Women are my only and only distraction from Enlightment

[Keryo Koffa]

@Forestluv A reality prior to emerging self-aware overlays or the omnipotential transcendent? Isn't it tautologically equivalent?

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

That's an aspect I'm very familiar with. . . I tried to introduce another aspect which is difficult to articulate with language because any combination of words I use is interpreted in a way which excludes other ways.

I'm not disagreeing with the idea above. It is That within That. I'm trying to articulate there is a 'space prior' to the initial points created and that the mind uses points as grounding. Yet what I'm referring to would be incorrect within the space quoted. Someone would be correct to write: "No, no Forest . . . that is not what Breakingthewall is saying". . . This is why it's incredibly difficult for me to convey to some spaces. I don't have the ability to articulate multiple forms of rendering simultaneously. This is part of the human limitation hardship I live with, mentioned in an earlier post.

For me it's simple, there is no meaning. It's quite difficult to be without meaning, the human mind is meaning. Without meaning there is no time, the time is a creation of the human mind made of meaning. Change is meaning, change without meaning is unchanged, because it's always the same, for all the eternity, even it apparently changes.

One feels like an orphan without meaning, so alone. Without meaning, the others doesn't exist, the others are meaning. Without meaning, the infinity opens, and you are absolutely free, but you can't grab the fuckin meaning, even it's so tempting, so cozy, so serious and solemn, like a mythical warrior, as severe as a monk, so important, so great, so necessary to follow a path. There is no path, there is no objective, there is no destination, everything is illusory. there is only beauty, and the beauty is simple, it's just empty existence. Everything else is just a game, nothing important, but let's play. 

[Forestluv]

13 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Forestluv A reality prior to emerging self-aware overlays or the omnipotential transcendent? Isn't it tautologically equivalent?

That is a super interesting area to explore, yet very far from how my mind works. The question above has a destination. To reach that destination we would need to create limitations that exclude other possibilities. Doing so cages my mind.

If we were to have a discussion of the above, I would want to explore various forms of emergence, self-awareness, omnipotential, transcendence and equivalencies. I would want to inter-relate all these different forms in different ways. Constantly creating and uncreating - like building many forms of a sandcastle that is continuously unformed by the ocean waves. Yet this drives most people crazy because it lacks structure and progress toward a final answer. 

In the context of the OP, there is a space of 'Enlightenment' and a space of 'Relationship with women'. There is desire for both, yet both cannot be experienced simultaneously. I know what that is like - it can be excruciating.  We could recontextualize what 'Enlightenment' and "Relationship with women' mean such that they can co-exist - yet that changes the original meanings and might not be aligned with the underlying desire. 

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For me it's simple, there is no meaning. It's quite difficult to be without meaning, the human mind is meaning. Without meaning there is no time, the time is a creation of the human mind made of meaning. Change is meaning, change without meaning is unchanged, because it's always the same, for all the eternity, even it apparently changes.

One feels like an orphan without meaning, so alone. Without meaning, the others doesn't exist, the others are meaning. Without meaning, the infinity opens, and you are absolutely free, but you can't grab the fuckin meaning, even it's so tempting, so cozy, so serious and solemn, like a mythical warrior, as severe as a monk, so important, so great, so necessary to follow a path. There is no path, there is no objective, there is no destination, everything is illusory. there is only beauty, and the beauty is simple, it's just empty existence. Everything else is just a game, nothing important, but let's play. 

That is some beautiful writing. Thanks for sharing it.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

You should see the woman I saw just walking down the street

Yeah, that's the only meaning. Existence exist. hallelujah

Edited September 8 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Clarence said:

I hope I'm wrong, but so far, I've not even met a single person around me who even knew about Actualized.org or 5-MeO-DMT. So I have very little hope to meet such a person some day. They would, on top of that, need to be a good match on a relationship level to be relevant.

You don't need to find a girl who knows Actualized.org. You just need to find a girl who roughly aligns with your values and then you as the man will guide her into watching Actualized.org or whatever else is important to you. You lead and teach her what is important.

Edited September 8 by Leo Gura

[Javfly33]

21 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

In the context of the OP, there is a space of 'Enlightenment' and a space of 'Relationship with women'. There is desire for both, yet both cannot be experienced simultaneously. I know what that is like - it can be excruciating.

thanks bro, you understand what im going through 😂

@Forestluv Here´s a plot twist: What if my challenges with relating with women are very related with my disconnection to God/Truth/Oneness?

Which is why the last 2 years i went pretty hard into spirituality, i suspected if i could erase more dualities on my mind, relationship with women would get easier.

In the same way if i do a line of coke, mdma, an oxy, etc... i instantly 'trascend' the usual blockage i have with women...and why do i trascend it? Because via chemical help the usual dualities in my mind are desactivated. 

So my point when starting spiritual work was not only absolute enlighment for truth's sakes but also ripping off benefits such as trascending certain blocks of the ego...but clearly it hasn´t worked. Probably because enlighment hasn´t really happened neither. 

 

PD: Which is why im so opposed to that whole motto about "awakening is different to material pursues". Awakening is supposed to enhance your mind and make you trascend your limiting blockages. That´s what supposed to happen when you do not operate from your ego. 

Edited September 8 by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

or whatever else is important to you. You lead and teach her what is important.

Wtf. So iow, i'm the man, you come with me, what's important to me is what matters, otherwise....fuck off. Now I see why some men go to Thailand to find a mail order bride. Or love these Asian women. Come submit to me and follow me and what's important to me. You're not serious. That's not what leadership in a man/woman relationship is. What you're talking about is submission. 

 

 

 

[Emerald]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Emerald Much wisdom has grown in You. Like a tree bearing ripe fruit.

Thank you!

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Wtf. So low,

Oh please.

Women are looking for leadership.

I said nothing about submission, that is your own interpretation.

Edited September 8 by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

Let's say (sorry for the monologue) that meaning is a linear dimension, or better, seems a linear dimension but it's a circular dimension, because the cycle. Without change meaning is impossible because it needs a starting point and a destination, therefore it is limited. The cyclical structure of our existence causes the mind to create time and meaning, and cycles are inevitable.  Reality creates forms because it cannot be static since it is not limited, and not being static is flow and that in an infinite paradigm is equivalent to a cycle. So everything is cycles within cycles, which, being infinite, do not go anywhere. an inevitable infinite dance, which borders on existential horror, but avoids it because the absence of limits places you outside of any judgment.

It is a delicate maneuver to shift from the point of view of the temporal cycle with meaning and trajectory to what lies behind the cycle, to bottomless existence, to the infinite space where the cycle occurs, the existence. the cycle goes into the background and completely loses its meaning. It loses its density and becomes empty. So you are free, but what about that? If you have a toy in your hands, you are not going to waste it without using its possibilities. 

Edited September 8 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Oh please.

Women are looking for leadership.

Yes, but what you described isn't leadership (at least the way you put it). "What's important to you and you lead and teach her what's important" sounds a bit self-centered to me.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, but what you described isn't leadership (at least the way you put it). "What's important to you and you lead and teach her what's important" sounds a bit self-centered to me.

That's how leadership works. A leader has certain values towards which others are lead. And we already said the girl has similar values.

You make it sound like I told him to Clockwork-Orange a girl into watching Actualized.org videos.

Edited September 8 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

And we already said the girl has similar values.

Ok, i guess i was reacting to the "what's important to you part", which seemed to exclude her and what's important to her, but in this context and without generalizing and going into other aspects, the point outlined above does make a difference providing the male makes for a good leader.

[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You make it sound like I told him to Clockwork-Orange a girl into watching Actualized.org videos.

I tried that on some men and they watched a little bit, got scared, and told me to turn that shit off.  Another one loved you but he could take but so much till the coffee table started moving and he had enough. This was a couple years back, now I just listen to jazz music to entertain and give them a lap dance. Lol

Edited September 8 by Princess Arabia

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

i was reacting to the "what's important to you part",

It needs to be important to her too. But it might take time for her to appreciate its importance. Hence the leading part.

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I tried that on some men and they watched a little bit, got scared, and told me to turn that shit off. 

"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It needs to be important to her too. But it might take time for her to appreciate its importance. Hence the leading part.

Ok

[Emerald]

10 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Emerald I've read through and deeply appreciate your answers, they're rare insights on this forum.

Some think we have a "100% self-dissolution solipsist expansion policy" and dismiss all else as delusion.

And any outliers, including puporing, get the backlash's broadside, esp. from those who struggle to transcend.

I'm fairly interested to hear more about the dynamics of the contraction polarity, and how it mixes with expansion. 

Thank you! 

The way that I would say it is that it's a little bit like the parable of The Diamond Net of Indra.

In the parable, the God Indra hangs an infinite net in the sky that stretches in infinite directions. And at each of the vortices of the net, there is a jewel.

And there are infinite jewels in the net. But each jewel reflects all the other jewels in the net.

And from a certain perspective, there is just one jewel that contains and reflects all the other jewels in the net.

So, the expansion path is one where you recognize yourself as the one jewel that contains and reflects all other jewels. These are experiences that I've had of God realization in my medicine journeys... and I can also operate through this assumption in my contemplations as well.

But the contraction path is one where you forget that you are the one jewel and you become one jewel out of many in the net. This is also the consensus perspective.

And in surrendering totally to being one jewel out of many, it removes the existential pressure of the expectation of perfection and you can embrace the beauty of the imperfections. And you get to live the story and really immerse yourself in it and forget that you're in a story. And this makes the story more meaningful.

But having had the contrasting experiences of the Truth, the illusion becomes much sweeter and more profound. And there is an expansion in enrichment and joy. 

It's a little bit like the saying that goes something like, "First there are mountains and rivers and trees. Then, there are no mountains and rivers and trees. The, there are mountains and rivers and trees again."

It is the contrast of the emptiness of meaning that enables you to find what's meaning to you.

And you can also find the infinite couched within the finite. For example, a couple months ago, my family and I went into a cafe. And my daughter was talking to me about something, and in that moment, there was this palpable feeling that that moment was everything happening in the universe. It's hard to explain.

But it's like the infinite shines through in finite forms and you can feel how much everything matters.

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Yes! I also can’t relate to the dismissive approach to the illusion and the finite.  

If both dualities are one, then both are valued and even complementary. The existence as a human or in a finite form is not a God’s mistake.

The expansion and the awakening is incredibly important and doing it to some extent aids in living the illusion and the finite existence with more awareness, consciously, with more wisdom, joy, passion, and appreciation of life and beauty. The frame of the ego/illusion/story allow God to live through us and express itself through us, this is the reason we have been created by God in the first place.

We can’t really get rid of the illusion (at least without loosing sanity). We only can choose whether living it consciously or not. The difference is huge. 

The never ending expansion for the sake of expansion, while abandoning the earthly aspects of life, my life as a human, as an individual, and as an ego, feels not only unnecessary but impossible in human form, at some point one faces their limits and have to surrender.

The ultimate spiritual path, as I see it, is the balance between Yin and Yang.

If one values both and gives them the respect they deserve when they’re calling, this is perfect in my view. This is what I understand that you have done from your post.

There is a Hindu God who is both Yin and Yang, symbolizing the value of integrating both of the dualities and being ONE.

 

 

Very well said!