Politicians Should be Engineers, Engineering the Best Solutions

[integral]

Our politicians need to be engineers, engineering the best solutions for the whole of the country.

This is so obvious when you think about it, we of course need scientist engineering our countries rules and decisions.

but all the people that would normally be attracted to engineering have no interest in politics.

People with a predisposition to Creativity problem-solving innovation or intelligence have a natural repulsion and disgust for politics.

They especially have this repulsion when they’re young and later might warm up to it. Or at the very least have absolutely zero interest in politics because their natural passions are not going to be fulfilled in that career.

but if the system was built from a scientific engineering foundation and a scientific approach was the foundation of a country then all the smart people when young Will be inspired to work in that field.

We need an incentive program to help the most conscious people become passionate about politics young.

Instead of going into a normal engineering career they need to be redirected into a political engineering career.

Why hasn’t Bill Gates created a foundation to help The intelligent people move into politics instead of a scientific career?

Edited September 3 by integral

[Buck Edwards]

Jordan Peterson would have been a great politician. 

[aurum]

Being a politician is a people’s game. 

Coming up with actual solutions and policies is mostly for people behind the scenes. 

[Leo Gura]

There's no way that could work.

Politics demands high social skills and social intelligence, which engineers are terrible at.

Politicians need to be charismatic and likeable and people need to relate to them. No one is gonna relate to an engineer. And most importantly an engineer would not have the skill to handle all the behind-the-scenes socializing and deal-making that politicians must do to be effective. Politicians have to manage hundreds of elite social connections to be effective.

Even Obama was not so good at that because he's more of a professor archetype than a typical politician.

Engineers would be unhappy as politicians. Like fish out of water.

Edited September 3 by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

How does knowing how to program in C# and knowing algorithms make you a good politician?

It is an essentially administrative profession.

[integral]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

How does knowing how to program in C# and knowing algorithms make you a good politician?

It is an essentially administrative profession.

This is how engineers would govern:

Redesigning a political system from an engineering perspective involves a methodical and systematic approach to analyzing existing problems, setting clear objectives, and creating a structure that meets those objectives efficiently. Engineers typically use principles of design thinking, systems analysis, and problem-solving to approach complex challenges. Here’s a general outline of how an engineer might go about redesigning a political system:

1. Problem Identification and Analysis

Objective: Understand the current issues and inefficiencies within the existing political system.

- Stakeholder Analysis: Identify all the key stakeholders (citizens, government officials, businesses, NGOs, etc.) and understand their interests, needs, and concerns.
- Data Collection: Gather data on the current system’s performance, such as voter turnout, citizen satisfaction, policy effectiveness, levels of corruption, and other relevant metrics.
- Identify Pain Points: Use the data to pinpoint specific problems like lack of transparency, inefficiency, corruption, voter apathy, inequality in representation, etc.
- System Mapping: Create a detailed map of how the current political system operates, including the flow of information, decision-making processes, power structures, and feedback loops.

2. Setting Objectives and Requirements

Objective: Define what a redesigned political system should achieve.

- Goals: Set clear goals such as increased transparency, greater citizen participation, accountability, efficiency, inclusivity, and reduced corruption.
- Requirements: Define specific, measurable requirements for the new system. For example, if the goal is to increase transparency, a requirement might be that all government decisions are documented and made publicly accessible in real-time.
- Constraints: Identify any constraints (legal, cultural, technological) that could impact the redesign.

3. Conceptual Design and Ideation

Objective Develop initial concepts for the new political system.

- Benchmarking: Study other political systems around the world, looking for successful elements that could be adapted or adopted.
- Brainstorming Sessions Facilitate brainstorming sessions to generate a wide range of ideas. Involve diverse groups to get multiple perspectives.
- Use Case Scenarios: Develop scenarios to explore how the new system might handle various situations (e.g., election processes, policy changes, crisis management).

4. System Design and Architecture

Objective: Create a detailed design of the new political system.

- Structure Design: Determine the overall structure of the political system. This could involve defining the roles of different branches of government (executive, legislative, judicial), how they interact, and how power is balanced.
- Process Design: Design the processes for how decisions are made, how policies are implemented, and how citizens can participate. This could include voting systems, legislative processes, and channels for citizen engagement.
- Technology Integration: Identify how technology can be integrated into the system to enhance transparency, participation, and efficiency. For example, using blockchain for secure voting or AI for policy analysis.
- Feedback Mechanisms: Establish systems for regular feedback from citizens and other stakeholders. This ensures the system can adapt and improve over time.

5. Prototype and Testing

Objective: Build prototypes and test them in controlled environments.

- Simulation: Create simulations of the new political system. Use computer models to simulate how the system would function in real-world scenarios.
- Pilot Programs: Implement pilot programs in selected regions or communities to test aspects of the new system. Collect data on performance, citizen satisfaction, and any issues that arise.
- Feedback Loops: Use feedback from simulations and pilots to refine and improve the system design. Adjust processes and structures as necessary.

6. Implementation Plan

Objective: Develop a strategy for implementing the redesigned political system.

- Phased Implementation: Plan a phased approach to implementation, starting with smaller, less risky changes and gradually scaling up to full deployment.
- Training and Education: Develop training programs for government officials, citizens, and other stakeholders to understand and adapt to the new system.
- Communication Strategy: Create a communication plan to inform citizens about the changes, the reasons behind them, and how they can engage with the new system.

7. Monitoring and Evaluation

Objective: Ensure the new political system is functioning as intended and make continuous improvements.

- Performance Metrics: Define key performance indicators (KPIs) to monitor the system’s effectiveness. Regularly collect and analyze data on these metrics.
- Feedback Mechanisms: Establish ongoing feedback channels for citizens and stakeholders to provide input on the system’s performance.
- Continuous Improvement: Use feedback and performance data to make iterative improvements to the system. Implement agile methodologies to quickly respond to emerging issues and opportunities.

8. Adaptation and Scalability

Objective: Ensure the system can adapt to future changes and scale as needed.

- Flexibility: Design the system to be flexible and adaptable to changing circumstances (e.g., technological advancements, societal shifts).
- Scalability: Ensure the system can scale to accommodate population growth or changes in administrative boundaries.
- Future-Proofing: Anticipate future challenges and integrate mechanisms to address them proactively.

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Conclusion

An engineer’s approach to redesigning a political system focuses on identifying and solving problems through systematic analysis, design, testing, and iteration. The aim is to create a political system that is transparent, efficient, inclusive, and adaptable, leveraging technology and data-driven insights to ensure good governance. This approach emphasizes continuous improvement and adaptability, recognizing that political systems must evolve in response to new challenges and opportunities.

Edited September 3 by integral

[Hatfort]

Engineer or not, a politician should have an understanding of economy and sociology, which should go hand in hand, in public administration at least. Also some diplomacy skills, to deal with people, businesses, and adversary parties, and even international actors, in the highest spheres. No shame in consulting and hiring experts in different fields, doctors, engineers, educators, militars, etc... A true public service vocation and good public speaking and communication skills.

[Leo Gura]

At this point I would gladly just settle for a politician who got an A in highschool history class and can point out Afghanistan on a map.

Edited September 3 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

We need engineers who can play politics.

[Leo Gura]

Politicians should be horses, pulling us into the future!

[Buck Edwards]

38 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

We need engineers who can play politics.

We already have them. 

[Buck Edwards]

Oh wait. We need politicians who can be good engineers. Screen them all for an engineering degree.

Edited September 4 by Buck Edwards

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Buck Edwards said:

We already have them. 

No not like that 😂

[Buck Edwards]

5 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

No not like that 😂

[Schizophonia]

16 hours ago, integral said:

This is how engineers would govern:

Redesigning a political system from an engineering perspective involves a methodical and systematic approach to analyzing existing problems, setting clear objectives, and creating a structure that meets those objectives efficiently. Engineers typically use principles of design thinking, systems analysis, and problem-solving to approach complex challenges. Here’s a general outline of how an engineer might go about redesigning a political system:

1. Problem Identification and Analysis

Objective: Understand the current issues and inefficiencies within the existing political system.

- Stakeholder Analysis: Identify all the key stakeholders (citizens, government officials, businesses, NGOs, etc.) and understand their interests, needs, and concerns.
- Data Collection: Gather data on the current system’s performance, such as voter turnout, citizen satisfaction, policy effectiveness, levels of corruption, and other relevant metrics.
- Identify Pain Points: Use the data to pinpoint specific problems like lack of transparency, inefficiency, corruption, voter apathy, inequality in representation, etc.
- System Mapping: Create a detailed map of how the current political system operates, including the flow of information, decision-making processes, power structures, and feedback loops.

2. Setting Objectives and Requirements

Objective: Define what a redesigned political system should achieve.

- Goals: Set clear goals such as increased transparency, greater citizen participation, accountability, efficiency, inclusivity, and reduced corruption.
- Requirements: Define specific, measurable requirements for the new system. For example, if the goal is to increase transparency, a requirement might be that all government decisions are documented and made publicly accessible in real-time.
- Constraints: Identify any constraints (legal, cultural, technological) that could impact the redesign.

3. Conceptual Design and Ideation

Objective Develop initial concepts for the new political system.

- Benchmarking: Study other political systems around the world, looking for successful elements that could be adapted or adopted.
- Brainstorming Sessions Facilitate brainstorming sessions to generate a wide range of ideas. Involve diverse groups to get multiple perspectives.
- Use Case Scenarios: Develop scenarios to explore how the new system might handle various situations (e.g., election processes, policy changes, crisis management).

4. System Design and Architecture

Objective: Create a detailed design of the new political system.

- Structure Design: Determine the overall structure of the political system. This could involve defining the roles of different branches of government (executive, legislative, judicial), how they interact, and how power is balanced.
- Process Design: Design the processes for how decisions are made, how policies are implemented, and how citizens can participate. This could include voting systems, legislative processes, and channels for citizen engagement.
- Technology Integration: Identify how technology can be integrated into the system to enhance transparency, participation, and efficiency. For example, using blockchain for secure voting or AI for policy analysis.
- Feedback Mechanisms: Establish systems for regular feedback from citizens and other stakeholders. This ensures the system can adapt and improve over time.

5. Prototype and Testing

Objective: Build prototypes and test them in controlled environments.

- Simulation: Create simulations of the new political system. Use computer models to simulate how the system would function in real-world scenarios.
- Pilot Programs: Implement pilot programs in selected regions or communities to test aspects of the new system. Collect data on performance, citizen satisfaction, and any issues that arise.
- Feedback Loops: Use feedback from simulations and pilots to refine and improve the system design. Adjust processes and structures as necessary.

6. Implementation Plan

Objective: Develop a strategy for implementing the redesigned political system.

- Phased Implementation: Plan a phased approach to implementation, starting with smaller, less risky changes and gradually scaling up to full deployment.
- Training and Education: Develop training programs for government officials, citizens, and other stakeholders to understand and adapt to the new system.
- Communication Strategy: Create a communication plan to inform citizens about the changes, the reasons behind them, and how they can engage with the new system.

7. Monitoring and Evaluation

Objective: Ensure the new political system is functioning as intended and make continuous improvements.

- Performance Metrics: Define key performance indicators (KPIs) to monitor the system’s effectiveness. Regularly collect and analyze data on these metrics.
- Feedback Mechanisms: Establish ongoing feedback channels for citizens and stakeholders to provide input on the system’s performance.
- Continuous Improvement: Use feedback and performance data to make iterative improvements to the system. Implement agile methodologies to quickly respond to emerging issues and opportunities.

8. Adaptation and Scalability

Objective: Ensure the system can adapt to future changes and scale as needed.

- Flexibility: Design the system to be flexible and adaptable to changing circumstances (e.g., technological advancements, societal shifts).
- Scalability: Ensure the system can scale to accommodate population growth or changes in administrative boundaries.
- Future-Proofing: Anticipate future challenges and integrate mechanisms to address them proactively.

---

Conclusion

An engineer’s approach to redesigning a political system focuses on identifying and solving problems through systematic analysis, design, testing, and iteration. The aim is to create a political system that is transparent, efficient, inclusive, and adaptable, leveraging technology and data-driven insights to ensure good governance. This approach emphasizes continuous improvement and adaptability, recognizing that political systems must evolve in response to new challenges and opportunities.

You lake self esteem, so you think you have to become an engineer to prove you have a brain and a work ethic, it's a form of paranoia.

 

[integral]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There's no way that could work.

Politics demands high social skills and social intelligence, which engineers are terrible at.

Politicians need to be charismatic and likeable and people need to relate to them. No one is gonna relate to an engineer. And most importantly an engineer would not have the skill to handle all the behind-the-scenes socializing and deal-making that politicians must do to be effective. Politicians have to manage hundreds of elite social connections to be effective.

Even Obama was not so good at that because he's more of a professor archetype than a typical politician.

Engineers would be unhappy as politicians. Like fish out of water.

It’s like the marketing division of a software company. There could be a division of work where the thinking types are Engineering the best solutions while the extraverts are doing the social engineering.

Politicians should not be making policy changes or designing anything, they are the figureheads that do the talking while the engineers and scientists do the hard work designing a intelligent system that works.

In practice when the marketing team takes over the design component of a company it always ends in disaster with Greed first products that no one wants.

Edited September 4 by integral

[Bobby_2021]

18 hours ago, integral said:

This is how engineers would govern:

Redesigning a political system from an engineering perspective involves a methodical and systematic approach to analyzing existing problems, setting clear objectives, and creating a structure that meets those objectives efficiently. Engineers typically use principles of design thinking, systems analysis, and problem-solving to approach complex challenges. Here’s a general outline of how an engineer might go about redesigning a political system:

1. Problem Identification and Analysis

Objective: Understand the current issues and inefficiencies within the existing political system.

- Stakeholder Analysis: Identify all the key stakeholders (citizens, government officials, businesses, NGOs, etc.) and understand their interests, needs, and concerns.
- Data Collection: Gather data on the current system’s performance, such as voter turnout, citizen satisfaction, policy effectiveness, levels of corruption, and other relevant metrics.
- Identify Pain Points: Use the data to pinpoint specific problems like lack of transparency, inefficiency, corruption, voter apathy, inequality in representation, etc.
- System Mapping: Create a detailed map of how the current political system operates, including the flow of information, decision-making processes, power structures, and feedback loops.

2. Setting Objectives and Requirements

Objective: Define what a redesigned political system should achieve.

- Goals: Set clear goals such as increased transparency, greater citizen participation, accountability, efficiency, inclusivity, and reduced corruption.
- Requirements: Define specific, measurable requirements for the new system. For example, if the goal is to increase transparency, a requirement might be that all government decisions are documented and made publicly accessible in real-time.
- Constraints: Identify any constraints (legal, cultural, technological) that could impact the redesign.

3. Conceptual Design and Ideation

Objective Develop initial concepts for the new political system.

- Benchmarking: Study other political systems around the world, looking for successful elements that could be adapted or adopted.
- Brainstorming Sessions Facilitate brainstorming sessions to generate a wide range of ideas. Involve diverse groups to get multiple perspectives.
- Use Case Scenarios: Develop scenarios to explore how the new system might handle various situations (e.g., election processes, policy changes, crisis management).

4. System Design and Architecture

Objective: Create a detailed design of the new political system.

- Structure Design: Determine the overall structure of the political system. This could involve defining the roles of different branches of government (executive, legislative, judicial), how they interact, and how power is balanced.
- Process Design: Design the processes for how decisions are made, how policies are implemented, and how citizens can participate. This could include voting systems, legislative processes, and channels for citizen engagement.
- Technology Integration: Identify how technology can be integrated into the system to enhance transparency, participation, and efficiency. For example, using blockchain for secure voting or AI for policy analysis.
- Feedback Mechanisms: Establish systems for regular feedback from citizens and other stakeholders. This ensures the system can adapt and improve over time.

5. Prototype and Testing

Objective: Build prototypes and test them in controlled environments.

- Simulation: Create simulations of the new political system. Use computer models to simulate how the system would function in real-world scenarios.
- Pilot Programs: Implement pilot programs in selected regions or communities to test aspects of the new system. Collect data on performance, citizen satisfaction, and any issues that arise.
- Feedback Loops: Use feedback from simulations and pilots to refine and improve the system design. Adjust processes and structures as necessary.

6. Implementation Plan

Objective: Develop a strategy for implementing the redesigned political system.

- Phased Implementation: Plan a phased approach to implementation, starting with smaller, less risky changes and gradually scaling up to full deployment.
- Training and Education: Develop training programs for government officials, citizens, and other stakeholders to understand and adapt to the new system.
- Communication Strategy: Create a communication plan to inform citizens about the changes, the reasons behind them, and how they can engage with the new system.

7. Monitoring and Evaluation

Objective: Ensure the new political system is functioning as intended and make continuous improvements.

- Performance Metrics: Define key performance indicators (KPIs) to monitor the system’s effectiveness. Regularly collect and analyze data on these metrics.
- Feedback Mechanisms: Establish ongoing feedback channels for citizens and stakeholders to provide input on the system’s performance.
- Continuous Improvement: Use feedback and performance data to make iterative improvements to the system. Implement agile methodologies to quickly respond to emerging issues and opportunities.

8. Adaptation and Scalability

Objective: Ensure the system can adapt to future changes and scale as needed.

- Flexibility: Design the system to be flexible and adaptable to changing circumstances (e.g., technological advancements, societal shifts).
- Scalability: Ensure the system can scale to accommodate population growth or changes in administrative boundaries.
- Future-Proofing: Anticipate future challenges and integrate mechanisms to address them proactively.

---

Conclusion

An engineer’s approach to redesigning a political system focuses on identifying and solving problems through systematic analysis, design, testing, and iteration. The aim is to create a political system that is transparent, efficient, inclusive, and adaptable, leveraging technology and data-driven insights to ensure good governance. This approach emphasizes continuous improvement and adaptability, recognizing that political systems must evolve in response to new challenges and opportunities.

I ain't reading all that. Good for you or sorry that it happened.

[LordFall]

Well AI systems are fundamentally gonna change politics because it's gonna let every politician use their superior reasoning ability as well as let citizens analyze policy in a matter of minutes instead of weeks of study. Big hopes for our civilization in the next few years.