Women are my only and only distraction from Enlightment

[Davino]

29 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

If you find a highly conscious partner you can flow with them. In fact a woman can lead her man to high consciousness and spirituality. It does not always have to be the other way around. 

Of course 

My women helps me a lot to grow personally, exposes my blind spots as well as offering me a lot of grounding in my Spiritual process.

She's also very gifted spiritually although she has other needs right now to attend in her life. 

I'm gonna share how I found my sweet spot regarding Awakening and my romantic relationship.

In the beginning it was quite a gap difference, as she had no experience or points of reference. We did some psychedelic trips together and to my surprise, she had profound Awakenings and mystical experiences. Now she has a point of reference and knows how radical this stuff can be. She decides that in the future she will explore Awakening but right now she wants to focus on other parts of her life.

In this way I am understood and find support from her in my path while she had epic insights and Awakenings into the nature of Consciousness and the Universe.

It's very rare you'll find someone devoted to Truth like you but your partner needs to have some points of reference of what you're doing. Otherwise it's gonna be real rough, plenty of misunderstandings and lack of connection.

So no need to get a hot witch girlfriend but a mature woman/man that is willing to have some Awakenings because (s)he loves you and is curious about your most profound life passion.

[Terell Kirby]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Which is why the most spiritual people are monks who live in caves.

Key words the most. (credit for nuance)

It helps me to look at spirituality and survival separate ingredients in a soup mix, we get to choose the amount of each, and it is contingent on our particular taste/preferences/goals (these change with time). We can have both at varying degrees, but it's difficult to strike the right balance.

Monks who want the most out of spirituality live in caves simply because they want the most out of spirituality. Doesn't mean we should want what monks want, or if that's even right for us. 

Edited September 8 by Terell Kirby

[Someone here]

12 hours ago, Salvijus said:

😂 Living up to Ramana maharishi picture I see. 

Its Robert Adams .

[Javfly33]

Thanks all for the replies, I have picked up a lot of useful information and a very clear insight for me has arrived:

Since last summer i wasn´t able to go deep into the consciousness completely and let go of attachments, I´m going to get entangled in the creation fully and deeply for 10 years more or so.

Since the intelligence or consciousness still thinks this 'game' is worth getting lost in, lets give it another round, so next spiritual time comes, probably there will be much more decision to completely trascend and not look back. 

[Javfly33]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What I meant is that ultimately, infinity is absolutely empty in the sense that it's impossible that god wants anything, like being an individual, or hidden anything. Could happen relatively, in a given moment in the infinity, but in the whole infinity no, there is no intention, no real change, no movement, just because it's infinite. Then, any perception that we could have, even it seems very true, is just relative,  not false but not absolute. The absolute is just total, is the essence, only the essence is real, and it's nothing that can be defined, just totality, existence.

yeap. All this stories of medicine journey teachings are nothing more than high consciousness fantasies of a mind in an expanded state. Is not that they are not true but they are within the relative construction. You can construct that or you can construct a movie or a building. Is just construction.

Absolute wise they have no reality and the pull of death and physical body is gone lets see if ahayuasca mother holds you in your heart. Ayahuasca or spirits are part of the dream, is not absolute and is not trascendence but entanglement. 

Spirituality is removing the fantasies until nothing is left but the empty space. Hallelujah, the mind and his obssession to construct is gone.

@Emerald spirituality is precisely about trascending subjetive experiences and reaching absolute perception. 

10 hours ago, Forestluv said:

@Javfly33  So I started with a relationship with someone with LOTS of chemistry. . .There were aspects of beauty, connection and magic that were so satisfying. Yet there was devolving back into ordinary things - dualities, ego, right and wrong, petty personality conflicts etc. After about a year we broke up and then I was able to see how much was lost since my Peru trip. It was as if I was exposed to Enlightenment and then got De-Enlightened and it sucked. 

After that, I dated very rarely because I could quickly see the price I would need to pay. What's frustrating is that the "two worlds" overlap. There are flashes of "Enlightment' within the relationship. Sometimes really profound - and that gives me hope. Yet it's never enough to overcome the whirlpool that pulls me back into the ordinary world of personalities, egos and petty crap. I haven't dated anyone for years. At times I really miss aspects of it.

 

yeah, that makes sense and matches my experience. Probably one can not choose both at the same time. 

 

Edited September 9 by Javfly33

[theleelajoker]

10 hours ago, Lyubov said:

It’s that way for him because he believes it’s that way and doesn’t realize how unfathomably deep the spiritual lessons go when it comes to relationships and mundane sober living. With that mindset the Tao will not bless him with these lessons BUT every path is different so it’s a matter of personal preference if you want to explore this aspect of life or go in a different direction.

Many “seekers” I’ve spoken to are some of the most childish people you will meet and are hopeless when it comes to relating. I prefer spirituality with legs. Not state chasing. I’ve learned more from life and about spirituality from the dysfunctional relationship with my ex more than any ayahuasca ceremonies I’ve done. 

But I wouldn’t say my path is better or more enlightened than anyone else’s. I don’t believe there is a tier list or even a way to compare paths.

But anyone who thinks relationships are just some novel aspect of life without deeper spiritual lesson to them is kidding themself, and if you believe that and believe this is absolutely true about relationships, then definitely don’t bother with them cause you’re wasting your time. 

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Forestluv That is because relationships are about survival, and spirituality is not.

 

@LyubovI agree and can relate with your points.

For me, both the functional but also my dysfunctional relationships have been incredible re growth. I would even go as far to say that IMO you cannot reach certain levels without relationships. Thinking of purusharta, you first go for a family and then you go into a cave.

What bothers me is that some personal believe systems and attitudes are generalized  are presented as "true". I believe this to be reckless and irresponsible as it causes a cascade of thoughts and actions that are not constructive or healthy for people's life. 

[Javfly33]

@Someone here Sex is overrated depending on what kind of sex you have. I´ve had meaningless lifeless boring sex. Then yeah only cumming is the good part.

But when you fuck the shit out of a 9-10 on 5 positions for 1 hour then you'll know what sex is. Have you done that? Have a 10 gagged on your dick? 

When your masculine center is at pure fire with another femenine also on fire then the process of sex is even greater than cumming. 

 

Edited September 9 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Spirituality is removing the fantasies until nothing is left but the empty space. Hallelujah, the mind and his obssession to construct is gone.

Yes, it's absolutely simple, but the human mind hates it.The human mind is a construction within a finite cycle, nothing is more alien to it than the infinite. it needs an idea of purpose, a starting point and a destination, a movement in one direction. Absolute reality is nothing like that, in infinity there is no real movement, any movement is only apparent, so if you want to open yourself to the absolute you have to leave movement.

the human mind says: wtf?? This is fucking shit, malfunction, I need to grab something, be someone, have a goal. Well, all that is relative, that is, ultimately an illusion. There is no real movement, since movement is by definition relative. one thing moves relative to another. At infinity, point x and point y don't matter, you can advance whatever you want, which is an imaginary advance, there is no advance, no movement, nothing.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

@Someone here Sex is overrated depending on what kind of sex you have. I´ve had meaningless lifeless boring sex. Then yeah only cumming is the good part.

But when you fuck the shit out of a 9-10 on 5 positions for 1 hour then you'll know what sex is. Have you done that? Have a 10 gagged on your dick? 

When your masculine center is at pure fire with another femenine also on fire then the process of sex is even greater than cumming. 

 

I only had sex a handful of times . Nothing too fancy . Just doggystyle. No blowjob because my ex said it's disgusting to give me head . I don't think talking about this is important. 

My point is still upfront even if you have sex with Kate Upton ..still it's not worth the fuzz..as soon as you cum you feel disillusioned..why is that? 

[AION]

I don’t get this thread. 
 

Relationships and especially sex can be used as a vehicle for spirituality and enlightenment. 

Basically all major religions are based around sex. And very effective methods are created like sexual transmutation. 

If I have to name 1 thing that transformed me the most is my gf and break up with her this years. 

Relationships and sex can only be a prison if you are addicted to it and enslaved to it; i.e when you make sex and girls your false god. I’m not above it though. Transcending your instincts are very hard. Perhaps it should be done on a later stage. 

[Javfly33]

44 minutes ago, AION said:

I don’t get this thread. 
 

Relationships and especially sex can be used as a vehicle for spirituality and enlightenment. 

@AION It can be used but is not realistic:

 

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Basically all major religions are based around sex.

@AION LOL. About denying and making sex shameful you mean.

 

@Lyubov

 Maybe, or maybe not. Let´s leave it that there are ways to pursue things in an entangled way which gets you further from liberation or in a conscious way where it leads you closer to liberation. Probably relating to women, as long as I plan it in a healthier more conscious way, would be a step up on my journey. 

Edited September 9 by Javfly33

[CARDOZZO]

You will want to do sex after enlightenment experiences. It does not matter at all. 

Accept your biology.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

fuzz..as soon as you cum you feel disillusioned..why is that?

Super common when you don't know yourself enough in the sex facet. 

It means that the sex you were having was not fluid, you were not totally open, there was no real connection (the connection can happen with a woman with whom you have not even said hello), you did not feel totally yourself, so all that shit is camouflaged for the fact that you are horny, as if you were drugged, and the moment you cum, the drug disappears in a second, and the sad naked reality is left, and you just want to disappear. 

 

[Javfly33]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

you did not feel totally yourself, so all that shit is camouflaged for the fact that you are horny, as if you were drugged, and the moment you cum, the drug disappears in a second, and the sad naked reality is left, and you just want to disappear. 

 

Yeap, great analogy.

How we have normalized feeling bad after sex is crazy lol. One is supposed to feel elevated after it, not down. 

 

Edited September 9 by Javfly33

[AION]

42 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@AION It can be used but is not realistic:

 

@AION LOL. About denying and making sex shameful you mean.

 

@Lyubov

 Maybe, or maybe not. Let´s leave it that there are ways to pursue things in an entangled way which gets you further from liberation or in a conscious way where it leads you closer to liberation. Probably relating to women, as long as I plan it in a healthier more conscious way, would be a step up on my journey. 

There is a difference between religion and people. 
 

Most people don’t understand their own scripture. So how can they understand god, sex and relationships?

Sex is not something to be shamed upon. But there is a certain ethic to it. If you misuse it you will pay for it.  Good sex is transcendental and transformative. Bad sex is boring and will bog you down in hedonism and apathy. 

[AION]

16 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeap, great analogy.

How we have normalized feeling bad after sex is crazy lol. One is supposed to feel elevated after it, not down. 

 

Well that is your body telling you something. Wink wink. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Good sex is transcendental and transformative. Bad sex is boring and will bog you down in hedonism and apathy

Good sex is positive, bad sex is negative. The problem is that you have a dick, then you have to do sex , good or bad. We are slaves of sex, and women aren't. They are slaves of be loved, very different. It's a joke of god, the son of a bitch. The evolution game, no mercy for the looser.  The solution, stop fucking and learn to make love, even when it's just one 

Edited September 9 by Breakingthewall

[Brittany]

23 hours ago, Salvijus said:

I would imagine for a guy like that. Girlfriend is just another friend. 

Sex drive/romance can all exist from that state. 

It's just you will have more power over the narrative.

You will see the dream.....as just a dream.

It's like being able to jump into any book.... experience the vivid story.......but never get lost in it.

You jump out of the book and close the book when the day is done.

On 9/8/2024 at 8:44 AM, Keryo Koffa said:

@Brittany It's funny: People's "romanticized" views on "love" are basically, to put it crudely:

Outsourcing personal emotional labor to others by turning them into lifelong slaves

Just to manipulate them into serving as one's breathing tube because one is too lazy

I agree. A lot of what we call romantic love is people outsourcing their healing work to others.

I don't think it's "wrong"...... dependency isn't "wrong"........it's just lazy. haha

 

22 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

And where does monogamy fit into this? I would say more in the neurotic section

There is a difference between monogamy of mind and monogamy of body.

I don't know if there are official terms for them? haha But that's what I will call them for the sake of this discussion.

Monogamy of mind aka "I only love you and I don't love anyone else." in many ways, falls away with enlightenment.

Even if someone is married to someone else or even if someone hates you........ they are still one with you, they are still united with you, connected with you, part of you, share the same being as you, etc. 

There is no such thing as "being united" or "being connected" or "joining" or "becoming one" with someone.......we are that ALREADY, with everyone.

We are ALREADY united and connected and one.

There is no joining to happen.

Many times passionate declarations of love and love confessions make it sound like you are FINALLY becoming united/connected/one…..but we ALREADY ALWAYS were connected and one.

You aren’t adding anything or anyone to yourself. Everyone is already part of you, regardless of if they are single, dating or married to someone else

So yeah, monogamy of mind......this whole "I only love you. But I hate/dislike/don't care about everyone else"

or "I love my husband but TO HELL with everyone else" ...that falls away.

Lovers in crime. Us against the world. I love you and nobody else. or whatever. haha All of this falls away.

These mindsets can't survive after ego death. In ego death, the whole world joins in your union with your partner.

Because you and your partner are united with the rest of the world. 

But monogamy of body.....like who you have sex with? No. That doesn't fall away. haha

That is a conscious choice/commitment/decision you have to make.

Many people choose monogamy of body (aka having sex with only 1 person) even after realization.

[gettoefl]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Forestluv That is because relationships are about survival, and spirituality is not. The more you intermingle survival into your spirituality the more corrupt it will get. Which is why the most spiritual people are monks who live in caves.

I would say

Spirituality is knowing life is a dream with death impossible then living out of this knowing

Survival is prolonging my longevity and maximising my pleasure 

And sure you could have you cake and eat it too too

Edited September 9 by gettoefl

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeap, great analogy.

How we have normalized feeling bad after sex is crazy lol. One is supposed to feel elevated after it, not down. 

 

Ego won one more time, tricking us and drugging us into spilling the seeds of life

We lied to ourselves and not just our partner

Namely sorry but we were never an ego holing up in a body

all protestations and appearances to the contrary notwithstanding

 

Edited September 9 by gettoefl