not going to change their mind at this point.

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

When pundits rant about who won or lost a debate, mostly what they are doing is jerking each other off to justify their own careers.

That’s 99% of the 24 hour news cycle. People used to get 30 minutes a day of news and that was it.