Women are my only and only distraction from Enlightment

[Ulax]

Just do insight meditation, like shinzen young's, where you meditate on the actual desires/ urges towards women.

[Someone here]

Use money to fuck prostitutes till you get sick of it and realize sex will never make you happy and then get over it and go  straight to the mountains. 

[Javfly33]

20 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Damn. That's honesty. 

🤣Thanks

18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Then go get some women.

Yeap 

17 hours ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

You always prioritize the pursuit of pussy, and then, maybe then, think about spirituality. 

Right, i see

15 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Why do you think "enlightenment" is separate from ordinary life? 

How you live is up to you.

I think for total trascendence all desires must be surrendered.

But maybe im just not at that level, and part of the spiritual path now for my ego is accepting i have to take care of some dualities i have on my mind

[Javfly33]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

Use money to fuck prostitutes till you get sick of it and realize sex will never make you happy and then get over it and go  straight to the mountains. 

I wish that worked, ive gone 3 times to prostitutes but they dont scratch the itch for me. I dont feel any connection to them 

[Someone here]

@Javfly33 dude ..go open up some porn site ..find the most despicable porno out there and jerk off 15 times till you peel the skin of your penis ..by this you will kill your libido for good 3-4 weeks ..use them to focus on your "Sadhna ".

Proplem solved .

I'm not trolling btw .

[Princess Arabia]

It's funny watching the mind at work. It will drive us up the wall and back if we let it, which is exactly how 90% of humans live. 

Women is my only distraction from enlightenment. I need to get this out of my system. I've tried prostitutes but they don't scratch the itch for me and there's no connection to them. What kind of connection do you want with a prostitute. Now, I'm not at a particular level and my stupid ego has to come on board with this and realize that it has to accept that I have dualities (which, BTW are illusions) to take care of. Using an illusion (the ego) to take care of another illusion (duality). If this isn't neurosis like we all have been succumbed to, then I don't know what is. 

All in the mind. All delusion, all erractic thinking, all identification, all attachment and all within the scope of appearances in the world of change and where nothing is real. All thought after thought after thought and the egoic mind is trying to do something about it's own delusion. Next week it'll be I have awakened to so and so or I'm giving up this or that or I seek no more or whatever. It's infinite; infinitely everything and anything can appear including this. I seem to appear as fallen into victimhood too, so it's not just you; I'm seeing my own delusions playing out by seeing myself through you because it's all the same thing and there's no separation.

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

It's funny watching the mind at work. It will drive us up the wall and back if we let it, which is exactly how 90% of humans live. 

Women is my only distraction from enlightenment. I need to get this out of my system. I've tried prostitutes but they don't scratch the itch for me and there's no connection to them. What kind of connection do you want with a prostitute. Now, I'm not at a particular level and my stupid ego has to come on board with this and realize that it has to accept that I have dualities (which, BTW are illusions) to take care of. Using an illusion (the ego) to take care of another illusion (duality). If this isn't neurosis like we all have been succumbed to, then I don't know what is. 

All in the mind. All delusion, all erractic thinking, all identification, all attachment and all within the scope of appearances in the world of change and where nothing is real. All thought after thought after thought and the egoic mind is trying to do something about it's own delusion. Next week it'll be I have awakened to so and so or I'm giving up this or that or I seek no more or whatever. It's infinite; infinitely everything and anything can appear including this. I seem to appear as fallen into victimhood too, so it's not just you; I'm seeing my own delusions playing out by seeing myself through you because it's all the same thing and there's no separation.

Is simple. I want intimacy in all levels with the women i connect to 

But according to some users here you have to non attached to have a relationship, therefore the relationship loses its point because for that i micht as well Connect with a TV screen.

[Princess Arabia]

19 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Is simple. I want intimacy in all levels with the women i connect to 

But according to some users here you have to non attached to have a relationship, therefore the relationship loses its point because for that i micht as well Connect with a TV screen.

This is why sometimes you don't listen or adhere to what others have said and go with your own intuition or feelings, even though that's not always full-proof. . What are you detaching from to go get attached to something else. You're not attached to anything but your own frame of thoughts and thinking. Let go of all that and allow for what's taking place to take place without fighting it. That's the way to go. You are too much in your head thinking this should be this way and that should be another way. Too much information, too many strategies and how life should be. Let all that go and just let whatever comes come without judgement. Even letting go of the need to connect. Connect to your being and it will never fail you.

Edited September 6 by Princess Arabia

[Javfly33]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

. You're not attached to anything but your own frame of thoughts and thinking. 

Thats true 👑☝️ 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Javfly33 You know, maybe @Princess Arabia is right on that one, and every single person here talking you into it is just a spiritual-ego filled whack-job including me, and what you really need for your spiritual growth is to find a high-quality partner that you'll grow a strong emotional bond with and learn to love deeply for the rest of your life within a loving relationship, from which will come kids and then you enjoy a wholesome life of having a family.

Edited September 6 by Keryo Koffa

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Keryo Koffa said:

@Javfly33 You know, maybe @Princess Arabia is right on that one, and every single person here talking you into it is just a spiritual-ego filled whack-job including me, and what you really need for your spiritual growth is to find a high-quality partner that you'll grow a strong emotional bond with and learn to love deeply for the rest of your life within a loving relationship, from which will come kids and then you enjoy a wholesome life of having a family.

that doest sound bad!

[UnbornTao]

@Javfly33 Notice that people go live in caves to get enlightened. Once that's done, they often come back to "ordinary" life, whatever that may be for them.

Transcending something doesn't mean you stop engaging in it; you're just free to generate it or not. Gautama still ate, talked, gave lectures, socialized, etc. Jesus might have had intimate relationships, too. Enlightenment didn't mean their lives had to turn out a certain way.

So remember not to exclude the laundry (mundane life) from being enlightened.

What are relationships? What is communication? What is language? What is desire?

Edited September 7 by UnbornTao

[Breakingthewall]

The thing is absolutely obvious: you are a man and you need sex with women. 

This does not mean that sex is something basic biological despicable thing that you do as a necessity, but rather that the connection, the liberation of your masculinity in contact with the feminine, the flow as a man, is something you need and that's it. congratulations, you are a healthy guy.

Now comes the problem: no one is going to bring them to your house. Then the problem 2 arrives: women wants something, always. They want you 😅

So, the thing is a mess, but who said that should be easy?

Edited September 6 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

48 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

Now comes the problem: no one is going to bring them to your house. Then the problem 2 arrives: women wants something, always. They want you 😅

Nice 😂

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They want you

@Breakingthewall With 'you' You mean the expression/'liberation of my masculinity'? 

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Nice 😂

@Breakingthewall With 'you' You mean the expression/'liberation of my masculinity'? 

I wish but no, I meant "you". Posses your soul as they where a demon 😅

[Emerald]

On 9/5/2024 at 4:14 PM, Javfly33 said:

If im completely honest I absolutely have 0 attachments in Life other than the fucking missing hole I have in my relationship with women/dating.

If that would be solved/cleared up, I would have absolutely no problem in going to a cabin in the mountains, meditate/do yoga 12 hours a day and peacefully let death enter me, 0 drive for creating anything or achieving anything material. Really.

Like sure I enjoy potent cars, luxury designer clothing, travelling, but is like I have no issue surrendering that for the bliss and deep state of consciousness. I would not hesitate in surrendering that. 

But the thing about relationship with the feminine, something that is completely unbalanced, I can not just let go of it.

 I have quit sadhana for some time, I met a women some weeks ago that have completely detoured my path, or in other words it has showed me I don´t have the balls necessary for trascendence/Enlightment yet. Because I got sucked in to her and I realized I can not surrender the human illusion before I can have sex/date a woman like that. I just literally can´t. I need to experience that one day no matter the cost and I sense the cost might be fucking up my Liberation and reincarnating again. 

But it is what it is. Clearly the sadhana is potent enough and I could just go to the mountains and do sadhana 10 hours a day until the void sucks me in. But no, I do not have the determination and decision to do it because I can not let go of women. Lol. Maybe next life. 

These might seem like a straightforward questions with straightforward answers.

But why do you want to detach from everything?

Why do you want to go to a cabin in the mountains and meditate/do yoga 12 hours per day?

Why do you want to peacefully let death enter you?

Why are these things even good for you? Why do you want to transcend being human?

Are you running away from something... or towards something?

[Javfly33]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I wish but no, I meant "you". Posses your soul as they where a demon 😅

hehehe, that matches my experience .

13 minutes ago, Emerald said:

But why do you want to detach from everything?

Initially I thought I need to detach from 'everything' because I see that I have to become 'someone' in order to attract women (at least the women I usually want/get attached to).

For example, my idea of maximum well being and 'honesty' with the way I am within is just doing my yoga in nature and becoming more and more balanced, still. But if I go that route, I can not attract women I like.

As an example, with last girl I was, I verified I had to pivotate to more crude, raw masculine energy in order to activate some kind of attraction from her, their feminine does not get pumped up for me when I tell her about having a dream of creating a yoga retreat in the mountains (she might find cute or cool), but if I behave like a daddy dom she instantly starts to get attracted. Suddenly 'I am a man'.

The problem is pivoting towards that crude raw masculinity prevents me from the balance and maximum well being, that kind of behaviour creates negative karma because it maximises duality, so in order to attract the women I want I need to betray my natural inclination towards balance of masculine/femenine and basically inner well being (and also creating karmic consequences, not only for me but for everyone else I stumbled upon while I behave like in that crude survival masculine vibration)

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Why do you want to go to a cabin in the mountains and meditate/do yoga 12 hours per day

Because the joy of state of consciousness I touched doing that makes everything else seem as suffering and discomfort. 

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Why do you want to peacefully let death enter you?

Because in this retreats I see the more one runs away from the transactions and the 'dream', the more sweet life becomes. 

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Why are these things even good for you? Why do you want to transcend being human?

Because ive seen how it feels to transcend, and it feels better than being human. 

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Are you running away from something... or towards something?

@Emerald I think before I was running from facing my challenges with relating with women. Now that I have seen I can not transcend, now im running towards awakening my masculinity and finally experiencing balance and healthy relationships with women. 

Maybe trascendence can come after that. 

Edited September 6 by Javfly33

[BlueOak]

6 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I wish that worked, ive gone 3 times to prostitutes but they dont scratch the itch for me. I dont feel any connection to them 

What are you trying to connect to?

11 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

You need to find the woman within, else you'll polarize the lack.

This. I understand the culture war in society makes this less appealing, but meditate on this.

Infinite love requires loving the part of you that wants this too. You are running away or pushing away something you are feeling and its causing you to splinter. This is how everyone divides themselves.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

And the more one generates karma. 

There's no such thing as karma but only as a belief system because time intrinsically doesn't exist but only as a function of the mind. When we start to operate from the top down, these things start to become clear to us. Every moment is a new moment and the past and future is the present.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, BlueOak said:

Infinite love requires loving the part of you that wants this too. You are running away or pushing away something you are feeling and its causing you to splinter. This is how everyone divides themselves.

So true. Exactly the conflict he's going through right now. Perfectly said.

Edited September 6 by Princess Arabia