Women are my only and only distraction from Enlightment

[Atb210201]

Nothing can limit you from your enlightenment only you can limit yourself from that no other outer factor

[Leo Gura]

The simple solution is to focus on one or the other, not both at once.

There's a time in life to socialize and screw, and there's a time to sit in a cave and meditate.

Edited September 7 by Leo Gura

[bambi]

Chasing women and lust is definately antithetical to enlightenment.

But being in a committed relationship isnt the same thing is it lol

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not just men, but men's sex drive is way beyond what women can imagine or understand.

Which is why women get upset at men for treating them as sexual objects.

If women had the sex drive of men you would treat men like sexual objects too. Women undereatimate man's sex drive because they judge it using their own.

Men need that higher sex drive in order to do the work it takes to hunt for women.

A highly suspect claim.

The reason I made that claim is because of my work. Whether one wants to use that as legitimate source is highly debatable, but I've been doing this work for quite some time and I'm not seeing too many single men and I'm not getting many requests for sexual intercourse. Most don't even ask for that. They want to do other things because, and this is my guess, they're getting that at home. If they were craving that as much, it would be the #1 request. It's not. Single men on the other hand, especially the younger ones, well that's a different story. 

Don't be so quick to think you know so much about men and their sexual behaviors, I know from first-hand experience because it's what I've been exposed to for quite some time. The only reason I'm able to do what I do for so long is precisely for this reason, because i wouldn't have been able to handle it otherwise. Most of these men aren't interested in intercourse, I'm not talking about street stuff, but regular blue collar/white collar men. They are sexual but they crave the feminine aura more than they do the actual act of sex after they've gotten that out their system. When I have couples, it's the woman who tends to be more horny than the man and who takes charge of the situation. Maybe the male doesn't want to come off as too eager and put himself in trouble, but that doesn't exclude the fact that the female is the one initiating it. Lots of women are horny sex maniacs, they just know how to not show it as much publicly for obvious reasons. When I say feminine aura and not craving sex as much , they do want other "normal" stuff but intercourse perse isn't the top priority. 

[Javfly33]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The simple solution is to focus on one or the other, not both at once.

that makes sense, "to reach a destination, don´t change directions" they say.

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem with relationships is that they are limiting because they are almost always going to be with someone who is limited, and that someone wants you to be limited. So in your life, in your reality, there is a limiting factor that reduces your sovereignty, and this is incompatible, or an hindrance ,with spiritual awakening. If you have a partner who is not limited or limits you at all, then there is no problem

if they even exist, because lots of people get into relationships because they feel limited 

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

If you don't think sex distracts men from awakening you are living in crazytown.

I read about a European monk who was born and lived 80 years in a monastary and never once in his life saw a woman.

Meanwhile we got dudes jerking off to AI porn every 45 minutes.

Anything that anchors you to your human life and Earthly form prevents you from enlightenment. These things that anchor you deeper into the story. Attachment to anything of the material realm can hold you here and in resistance to the death. 

But my question is... does the OP actually want awakening? Is that actually part of his story here that he moves towards from a place of genuinely wanting that?

Or is he just in resistance to life... and wants to use seeking enlightenment as an excuse to run away from himself by spiritually bypassing his pain?

Likewise, I could ask the same of everyone on this forum who seeks enlightenment. My estimate is that very few who seek it really truly want it. When I was given the option, I realized that I didn't want it as I preferred to maintain the illusions of the finite and the separate for the wealth of human experiences that I can have.

One thing that God showed me in one of my medicine journeys is that God likes to play different kinds of games with itself as a means of managing the infinite mercy and suffering it must experience.

And it plays mercy and suffering games with itself to maximize its own mercy whilst still holding space for suffering and never negating it. And this enables it to handle its infinite existence because the games it builds in are like levers of release.

And one of the games is to spit the parts of itself that are overwhelmed by the infinite into finite contracted forms. And those finite contracted parts experience a limited amount of suffering and mercy. And it is within these limitations of the finite story where meaning and beauty are born.

And it showed me that monks play this really difficult game of dispossessing themselves of their human forms and transcending life to experience the mercy from contraction and illusion, but that this is an uncommon game to play that is pretty much reserved for monk-types because most that are incarnated here don't prefer this path... even if they believe they do.

And that makes sense... in the majority of cases, why would God choose to incarnate here in the first place just to have its avatar wake up to the illusion it has spun? 

But it showed me that he and I are playing a different kind of game than the monks that's, where it creates a reality for me and I receive all the positives and negatives of that reality as a gift.

It's encouraged me to think of myself like a Paris Hilton type getting spoiled by her rich daddy.

In Tantra (which means expansion/contraction), it has shown me that my path is one of contraction.

And I just don't get the sense that the OP would be seeking awakening from a place of a genuine desire to transcend the Earthly... but moreso that he is motivated by a resistance to the Earthly that would be best to stop running away form.

[bambi]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Anything that anchors you to your human life and Earthly form prevents you from enlightenment. These things that anchor you deeper into the story. Attachment to anything of the material realm can hold you here and in resistance to the death. 

But my question is... does the OP actually want awakening? Is that actually part of his story here that he moves towards from a place of genuinely wanting that?

Or is he just in resistance to life... and wants to use seeking enlightenment as an excuse to run away from himself by spiritually bypassing his pain?

Likewise, I could ask the same of everyone on this forum who seeks enlightenment. My estimate is that very few who seek it really truly want it. When I was given the option, I realized that I didn't want it as I preferred to maintain the illusions of the finite and the separate for the wealth of human experiences that I can have.

One thing that God showed me in one of my medicine journeys is that God likes to play different kinds of games with itself as a means of managing the infinite mercy and suffering it must experience.

And it plays mercy and suffering games with itself to maximize its own mercy whilst still holding space for suffering and never negating it. And this enables it to handle its infinite existence because the games it builds in are like levers of release.

And one of the games is to spit the parts of itself that are overwhelmed by the infinite into finite contracted forms. And those finite contracted parts experience a limited amount of suffering and mercy. And it is within these limitations of the finite story where meaning and beauty are born.

And it showed me that monks play this really difficult game of dispossessing themselves of their human forms and transcending life to experience the mercy from contraction and illusion, but that this is an uncommon game to play that is pretty much reserved for monk-types because most that are incarnated here don't prefer this path... even if they believe they do.

And that makes sense... in the majority of cases, why would God choose to incarnate here in the first place just to have its avatar wake up to the illusion it has spun? 

But it showed me that he and I are playing a different kind of game than the monks that's, where it creates a reality for me and I receive all the positives and negatives of that reality as a gift.

It's encouraged me to think of myself like a Paris Hilton type getting spoiled by her rich daddy.

In Tantra (which means expansion/contraction), it has shown me that my path is one of contraction.

And I just don't get the sense that the OP would be seeking awakening from a place of a genuine desire to transcend the Earthly... but moreso that he is motivated by a resistance to the Earthly that would be best to stop running away form.

Can you summarise this in laymans terms, I simply cant follow anything you have written

[Emerald]

40 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Gave me something to think about today, a new perspective. Makes sense. It's like seeking, which implies something is lost. Or fixing the self, which implies something is wrong with God since God is the self.

Yes, sometimes the way we say things with language can muddy the waters of concepts like self-love.

And we come to ask "How can I love myself?" But in actuality the love is just there and can't not be there.

[Javfly33]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

 

Or is he just in resistance to life... and wants to use seeking enlightenment as an excuse to run away from himself by spiritually bypassing his pain?

 

 

 

@Emerald Ive said it million times, there is no such a thing as spiritual bypassing. Spirituality or Yoga path i started 2 years ago from sadhguru inner engineering path was very clear: Becoming the master of your mind and body/energies to be able to consciously conduce it wherever you want it.

Is not bypassing anything. Is only that if your mind or energies produce certain compulsive, cyclical, traumatic patters, you start a Path that is about Awakening the Intelligence/God within you so it can break free of this identification.

Breaking free of this identification has very practical terms, from dating/relationship to money, career or even creativity.

Inner engineering path was designed about improving and raising your quality of life in all levels, it is not designed at all as an evasion. 

 

I probably have converted it to an evasion though, thats another story, thats on me. 

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Likewise, I could ask the same of everyone on this forum who seeks enlightenment. My estimate is that very few who seek it really truly want it. When I was given the option, I realized that I didn't want it as I preferred to maintain the illusions of the finite and the separate for the wealth of human experiences that I can have.

But my question is... does the OP actually want awakening? Is that actually part of his story here that he moves towards from a place of genuinely wanting that?

But you are right, i personally do not want it for truth's sakes because if not i would not have problem surrendering all desires. Clearly jeevan mukti is not happening to me in this life. Ideally it will happen at moment of death.

Edited September 7 by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Which is why women get upset at men for treating them as sexual objects.

I don't mind as it's a part of my work, the more the better, but it's just a sorry excuse for men to do this. Your saying that men treat women as sex objects because they are highly sexual beings is so low. It's like saying women who love money are justified if they look at men as an ATM. I'm not saying either is right or wrong, but neither is OK to make a justification about and should be acknowledged as a low-tier form of viewing each other. Nothing wrong with a man treating his wife as a sex object when making out and doing the act, but men treat women who are just walking by minding their own business as such, which is where the upset lies.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Emerald said:

But my question is... does the OP actually want awakening?

Most men will have to burn through some of their sexual karma to settle down their cravings before they get serious about awakening.

This is pretty basic and obvious. Which is why I made videos on How To Get Laid.

Edited September 7 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Your saying that men treat women as sex objects because they are highly sexual beings is so low.

It just is what it is. I'm not saying it's something to indulge in or promote.

You can't undo the male sex drive by shaming it.

Edited September 7 by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Leo Gura why do men have higher sex drives than women ?

[Javfly33]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Most men will have to burn through some of their sexual karma to settle down their cravings before they get serious about awakening.

This is pretty basic and obvious. Which O why I made videos on How To Get Laid.

But the point is some people start Awakening path because they see they are so compulsive in their minds/thoughts that clearly see their mind will sabotage their life over and over. (At least thats my case)

So personally i don´t understand spiritual work as bypassing or evasion of life, but literally the way you finally be able to go where you want in life. 

You can get laid or just do anything new only if your mind is not constantly working against you. 

Edited September 7 by Javfly33

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura why do men have higher sex drives than women ?

1) Because they need to to attract women.

2) Because it serves them.

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Most men will have to burn through some of their sexual karma to settle down their cravings before they get serious about awakening.

This is pretty basic and obvious. Which O why I made videos on How To Get Laid.

I'm not even talking about as an aftermath after a man gets his sexual drives out of his system.

I mean in general... regardless of sexual appetites or gender.

It's pretty evident to me that most people don't actually want enlightenment... including those who believe they do.

My perception from his posts is that the OP doesn't really want enlightenment, but that he's moreso just in resistance to life. And that's a different thing from genuinely being on the expansion path.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura how does it serve them ?

 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura why do men have higher sex drives than women ?

They don't, it's just that women are more physically sexually appealing and women need more than a man's body to get horny. It's just an appearance and got everybody fooled. Notice how in the gay world it's still the feminine man that gets chased. Something about femininity. Women have just as much sex drives but they don't go around hunting for fresh meat like men do, they go home and devour their bf and husbands.

Edited September 7 by Princess Arabia

[bambi]

None of this is remotelty accurate lol

All the data shows that men masturbate more then women and think about sex more then women.on a more conistent basis over a longer period of time

 

[Princess Arabia]

If women were not "slut shamed" as much, they'd be more open with their sexuality. Sometimes I myself am shocked and surprised to hear women talking about sex, it's mind-blowing to me how some of them especially the not-so-obvious ones the not-so-attractive ones and the overweight ones are. They are like men in this department. Maybe because they don't get approached as much. I appear as a virgin sometimes around these women.