Anti-Western Idiots

[Nemra]

@Jodistrict, you are comparing apples and oranges. Of course they are fruits, but there is a huge difference between them. Being gay isn't equal to being fat.

I'm not against any positive movements as long as they do not overly use it to deny the reality of their situation.

I didn't say if it's western it has to be good. But also, non-westerners are in the game of defending their tradition with their heads in the ground way too much.

Fine then. Take your western phones back, and do not corrupt others with your values! How comfortable a line you are drawing for yourself.

Also, being gay isn't western.

Edited September 12 by Nemra

[Nemra]

@Philipp, so from your perspective, if they are biologically the same kind then it has to be a fetish?

Why don't you consider heterosexuality a fetish?

What are the symptoms of heterosexuality?

21 minutes ago, Philipp said:

There are people who get turned on by getting shit on their face. The act per se might not be unhealthy. But you know there is something troubled in those souls. Getting shit on is not a pleasant experience. You have to be consumed by some sexual addiction, to desire this.

For you, it's unpleasant, regardless of the harms.

I think for gays, being with straight females is like getting a shit on their faces.

[Jodistrict]

47 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Jodistrict, you are comparing apples and oranges. Of course they are fruits, but there is a huge difference between them. Being gay isn't equal to being fat.

I'm not against any positive movements as long as they do not overly use it to deny the reality of their situation.

I didn't say if it's western it has to be good. But also, non-westerners are in the game of defending their tradition with their heads in the ground way too much.

Fine then. Take your western phones back, and do not corrupt others with your values! How comfortable a line you are drawing for yourself.

Also, being gay isn't western.

I used the “fat positive” analogy to illustrate the man’s argument since part of his argument was that homosexuality is damaging to the body and spreads disease.   Since you obviously disagree with his position, you would argue that the analogy doesn’t apply.

Your position seems to be that “non-westerners are in the game of defending their tradition with their heads in the ground way too much”.  That would be the position of those who believe in Western superiority and refusing to take other cultures’ arguments seriously. 

Homosexuality isn’t western, but we are talking about the beliefs around homosexuality.  And different cultures have different beliefs.

Technology no long belongs to the West.  Other cultures and civilizations are equalizing and we are moving towards a multipolar world.  The West no longer can dictate its values and expect other cultures to conform.

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

That would be the position of those who believe in Western superiority and refusing to take other cultures’ arguments seriously. 

Western people aren't always wrong.

But I have more "western values", but I don't like to label it such because it doesn't have to belong to them. But I can accept people of other values.

8 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Homosexuality isn’t western, but we are talking about the beliefs around homosexuality.  And different cultures have different beliefs.

Those beliefs not only deny, they are also harmful for homosexuals. That's the issue. When it's talked about, people consider it a western thing. Who do you think they're going to look up to?

Also, there's a difference between cultures. Western countries are way open-minded and less traditionalistic, which are things that I prefer.

20 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Technology no long belongs to the West. Other cultures and civilizations are equalizing and we are moving towards a multipolar world.  The West no longer can dictate its values and expect other cultures to conform.

Multipolar doesn't mean they won't influence each other. Don't expect that other countries want a multipolar world.

Isn't it interesting why the same technology you are referring to came from the west. Although not all of them.

[Jodistrict]

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

Western people aren't always wrong.

But I have more "western values", but I don't like to label it such because it doesn't have to belong to them. But I can accept people of other values.

Those beliefs not only deny, they are also harmful for homosexuals. That's the issue. When it's talked about, people consider it a western thing. Who do you think they're going to look up to?

Also, there's a difference between cultures. Western countries are way open-minded and less traditionalistic, which are things that I prefer.

Multipolar doesn't mean they won't influence each other. Don't expect that other countries want a multipolar world.

Isn't it interesting why the same technology you are referring to came from the west. Although not all of them.

Cultures influencing each other in a multipolar world is the way it should work.  But the historical model has been the West imposing its ideas on other cultures through violence.  It has been anything but open-minded.  Keep in mind that the United States provided and approved bombing hospitals in Gaza.  This has been empirically verified as a fundamental part of Western morality.  The other cultures will not accept the moral superiority of the West as a given.  Other cultures must be free to change and evolve by their own terms and in accordance with their own values.

[Nemra]

@Jodistrict, I don't like the moral superiority and forcing others to live like them part either. Aren't mostly the conservative ones who are that way?

Other cultures also think themselves to be morally superior. I'm not talking about being morally superior. However, the negative stuff doesn't make them less developed or equal to those cultures.

Edited September 13 by Nemra

[Jodistrict]

34 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Jodistrict, I don't like the moral superiority and forcing others to live like them part either. Aren't mostly the conservative ones who are that way?

Other cultures also think they are morally superior. I'm not talking about being morally superior. However, the negative stuff doesn't make them less developed or equal to those cultures.

I wasn’t referring to you personally.   I was talking about the West in general.   Yes, conservatives can definitely act morally superior.  But so do liberals and leftists. 

[Nemra]

Anyway, y'all don't understand how much gaslighting and BS-ing is happening about westerners. All I'm hearing from so-called intellectuals is that those westerners are in ideological decline because they don't have Christian values anymore because real values are religious and godly, as if they know what they are talking about. Some even say liberalism is dead as it has been fake in the first place. The thought process is so incredibly dull that your brain will hurt. They know nothing about westerners and are biased as hell. Fake news about them is prevalent. Conspiratorial-minded people are on Facebook, and some of them are on YouTube preaching fake stuff about Masons, esotericism, the occult, etc. It's a total shitshow.