Women do not Love men, they Love you as a provider. Do you agree?

[gettoefl]

19 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Women put the time in. So do men.

The hours I put in lifting weights, running and learning my trade. The blood sweat and tears of building my self up to be the man she wants, physically, mentally, financially, socially etc, and going through all the hoops I went through to get my life, mind and body straight. Yada Yada. No men talk about this because that's just how it is. Only when someone comes and tells me I had it easy do I bring it up.

And BTW, none of that surface-level preparation you just said is what I look for in a woman, it's the lifetime she put into being who she is. Honestly, I think you are too far into the materialism and 'image above all' of the 20's, like most people now with that answer.

Sounds cool we are all different; just be upfront with who you are what you are after

For me I respect and appreciate and desire what she brings, which is an ingredient impossible for me to bring

She will always have attention for that reason, for good reason and I not that I am an eye sore, won't and don't care to anyway

She is the asked and I am the asker

We are distinct and I am happy with it that way

I will support here to be this way as it is her gift, her nature, her pride

She is the visual package, I am the value proposition

Both of us will be happy with the exchange

[AION]

Why did you have to create the exact same title as my thread ? Now I’m confused which thread is mine when I get a notification.  

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Why did you have to create the exact same title as my thread ? Now I’m confused which thread is mine when I get a notification.  

Must be the topic du jour

Just saw the same discussion of this on reddit

Learned that when women say they want ambitious, ballsy, confident ... what this is code for is high achieving, high status, high net worth

This is because she is high maintenance, highly sought and high cheekbones/heels and wants, quite rightly, to maintain her accustomed lifestyle

Everyone wants what they feel they are worth

Know thyself first then go grab it in your counterpart based on your own deliverables

Edited September 10 by gettoefl

[blackchair]

Incel vibes with this topic, and you wonna go to mountain and meditate the whole time? Fix your problems with the opposite sex in your mind first.....

[Keryo Koffa]

18 minutes ago, blackchair said:

Incel vibes with this topic, and you wonna go to mountain and meditate the whole time? Fix your problems with the opposite sex in your mind first.....

It's funny, people lose themselves in incel vs celibate vs player vs tryhard believing in one over the other

when it's all equally useless ego-reinforcement dichotomies for a toxic coping mechanism

This video should be a requirement for joining lol

[Joshe]

Women are animals, just like you. Men want women to never leave them and to adore them no matter what, but that's not how reality works. 

If you can give a woman what she wants, she MIGHT stay with you. There are no guarantees because humans get bored and change their minds about what they want. 

If you had endless mating opportunities, you might be prone to ditching some poor girl because she's boring, but because you don't have endless opportunities, you cling to one and demand that your clinginess be reciprocated. It's a bias that you can become free of only by becoming free of the neediness and fear.

It is normal for all young men to have to learn this lesson, so don't worry too much about the negative comments. You'll figure it out.

Women are not bad. Respect them and they MIGHT stay with you. Do not be surprised if/when they leave you. Keeping them takes work. Too much work for my liking. 

Edited September 10 by Joshe

[Keryo Koffa]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Women are animals, just like you. Men want women to never leave them and to adore them no matter what, but that's not how reality works. 

If you can give a woman what she wants, she MIGHT stay with you. There are no guarantees because humans get bored and change their minds about what they want. 

If you had endless mating opportunities, you might be prone to ditching some poor girl because she's boring, but because you don't have endless opportunities, you cling to one and demand that your clinginess be reciprocated. It's a bias that you can become free of only by becoming free of the neediness. 

It is normal for all young men to have to learn this lesson.

Women are not bad. Respect them and they MIGHT stay with you. Do not be surprised if/when they leave you. Keeping them takes work. Too much work for my liking. 

Good points, the woman's pov be like:

1. I don't wanna eat the same yogurt for the rest of my life
2. The only reason I matter to you is because you're a clingy insecure lame-o I'm tasked to babysit

Edited September 10 by Keryo Koffa

[BlueOak]

That is the main message I wish I could shout from the rooftops.

That the so-called average working man, who puts a hard day's work in, and gives a damn about the woman he's with, does his best by her is so devalued (in his own mind) at the moment it's comical.

We have guys looking to Andrew tate or millionaires for how life is supposed to be, celebrities or tiktokers with fake profiles rolling in cash and free gifts, and then the average guy wonders why his head and world are upside down. Ditto the girls who are given completely backward priorities and expectations from the current age of materialism we are in. People wonder why the birthrate is down, and dating for them is a minefield.

Edited September 10 by BlueOak

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

2. The only reason I matter to you is because you're a clingy insecure lame-o I'm tasked to babysit

This does a lot to explain the sentiment that women are cold-blooded heartless bitches. 

Men feel like they give everything and are dedicated because they're just virtuous like that. 😂 

Then, the woman intuits the truth of their weakness and eventually can't bring herself to even look at it anymore, and so the man says "how can she be so cold?" 😂 😂 I remember thinking that. 

 

[Emerald]

19 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I've been through this before myself. I can say that it was eye opening to me. A lot of it comes from beliefs about love and relationships that need to mature, and it's not just for men but women too. We have these ideals about love , we commodify it, we believe we need another person in order to have value when we don't, we can take on a very narrow perspective especially when in love because we see this person as sort of the fix for our addiction. The wider implications are relationships are always changing, love is not a commodity so this person isn't actually giving us anything just mirroring back what we have created, and that lastly and most importantly we don't need another person to be whole and should be prioritizing our own path. So all of this can really contradict and create a conundrum where we have to actively prioritize what is true and what benefits us the best and most in the most honest and authentic way and often times this can come at the expense of our ideal laced relationship which was filled with all sorts of intense passionate highs from sex and travel and really all the amazing stuff that is relating to people. Many people have a natural appreciation for relating. So the life lesson of sorts is to expand and really start to see the bigger picture, which doesn't seem to ever end. I know this exact topic intimately. my 3 year relationship ended exactly over this and many of the things you wrote here were a dynamic which my ex and I struggled with. I have heard her side quite well and have explored mine also so to me I feel very comfortable with my understanding on this. Basically I see this as an opportunity to approach love and relationships from a different angle and drop a lot of the ideals often times placed on them. I'm not sure the next time I will have a girlfriend. I definitely know I don't want one that prioritizes me as an ATM. 

Well said.

Now certainly, it's important to not be seen only as a provider of funds. The love and mutual connection element has to be there. 

And there really are people who want to take advantage that exist out there, like gold diggers.

It's more of a matter of taking into consideration practical things like a potential partner's work ethic and level of financial stability, as these factors will determine how much peace of mind you'll have and how sustainable the relationship will be.

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

It's funny, people lose themselves in incel vs celibate vs player vs tryhard believing in one over the other

when it's all equally useless ego-reinforcement dichotomies for a toxic coping mechanism

This video should be a requirement for joining lol

I ALWAYS think about this SPECIFIC video that I watched nearly a decade ago when I think about Red Pill guys and PUA guys.

They're really just Incel guys that solves the 'fake growth' problem. But they haven't addressed the real issue.

[Javfly33]

@blackchair LOL. Is funny you say that with that avatar profile picture. 

🤣 Bro pls. 

[Keryo Koffa]

On 9/10/2024 at 10:36 PM, blackchair said:

Incel vibes with this topic, and you wonna go to mountain and meditate the whole time?
Fix your problems with the opposite sex in your mind first.....

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@blackchair LOL. Is funny you say that with that avatar profile picture. 🤣 Bro pls. 

 

Now fight! Or kiss, I don't care 😁

Edited September 11 by Keryo Koffa

[Javfly33]

28 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

 

Now fight! Or kiss, I don't care 😁

Actually i´m thankful for people like him because at this point i see so clearly that the hate is never about me, I´m just sharing whats on my mind lately in regards to sex and women, a forum is about open discussions, if you enter to insult me out of the blue and try to ridicule me just because how i think touches some emotions in you is not my problem. 

And the guy has the audacity to tell me to fix my problems lmao. How about first respecting other people's ideas and thoughts? You are a joke. And then to call me incel WHILE he has that profile pic just makes me want to laugh. @blackchair Sorry, can´t hear your reply, your mom says you can go upstairs dinner is ready bro 🤣

Edited September 11 by Javfly33

[Keryo Koffa]

26 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

1. The guy has the audacity to tell me to fix my problems lmao.
2. How about first respecting other people's ideas and thoughts? You are a joke.
3. And then with that profile pic just makes me want to laugh.
4. Sorry, can´t hear your reply, your mom says you can go upstairs dinner is ready. 

1x2x3x4xWOMBO-COMBO
Now it's @blackchair's Turn!

Reminds me of this thread:

On 8/15/2024 at 11:49 AM, Keryo Koffa said:

If anyone wonders what the Beef is about, here's the summary (Pages 7-9) [bambi vs TheUnknown]

  I'd break the conditioning in a heartbeat if I could.

 You're denying your biology. Sex is a divine feature.

  Never denied sex, you're too dumb for the Internet

  You're a stupidity-obsessed eco-chamber hypocrite

  Returned from my "calling people stupid" ban. That dude is a $#@! 1x2x3x4x5xWOMBO-COMBO narcissist

[RendHeaven]

44 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

I´m just sharing whats on my mind lately in regards to sex and women, a forum is about open discussions

Defense mechanism. You're not merely "sharing" - you're openly complaining and seeking solidarity.

But you don't want to admit your true motives so it's easier to pretend you're gracing us all with your intellectual gifts (that's more flattering to your sense of self as well).

48 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

if you enter to insult me out of the blue and try to ridicule me just because how i think touches some emotions in you is not my problem. 

I see no insults. "incel vibes" is observationally accurate. For you to interpret an insult is telling. Seems to me like you are the emotional one here.

49 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

How about first respecting other people's ideas and thoughts?

You haven't earned respect, and nobody owes you anything.

50 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

And then to call me incel WHILE he has that profile pic just makes me want to laugh

At least he shows his face online. What about you?

[Javfly33]

15 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Defense mechanism. You're not merely "sharing" - you're openly complaining and seeking solidarity.

But you don't want to admit your true motives so it's easier to pretend you're gracing us all with your intellectual gifts (that's more flattering to your sense of self as well).

I see no insults. "incel vibes" is observationally accurate. For you to interpret an insult is telling. Seems to me like you are the emotional one here.

You haven't earned respect, and nobody owes you anything.

At least he shows his face online. What about you?

Oh! Another one of 'those'. Sure, I´ll deal with you.

Wait...hold on...I´m loading my Golden AK-47 with Truth Bullets of Caliber 50 towards the false-light ghosts of darkness such as yourself...

Done. Here we go:

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Defense mechanism. You're not merely "sharing" - you're openly complaining and seeking solidarity.

Nope. Read the title. Notice i finish the sentence of the title with "Do you agree"?

Also ALL of my topics in this subforum are always about a certain 'pain' or blockage i have in my thinking and the ultimate goal for me when opening is getting information from others that can help me trascend or dissolve this pain/toxic belief thinking.

By you guys judging my thinking (in other words, judging it as a bad instead of trying to understand why the person thinks like this- for example being raised in a toxic family, etc...), you do not help at all.

If you guy could ever help in the first place, anyway. That seeing how you guys react clearly you are not at a point of helping  Is clear to me now. 

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But you don't want to admit your true motives so it's easier to pretend you're gracing us all with your intellectual gifts (that's more flattering to your sense of self as well).

You have to be tripping here. What are those 'true motives'?? Uh? 🤣 

I literally have no idea what you mean dude. lol.

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I see no insults. "incel vibes" is observationally accurate. For you to interpret an insult is telling. Seems to me like you are the emotional one here.

Hehehe. So by now you saying 'observationally accurate' you already do it again.

Go ahead. Insult, try to crush me, try to ridicule me and shame me. You only make me more strong.

The more authentic i am, the more hate I get. 

Thats why the ghosts of darkness are scared of those ones which are authentic (Truth).

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Seems to me like you are the emotional one here.

Not at all. You could not hurt me even if you try. Not you or 1000 weak scared souls like you.

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You haven't earned respect, and nobody owes you anything

For the one that does not naturally respect every being regardless of how it is, thinks that respect has to be earned.

Hahaha... you keep revealing your darkness even more, with each line.

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At least he shows his face online. What about you?

I have showed them in the past @Keryo Koffa can confirm because he did a meme out of it. 

Edited September 12 by Javfly33

[Javfly33]

@Keryo Koffa Seems I just got myself in another beef 😁

[RendHeaven]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Not at all. You could not hurt me even if you try. Not you or 1000 weak scared souls like you.

Dude nobody's trying to hurt you lmao.

[Keryo Koffa]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Keryo Koffa Seems I just got myself in another beef 😁

"Scott Pilgrim Javfly33 vs. the World" it is!