Germany is done

[mojsterr]

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A German court has ordered the Hoss and Hopf Podcast to delete an episode where the hosts referred to a balding trans-identified male by "he/him" pronouns. The hosts now face a €250,000 fine or even jail time for misgendering Nicolas "Laura" Holstein.

 

Our podcast episode about the legal drama of a person who was born biologically male but wanted to go to a women's gym - with the support of the Independent Federal Commissioner for Anti-Discrimination, mind you - is now offline.

The reason? A decision by the Frankfurt am Main Regional Court that redefines the boundaries between biology, identity and law. 👇🏻

In an expedited procedure, without an oral hearing, the court ruled in favor of the applicant, a transgender woman. Why? Our repeated designation as a "man" was considered a violation of her personal rights because she is "legally and socially recognized as a woman."

It is noteworthy that the court saw an "extraordinary urgency" here - as if the use of biologically correct terms posed an immediate danger that could not be delayed. One inevitably wonders whether other, perhaps actually urgent cases had to take a back seat for this.

This creates a fascinating dilemma: In Germany, a person who was born biologically male and is legally considered a woman can no longer be called a man. An expression of opinion that the court classifies as a violation of personal rights and even an attack on human dignity and sanctions in expedited proceedings. 🚨

The questions that arise are as explosive as they are uncomfortable: How should a society function in which biological realities and legal fictions come into such a blatant contradiction?

 

 

 

[questionreality]

That's quite insane actually.

Good luck explaining this though to the woke leftists, who are stuck in their ideological bubble.

 

[Whitney Edwards]

Woke Germany. The amount of fines can possibly solve global poverty. 

[Alex4]

I find the penalty disproportionate. 

[shree]

8 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

I find the penalty disproportionate. 

Yes, 250k penalty is absolutely outrageous.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, mojsterr said:

 

 

All the surgeries and effort to change your sex, but forgot to get a hair transplant.

Cute nonetheless. 

 

[ici]

“It is noteworthy that the court saw an ‘extraordinary urgency’ here – as if the use of biologically correct terms represented an immediate danger that could not be postponed. One inevitably wonders whether other, perhaps actually urgent cases had to take a back seat for this.“

[ici]

53 minutes ago, questionreality said:

That's quite insane actually.

Good luck explaining this though to the woke leftists, who are stuck in their ideological bubble.

 

Good luck explaining that to @Leo Gura

[mojsterr]

Leo is woke?

[Jannes]

From what I read its 1k. After the gym owner didnt pay it the trans person claims 5k + 2.5k compensation. 

The question is did the gym owner anything wrong by banning the trans person from the gym?

There are some interviews with the gym owner. She said that her female clients felt uncomfortable and intimidated with the trans person so she banned her for the well being of her clients. Hard to find the line between transphobia and not. 

[Schizophonia]

Did they make a mistake, or did they deliberately "misgender" him to attack her?

Edited September 4, 2024 by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, shree said:

 

All the surgeries and effort to change your sex, but forgot to get a hair transplant.

Cute nonetheless. 

 

You don't need much.

[Alex4]

3 hours ago, mojsterr said:

Leo is woke?

Leo is Actualized you peasants.

[Alex4]

2 hours ago, Jannes said:

From what I read its 1k. After the gym owner didnt pay it the trans person claims 5k + 2.5k compensation. 

The question is did the gym owner anything wrong by banning the trans person from the gym?

There are some interviews with the gym owner. She said that her female clients felt uncomfortable and intimidated with the trans person so she banned her for the well being of her clients. Hard to find the line between transphobia and not. 

MIght this be a case of german rigidity? Following the law (probably a new one) meticulously and applying the corresponding penalties without caring about how it might be pissing people off?

[Shodburrito]

@shree lol

Edited September 4, 2024 by Shodburrito

[Jannes]

21 minutes ago, Alex4 said:

MIght this be a case of german rigidity? Following the law (probably a new one) meticulously and applying the corresponding penalties without caring about how it might be pissing people off?

I dont know.

[Ulax]

Can you link an English translation of the judgment?

 

[mojsterr]

I used google translate:

 

I. The respondent is granted an interim injunction to avoid one of the The court will impose an administrative fine of up to EUR for each case of infringement 250,000.00 and in the event that this cannot be collected, administrative detention or administrative detention of up to six months and, in the event of a repeat offense, a maximum of two months years, prohibited (as underlined),

1. disseminate and publish the following statements regarding the applicant or to distribute or have published by third parties:

“A man who feels like he’s in the wrong body wants to go to a women’s gym in Bavaria train and shower in the only changing room with swimming trunks" (minute 07:41), “A man who feels in the wrong body goes to a women's gym, he would like to register there and train, there is only one changing room there, it is a Women's gym, there are only women there, there is only a collective shower and yes This man doesn't accept being rejected from here because of this feeling of well-being and the safety of the women who are there Then imagine that I can take a shower in swimming trunks, but of course I'll get a no Rejection, then contacts a lawyer again about what he can do if he has one "I'm a complete idiot and just doesn't understand it" (minute 08:17), “But what is now absurd is that he appears to be reporting to a government body that Anti-discrimination agency and then actually causes the supervisor of the Germany's official anti-discrimination agency did not write to him [...] but she then reports to the gym and then even beats her almost like an unofficial fine, compensation for his Infringement of personality a thousand euros, which then also offers this gym this man should pay" (minute 08:51), "She says, 'I think it would be better if this man, woman, cross-person had a thousand Pay compensation for what you suffered?" (minute 10:18), “He still has his cock” (minute 11:51), "The argument that he then wants to shower in swimming trunks is absolute for me unacceptable" (minute 14:25)

 

 

[shree]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

You don't need much.

I’m just naturally this efficient.

[Bobby_2021]

Leo is not woke. But he will still justify this somehow. 

[Yimpa]

What is sex? What is gender?

Why do you hold onto your sex and gender so rigidly, as if it's fundamentally true? 

I am expecting very mature responses incoming