What is the self, what does it want?

[rachMiel]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Either you identify with everything. Then there is no duality. Or you identify with nothing at all. Then there's no duality also

Swami Sarvapriyananda says pretty much the same thing. He says it's partial identification that will give you trouble, identifying with X but not Y. I lean towards identifying with everything rather than nothing. You? 

[Salvijus]

3 minutes ago, rachMiel said:

Swami Sarvapriyananda says pretty much the same thing. He says it's partial identification that will give you trouble, identifying with X but not Y. I lean towards identifying with everything rather than nothing. You? 

Mm, I'm okay with both. I feel disidentifying from everything leads to emptyness. And identification with everything leads to love. For me those are two sides of the same coin. Both are okay. 

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe it's not the right word. I meant an ego that has overcome the challenges that life has put before it, that has managed to find its place in the human machinery without hiding parts of itself. Maybe this is not necessary but it seems to me that it is.

i call this being comfortable and at ease and at home with ones environment

being disarmingly friendly and whole-heartedly engaging

being invulnerable and fearless such that trouble is inconceivable

Everything I meet is what I powered into my presence for my unfoldment and fulfilment

My role is simply to marvel and bask and wonder at my breath-taking ingenuity and spell-binding virtuosity 

Edited September 5 by gettoefl

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

i call this being comfortable and at ease and at home with ones environment

being disarmingly friendly and whole-heartedly engaging

being invulnerable and fearless such that trouble is inconceivable

Everything I meet is what I powered into my presence for my unfoldment and fulfilment

My role is simply to marvel and bask and wonder at my breath-taking ingenuity and spell-binding virtuosity 

I mean to be free of trauma, of narcissism, of the need to prove to yourself that you are valid, comparison, of lies, shame, all of that. having managed to be a complete person, which is not easy. I guess that Could be easy if your parents are very competent, that's not the usual

[gettoefl]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I mean to be free of trauma, of narcissism, of the need to prove to yourself that you are valid, comparison, of lies, shame, all of that. having managed to be a complete person, which is not easy. I guess that Could be easy if your parents are very competent, that's not the usual

Yes I would say this is the necessary inner work

and part two is the outer work which I addressed

and which blissfully and organically follows

This is to bring home all one's dissociated fragments

in order to live as one complete heavenly family

[rachMiel]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I meant an ego that has overcome the challenges that life has put before it, that has managed to find its place in the human machinery without hiding parts of itself. Maybe this is not necessary but it seems to me that it is

Thanks for the explanation, I get it now. I also am unsure whether it's necessary. But I have thought, for years now, that I never developed a strong solid self and this has held me back from 'transcending' the self. Transcending a wispy ghostly half-self seems almost like an oxymoron.