Bret Weinstein on JRE thoughts?

[PurpleTree]

I prefer to listen to him much more than his brother 

but he has some wilddd ideas

he thinks it’s basically “end times” swag and he thinks maga will be part of the alliance against tyranny 

how he has so much trust in trump is beyond me

and he trusts grifters and russian bots like russel, tucker, tulsi etc

still i think bret seem honest-ish and he would be a better president than most politicians 

he also has his points or demands or whatever in the end which seem mostly reasonable 

 

 

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

he thinks it’s basically “end times” swag and he thinks maga will be part of the alliance against tyranny 

I sense there are two predominant phenomena in play with these types. I think the second one is more relevant to Brett.

1) egotist having soft spot for Trump because he's a mirror of their own narcissism. This is a REALLY good point Leo made here:

2) A desire to fit in for various reasons.

The main reason for Bret seems to be a need for others to validate his intellect. He wants people to see the value in his knowledge and his crusade and he found some people to validate it. It just so happens, those people are MAGA and a bunch of idiots. But that's how needy he is. I suspect that if the left were to have validated his ideas, he would have adapted them for dissemination via left wing channels. 

He's a weakling. A coward. A cuck.

Some do it for fame, some for money, some for validation, some for a sense of community/ideology. It's probably usually the case these mix together to one degree or another. With Bret, I think it's predominantly seeking validation. Just my intuition though. 

Edited September 10, 2024 by Joshe

[PurpleTree]

i think there are two things that “switched” bret and made him very paranoid of tyranny and losing freedom

one the covid restrictions/policies

and the other the woke/cancel culture which he was affected by himself 

i also think both those things are and were gross and i’m glad that i live in a country which didn’t have much restrictions 

but i don’t see how you go from that to supporting trump, i guess he just views it as the lesser of two evils

Edited September 10, 2024 by PurpleTree

[What Am I]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

I sense there are two predominant phenomena in play with these types. I think the second one is more relevant to Brett.

There may be some dynamic psychological reasons at play as well, but I think he truly believes in a global conspiracy of epic proportions, and it's that belief that primarily drives his actions.

Refer back to Leo's blog post from 9/6 with James Lindsay. Bret likely subscribes to a watered-down version of the worldview presented in that video. These people really aren't fucking around or obscuring another motive when they profess these beliefs. I'm guessing those with left-leaning tendencies just haven't been exposed enough to be familiar with the concepts.

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, What Am I said:

, but I think he truly believes in a global conspiracy of epic proportions, and it's that belief that primarily drives his actions.

It’s good that he’s jewish culturally then or else he just might steer off into anti semitic territory 

[Joshe]

45 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

but i don’t see how you go from that to supporting trump, i guess he just views it as the lesser of two evils

Does this not make sense?: He gives them support, and in exchange, he gets their validation. He doesn't care about Trump or the MAGA agenda. He cares about having his ideas validated by as many people as possible. The only viable dissemination route for him is right wing/MAGA. This is why.

He did not earnestly deploy logic and rationality to arrive at his support for Trump, because that's impossible. The only way he could arrive at such a position is self-deception. He did not make an error in logic. He's smarter than that. He didn't use logic to arrive at being a Trump supporter. He used something else. What might that something else be?

 

25 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Refer back to Leo's blog post from 9/6 with James Lindsay. Bret likely subscribes to a watered-down version of the worldview presented in that video. These people really aren't fucking around or obscuring another motive when they profess these beliefs. I'm guessing those with left-leaning tendencies just haven't been exposed enough to be familiar with the concepts.

Interesting. I'll check that out. In Leo's post, he mentions a "profound example of the levels of creative self-deception". I wouldn't doubt that Bret believes in such things but the thing is, we have reasons that drive our beliefs. An adult might want people to look at their intellectual musings for the same reason a child wants everyone to look at their artwork. For a child, they just say, hey, look at my artwork. For an adult, they might say, hey, this is important goddamnit, here's why... now.. look at my musings. 

Edited September 10, 2024 by Joshe

[PurpleTree]

ironic also how many of those guys like tucker etc always talk about freedom and are so vocal against authoritarianism and tyranny but then aren’t that much against putin

[Leo Gura]

This guy is so gross.

[What Am I]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s good that he’s jewish culturally then or else he just might steer off into anti semitic territory 

The Jewish conspiracy is the more childish version of what's described in the blog post video. Plenty of goofy characters hop aboard at that level. You wouldn't find people of Weinstein and Linsday's intelligence buying into it. Not saying they're geniuses, I'm just pointing out that they're not actually dumb. The brainpower is there, even if they're missing crucial details to assist in their discernment.

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

Interesting. I'll check that out. In Leo's post, he mentions a "profound example of the levels of creative self-deception". I wouldn't doubt that Bret believes in such things but the thing is, we have reasons that drive our beliefs. An adult might want people to look at their intellectual musings for the same reason a child wants everyone to look at their artwork. For a child, they just say, hey, look at my artwork. For an adult, they might say, hey, this is important goddamnit, here's why... now.. look at my musings. 

Hmm, maybe you're right. As long as the false sense of self remains, an illusion of individual importance may drive actions in a deeper and less obvious manner.

[PurpleTree]

On 2024-09-10 at 8:18 PM, Leo Gura said:

This guy is so gross.

any deeper thoughts on his motives and thought process?

[Leo Gura]