Kamala-Trump Debate

[Leo Gura]

@Hardkill Everything is projection.

[Hardkill]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Hardkill Everything is projection.

Yeah, but why preach to others about it? 

[LoseYourvelf]

17 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, but why preach to others about it? 

lmfao

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, but why preach to others about it? 

That's the game

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's the game

Game for what?

I don’t see the point of doing it when you can instead just not judge others if you are doing the opposite of what you’re telling them to do.

Edited September 21 by Hardkill

[Emerald]

12 hours ago, Hardkill said:

I've never totally understood why such people who cheat on their partners or engage in a sex binge then preach to others about sexuality and being chaste.

That's just the way that the human psyche operates when an instinct is shamed away and repressed.

That's the nature of the Shadow.

So, it's not shocking to me at all, and I have a great deal of understanding for people in these kinds of cycles, because I have my own cycles that manifest in different ways.

The more you resist and repress something, the more out of control its expression becomes.

[bambi]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

That's just the way that the human psyche operates when an instinct is shamed away and repressed.

That's the nature of the Shadow.

So, it's not shocking to me at all, and I have a great deal of understanding for people in these kinds of cycles, because I have my own cycles that manifest in different ways.

The more you resist and repress something, the more out of control its expression becomes.

But how are you rationalising your desire to fuck lots of men when you are married, isnt this a form of repression too?

[BlueOak]

15 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Game for what?

I don’t see the point of doing it when you can instead just not judge others if you are doing the opposite of what you’re telling them to do.

You are talking to yourself. Always.

[Emerald]

On 9/21/2024 at 4:53 PM, bambi said:

But how are you rationalising your desire to fuck lots of men when you are married, isnt this a form of repression too?

Me personally? Or hypothetically if I did have that desire? 

Personally, I just don't have a desire to have sex with lots of men.

I know men usually feel that way about women. But from the perspective of most women, having sex with a lot of guys is not very interesting. And honestly, if we did find it interesting, it's pretty easy to set that up. Just approach any guy on the street and there's like a 60% chance he'll say yes.

And it's somewhat uncommon for me to develop a strong enough feelings for a guy to want to be physical with him, as I'm not very interested in the physical experience of sex without the presence of deeper feelings of heart-centered intimacy and the ability to surrender into the long-term pair-bonding process... as the long-term pair-bonding process is where I feel the actual feelings of intense desire and eroticism. 

And (15 years ago) when I was 20 years old and I was single and didn't have much of a friendship/family support network, I did have several brief flings and one-night stands with some guys that I didn't have very strong feelings for. But I found those experiences to be lack-luster. They were more boring than I expected them to be because there wasn't much there to derive a compelling meaning from. 

That said, if I do have those kind of thoughts or feelings arise that might lead me to want to seek intimacy with someone (which happens like once every other year or so)... I don't shame myself for them or repress them away. I observe myself having them and let myself feel them and even enjoy the feelings as they come.

They are normal sexual feelings and resisting them gives them more power and meaning than they actually have.

So, I also keep in mind that these feelings don't have some kind of magic meaning to them... like I'm meant to be with who I'm feeling them towards. 

And I've been through that feelings-cycle enough times to know that those feelings are only meaningful if I make them so. And that, if I followed them every time I felt them, I'd be in a bi-yearly cycle of changing relationships. And that would be very ungrounding and unfulfilling.

But to be clear, my husband and I are married, live together, and raise our kids together. But we haven't been in a romantic relationship for over 5 years. So, we have the family and friend element of the relationship still... but not the romantic element.

[Joshe]

More evidence that Trump wasn't fooled by right-wing twitter shit. He was aware of the absurdity and pushed the story anyway, and it was all planned:

Vance’s team was told Haitian immigrant rumors were false before debate, Springfield mayor confirms

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/20/politics/springfield-ohio-vance-campaign-wsj-report/index.html

So, like I said, they all knew it was bullshit and pushed it anyway, regardless of the absurdity. Trump was waiting for a good time to insert "blacky eating household pets" into the debate, not because he believed it, but because he and his campaign thought getting millions of eyes onto a real-world example of rampant immigration would payoff more than the lie would damage him... and he was right, because his lies are normal and no one bats an eye when he displays zero integrity. 

It's currently assumed that this story is so absurd and so overtly false that it only does damage to Trump. Everyone just defaults to believing this, but I wouldn't be so certain. 

There's an idea of "the scared majority". I know some apolitical normies in PA and I can tell you that the idea their town could be inundated with Haitians is WAY MORE powerful a motivator to check the R than Trump being a liar motivates them to check D.

So, this was the goal and I think all these pundits assuming the Trump campaign is only hurt by this is ridiculous. All this media coverage did was show the left another example of what they already knew, and it gave the normies reason to vote Trump. They were already aware Trump is a bullshitter but there were not aware what was going on right next door. 

Edited September 23 by Joshe

[Sincerity]

Insulting other members is strictly not allowed.

Thank you for reporting guideline-breaching posts. 

Edited September 23 by Sincerity

[UnbornTao]

If it is meant to hurt, it is not honest. 

[lostingenosmaze]

On 9/20/2024 at 6:59 PM, Leo Gura said:

You don't wanna know what kinda porn conservatives consume.

Try me, I ain't a filthy casual 

[Leo Gura]

@Sincerity @UnbornTao Thanks guys for handling this.

Edited September 23 by Leo Gura

[lostingenosmaze]

On 9/20/2024 at 10:28 PM, Hardkill said:

Yeah, but why preach to others about it? 

It's as @Leo Gura said: Direct experience is king. In all actuality he is building experiences suffering the consequences of sex and adultery to preach against it better ☝️🤓

Edited September 23 by lostingenosmaze

[PurpleTree]

 

[UnbornTao]

53 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

[bambi]

On 23/09/2024 at 4:36 PM, Emerald said:

Me personally? Or hypothetically if I did have that desire? 

Personally, I just don't have a desire to have sex with lots of men.

I know men usually feel that way about women. But from the perspective of most women, having sex with a lot of guys is not very interesting. And honestly, if we did find it interesting, it's pretty easy to set that up. Just approach any guy on the street and there's like a 60% chance he'll say yes.

And it's somewhat uncommon for me to develop a strong enough feelings for a guy to want to be physical with him, as I'm not very interested in the physical experience of sex without the presence of deeper feelings of heart-centered intimacy and the ability to surrender into the long-term pair-bonding process... as the long-term pair-bonding process is where I feel the actual feelings of intense desire and eroticism. 

And (15 years ago) when I was 20 years old and I was single and didn't have much of a friendship/family support network, I did have several brief flings and one-night stands with some guys that I didn't have very strong feelings for. But I found those experiences to be lack-luster. They were more boring than I expected them to be because there wasn't much there to derive a compelling meaning from. 

That said, if I do have those kind of thoughts or feelings arise that might lead me to want to seek intimacy with someone (which happens like once every other year or so)... I don't shame myself for them or repress them away. I observe myself having them and let myself feel them and even enjoy the feelings as they come.

They are normal sexual feelings and resisting them gives them more power and meaning than they actually have.

So, I also keep in mind that these feelings don't have some kind of magic meaning to them... like I'm meant to be with who I'm feeling them towards. 

And I've been through that feelings-cycle enough times to know that those feelings are only meaningful if I make them so. And that, if I followed them every time I felt them, I'd be in a bi-yearly cycle of changing relationships. And that would be very ungrounding and unfulfilling.

But to be clear, my husband and I are married, live together, and raise our kids together. But we haven't been in a romantic relationship for over 5 years. So, we have the family and friend element of the relationship still... but not the romantic element.

Got it. Have you not been sexually active in 5 years?

I guess my main point is; you dont need to repress sexuality to not engage in sex. As you say, its perfectly fine to having sexual urges, thoguhts without acting on thdm or repressing them. Its also perfectly normal to define healthy and unhealthy sexual expressions to me

[UnbornTao]

On 9/24/2024 at 11:27 AM, PurpleTree said:

 

That's actually from Trump's official channel... sigh.

I thought it was a silly video by a random YouTuber.

Edited September 25 by UnbornTao

[Emerald]

20 hours ago, bambi said:

I guess my main point is; you dont need to repress sexuality to not engage in sex. As you say, its perfectly fine to having sexual urges, thoguhts without acting on thdm or repressing them. Its also perfectly normal to define healthy and unhealthy sexual expressions to me

I agree with that. But that's not what I mean by repression.

Repression is where someone has all this shame about having sexual feelings and thoughts.

And I was giving an example of how that manifested in a very religious person with lots of sexual shame.