Russian propaganda is on the rise.

[Bobby_2021]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He runs a mafia state.

So you want a democratic state for what? Have US overthrow it like they did to Ukraine in 2014. 

Putin is a smart gangster.

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is basically traitorous activity. If a left-winger was caught doing this they would be called traitors by the right.

It all *depends* on what they are actually saying.

Saying stuff like.

"Let's be friends with Russia for a better future. Let's not point missiles at Moscow."

Is not a traitorous activity.

Is actually good things to say.

If some things are objectively good or correct it should be pursued regardless of legality. Like how Snowden exposed the war crimes and surveillance state.

That was a traitorous activity.

Sometimes you have to be a traitor to an evil government. 

Sometimes.

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are acting as though Biden ordered the invasion. This ain't Iraq 2.0

Clinton ordered the NATO expansion in the 90s after a meeting with the leaders of the defence industrial complex.

Because

"Russian aggression will kill us all protect us from Russia".

"Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that will kill us all, protect the world".

Iraq didn't have wmds neither did Russia any plans to attack or invade.

Both were lies with ulterior motives.

Although they aren't exactly the same the similarities are stark to not see.

Edited September 8 by Bobby_2021

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

hihi ^ captured by russian propagander

you probably use the term russophobia too

All public intellectuals are propagandists and/or influencers. And non public intellectuals like me too.

Being a Russian propagandists at this point of time is like being an Iraqi propagandist in 2003.

[Karmadhi]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He ain't so good though. He runs a mafia state. And it was Putin's choice to launch an invasion. Without that choice Raytheon would not have much new business. So by your logic Putin is lining the pockets of Raytheon.

You are acting as though Biden ordered the invasion. This ain't Iraq 2.0

To be frank, I have a friend in Saint Petersburg and he works in academia for a top university.

He told me in daily life you do not feel much the corruption, like cops are fair, hospitals, education etc are not much worse or different than the West.

I feel like the mafia elements of it are felt more on a high business or governmental level, they do not affect your average person as much.

Hence people do not care about it.

Edited September 8 by Karmadhi

[ZhenZhenZhen]

Russian propaganda is on downhill worldwide because of internal political instability and lack of future for Putin's regime.

Putin is a traitor of Russia, terrorist and war criminal. His regime was illegitimate from the very beginning. He is also dead. Unconstitutional forces that hold political power are using trained actors to impersonate Putin in order to conceal the fact of his death.

[Hatfort]

4 minutes ago, ZhenZhenZhen said:

Russian propaganda is on downhill worldwide because of internal political instability and lack of future for Putin's regime.

Putin is a traitor of Russia, terrorist and war criminal. His regime was illegitimate from the very beginning. He is also dead. Unconstitutional forces that hold political power are using trained actors to impersonate Putin in order to conceal the fact of his death.

Oh, really? Impressive, tell us more. Also, where do you get your information from?

[PurpleTree]

33 minutes ago, ZhenZhenZhen said:

Russian propaganda is on downhill worldwide because of internal political instability and lack of future for Putin's regime.

agreed it’s seemingly dying 

 

that war and the last few years with this extreme propaganda etc seem like the last desperate attempts so safe a collapsing empire. I don’t mean russia will cease to exist but won’t exist in this form

 

or whatever 

Edited September 8 by PurpleTree

[ZhenZhenZhen]

@Hatfort that is my personal opinion, sorry if it seems too edgy. My sources are social media, state media and living in Russia for my entire life.

[Hatfort]

6 minutes ago, ZhenZhenZhen said:

@Hatfort that is my personal opinion, sorry if it seems too edgy. My sources are social media, state media and living in Russia for my entire life.

There's opinion, which is fine, although I think you are wrong. Then there's the conspiracy about Putin being dead. Come on, man, reconsider your sources of information, which you didn't really share. It's harder to get someone out of his conspiracy delusions than to make a pig fly. Anyway, that's not edgy, is loony. Said it is.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

So you want a democratic state for what? Have US overthrow it like they did to Ukraine in 2014. 

How about just Putin not invading sovereign nations? I'll settle for that.

3 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Saying stuff like.

"Let's be friends with Russia for a better future. Let's not point missiles at Moscow."

Is not a traitorous activity.

Pool literally said Ukraine is America's greatest enemy.

It's insane what he said. It's as if the Kremlin put those words in his mouth because they could not serve Putin any better.

Edited September 8 by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

i used to like russel brand but now this guy has become so annoying and whack 

 

[ZhenZhenZhen]

14 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

There's opinion, which is fine, although I think you are wrong. Then there's the conspiracy about Putin being dead. Come on, man, reconsider your sources of information, which you didn't really share. It's harder to get someone out of his conspiracy delusions than to make a pig fly. Anyway, that's not edgy, is loony. Said it is.

Thank you for your feedback. 

If you want the source of this theory, here it is: 

 

I understand the conspiracy theory stuff. Of course it seems off the top. But whats been happening in my country for the past 25 years is insanity that goes against any rational or moral standards. Putin's ideology is cult thinking rigged with conspiracy theories, which affected everyone in this country.  

I hope time will reveal to us what really happened during these years.

[Bobby_2021]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

How about just Putin not invading sovereign nations?

Putin is following the path of freedom and democracy. Ask Afghanistan & Iraq. 

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Pool literally said Ukraine is America's greatest enemy.

He meant corrupt Zelenskyy regime. 

Do you even know that US literally banned export of weapons to Ukrainian Azov brigade because of their Nazi affiliations? Now they have lifted the ban. 

It's fair to say that Nazis are the greatest enemy of the Americans and of the entire world. Selling weapons to Nazis is what the US govt have stopped down to.

[Bobby_2021]

On 9/8/2024 at 2:54 PM, Leo Gura said:

He ain't so good though.

Notice that you subtly think it's okay to do propaganda against Russia because Putin is evil villian blah blah blah. You have your own reasons for why it's okay or you ignore it, conveniently.

Likewise they might also have their own reasons.

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Russian propaganda is declining because Russia no longer cares about what America thinks of it as they are slowly aligning with BRICS rather than western neoliberalism. 

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Russian propaganda is declining

Can you provide examples of this decline? I see it as a constant, much like every other country.

It might be better to say its changing. The core of sides for the latest round of world conflicts are well established now, so these countries mostly focus on those in the middle such as Turkey, while flaring up what each side would call extremism in the opposing territories. 

Edited September 9 by BlueOak

[Lyubov]

I’m partial towards Ukraine and arming them. USA allies are Europe and the world is safer with a USA / Europe coalition and with these governments calling the shots. I’m not going to get into a moral argument. It’s a waste of time. I’m not going to even label Russia as wrong or worse than the west in a moral sense. I just believe the lives of Europeans and even Russians are better off with the USA lead coalition on top. Russia just wants Ukraine to rebuild an empire. It isn’t even a culture war, Ukraine hates gay people just as much as Russians. It’s just geopolitics and the collective ego of an empire believing it is diminished in value with less land and influence. Russia is a military country and largely just exports energy resources with a pretty imbalanced economic system and largely dishonest corruption running the show behind a fake facade of democracy. USA is a democracy with all sorts of power imbalances and checks and balances that have been eroding. So I want to say this isn’t about moralism or who is good or bad, but just in terms of stability there will be more wars if power was to balance over to these authoritarians vs if it were to stay with the relatively democratic cesspools in the west, so I’ll say I’m fine with Ukraine getting weapons and fighting back. After all Russia invaded them. People are safer statistically with Russia and China as weaker countries that can’t expand their borders. Thing is though west doesn’t have a stomach for war so I do think the needle can move some: 

[Something Funny]

11 hours ago, Lyubov said:

It isn’t even a culture war, Ukraine hates gay people just as much as Russians.

This isn't true.  Ukraine is much more accepting of gay people than Russia. 

And lgbtq is not the only issue there can be a culture war about. Ukraine was in a culture war with Russia since I was going to the elementary school in 2000s.

Edited September 10 by Something Funny

[PurpleTree]

19 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It's fair to say that Nazis are the greatest enemy of the Americans and of the entire world.

How so? Today it’s Russia, diabetes, China, sugar etc

 

Edited September 10 by PurpleTree

[Lyubov]

8 hours ago, Something Funny said:

This isn't true.  Ukraine is much more accepting of gay people than Russia. 

And lgbtq is not the only issue there can be a culture war about. Ukraine was in a culture war with Russia since I was going to the elementary school in 2000s.

On a state level, sure and one could make a case that's a big deal but socially they are not far off at all. 

[PurpleTree]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

How so? Today it’s Russia, diabetes, China, sugar etc

 

also without nazis there probably wouldn’t have been nasa, cia etc 

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

On a state level, sure and one could make a case that's a big deal but socially they are not far off at all. 

State level is a result of how society is.

In Russia, it is actually dangerous to your life to be gay. In Ukraine, you might occasionally run into mean people. That's a big difference.