Chew raw coca leaves for spiritual development, what do you think?

[Asia P]

The plant of coca grows in an high part of the peruvian andes, and ancient locals needed coca to survive on an everyday basis, because on that mountains was very hard to find food, water and a warm place. Coca should give a lot of energy, and mental clarity, so maybe it can be useful for spiritual work, maybe chewing while doing a long meditation, trying to stay still and quiet all the time. Of course with a fresh plant and not with this chemical powders that are usually snorted. Also chewing shouldn't give a big hit of pleasure and energy like chemical coke does, it should be much more mild and gentle experience.

 

I think that the problem with this substance is that people do it without spiritual purpuse, and just for having fun and feeling good...

Edited September 3 by Asia P

[shree]

@Asia P

Can you get the seeds and grow them yourself?

Have you tried microdosing psychedelics? It works incredibly well for me when it comes to meditation and shadow work, although it sometimes has some unwanted effects.

[manuel bon]

@Asia P sounds interesting, do you grow your coca plant?

[Schizophonia]

1)No, stimulants disrupts energies and increases ego ; It will make your meditation boring.

2)Why not just take a stimulant, including cocaine?
It seems like you want to experience something because you want to, but since you are afraid of it or at least full of guilt, you sweeten your desire by changing cocaine to "coca leaf chewed by the natives" and then adding "people do it for fun, while I do it to meditate cross-legged, it's serious".
But why do you meditate cross-legged if it's not for your pleasure? Lol; It's like saying "I don't take oxycodone, I take KRATOM" and then "I don't play video games, it's software".

Same tacit blanket. 

[Javfly33]

15 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

people do it for fun, while I do it to meditate cross-legged, it's serious".
But why do you meditate cross-legged if it's not for your pleasure? Lol; It's like saying "I don't take oxycodone, I take KRATOM" and then "I don't play video games, it's software".

Same tacit blanket. 

Lol. We will end up doing speedballs for the 'meditation benefits' 

On 03/09/2024 at 2:48 PM, Asia P said:

The plant of coca grows in an high part of the peruvian andes, and ancient locals needed coca to survive on an everyday basis, because on that mountains was very hard to find food, water and a warm place. Coca should give a lot of energy, and mental clarity, so maybe it can be useful for spiritual work, maybe chewing while doing a long meditation, trying to stay still and quiet all the time. Of course with a fresh plant and not with this chemical powders that are usually snorted. Also chewing shouldn't give a big hit of pleasure and energy like chemical coke does, it should be much more mild and gentle experience.

 

I think that the problem with this substance is that people do it without spiritual purpuse, and just for having fun and feeling good...

I tried coca leaves and is cool for some time but yeah it doesn´t provide any great insight or increased awareness. It gives you crazy intense concentration though, but spiritual process needs another kind of subtle concentration. 

Also is incredibly short-lived, you would have to be constantly chewing leaves while you meditate.

[halfknots]

You could look into how mambe and ambil are traditionally used

[Asia P]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

1)No, stimulants disrupts energies and increases ego ; It will make your meditation boring.

I didn't know this. Are you really sure about this? 

For example mdma is a stimulant, i don't think it is the best psychedelic for spiritual realizations, but i'm sure that it opened the mind of a lot of ppl that managed to use it not just for having fun. 

I think that there's a huge difference between the natural substance and the chemical:

1 with the natural you know what is inside the plant and you are 100% sure you are not taking other strange chemicals that are added to synthetic cocaine

2 if you grow you own plant for your personal use you're not financing illegal traffics 

3 the natural leaves contains other alkaloids and substances that creates a completely different experience. (Like the difference between pure lsa powder and lsa seeds)

4 also chewing cannot be like snorting (for exaple: chewing raw salvia vs smoking dried leaves is a completely different trip)

how you can tell is the same? 

[Asia P]

 

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I tried coca leaves and is cool for some time but yeah it doesn´t provide any great insight or increased awareness. It gives you crazy intense concentration though, but spiritual process needs another kind of subtle concentration. 

Also is incredibly short-lived, you would have to be constantly chewing leaves while you meditate.

This is very useful!!! Thank youuu

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Asia P said:

I didn't know this. Are you really sure about this? 

Yes, i mean for me the main goal of meditation is dissociating myself a bit from the ego.

Everything that increases stress response (adrenaline) will revive and intensify habitual patterns. Very mental people, with a tendency to OCD, to rumination, are rich in adrenaline (or histamine...)

1 hour ago, Asia P said:

For example mdma is a stimulant, i don't think it is the best psychedelic for spiritual realizations, but i'm sure that it opened the mind of a lot of ppl that managed to use it not just for having fun. 

Yes, because it presses the accelerator pedal of your ego, so it takes you out of learned helplessness.
But precisely not only does it not move your ego but intensifies its usual patterns, because the latter are motivated by the perception of an energy surplus.
In a normal setting, if your life (and therefore your ego) is not going well you end up triggering the energy crash of your system and you take a "dark night of the soul" until the ego agrees to evolve on new modes of operation, new survival strategies (personas).
Now, under MDMA, with you literally press all the protection pedals of your ego at the same time, and you think that in fact everything is love, that everything will be fine and company.
Well no, it is a one-off delusional state and how many people really evolve thanks to trips? lol.

Now I increasingly think that the only way to evolve is through confrontation.

1 hour ago, Asia P said:

I think that there's a huge difference between the natural substance and the chemical:

1 with the natural you know what is inside the plant and you are 100% sure you are not taking other strange chemicals that are added to synthetic cocaine

2 if you grow you own plant for your personal use you're not financing illegal traffics 

That's true 👍

1 hour ago, Asia P said:

3 the natural leaves contains other alkaloids and substances that creates a completely different experience. (Like the difference between pure lsa powder and lsa seeds)

Which ones ?

 

[Asia P]

19 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Which ones ?

wikipedia says:

"Besides cocaine, the coca leaf contains a number of other alkaloids, including methylecgonine cinnamate, benzoylecgonine, truxilline, hydroxytropacocaine, tropacocaine, ecgonine, cuscohygrine, dihydrocuscohygrine, and hygrine."

This of course, are just some of the more studied and well known alkaloids inside coca plant.

[Asia P]

23 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Everything that increases stress response (adrenaline) will revive and intensify habitual patterns. Very mental people, with a tendency to OCD, to rumination, are rich in adrenaline (or histamine...)

This is true, that's why i'm not sure how deep a coca trip could go...

[Davino]

5 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It seems like you want to experience something because you want to, but since you are afraid of it or at least full of guilt, you sweeten your desire by changing cocaine to "coca leaf chewed by the natives" and then adding "people do it for fun, while I do it to meditate cross-legged, it's serious".

I gravitate towards this interpretation

@Asia P Just do what you want. Try all drugs and see what they do in your body, mind and Consciousness. Then you know what is good for what and what is bad for what. Trying once doesn't hurt, it's addiction, dependence and overdose what represents a problem.

 

[Schizophonia]

33 minutes ago, Asia P said:

wikipedia says:

"Besides cocaine, the coca leaf contains a number of other alkaloids, including methylecgonine cinnamate, benzoylecgonine, truxilline, hydroxytropacocaine, tropacocaine, ecgonine, cuscohygrine, dihydrocuscohygrine, and hygrine."

This of course, are just some of the more studied and well known alkaloids inside coca plant.

Are they significantly psychoactive ?  

Also more is not better, it will just be a different pharmacology.

Nevermind

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Asia P said:

 

"Besides cocaine, the coca leaf contains a number of other alkaloids, including methylecgonine cinnamate, benzoylecgonine, truxilline, hydroxytropacocaine, tropacocaine, ecgonine, cuscohygrine, dihydrocuscohygrine, and hygrine."

 

 

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Are they significantly psychoactive ?  

Also more is not better, it will just be a different pharmacology.

Nevermind

shouldn't cocaine powder contain also those alkaloids though ? 

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

 

shouldn't cocaine powder contain also those alkaloids though ? 

No, it’s supposed to be very pure before being cut with random products.

[Javfly33]

On 4/9/2024 at 11:05 PM, Schizophonia said:

No, it’s supposed to be very pure before being cut with random products.

But I mean how the hell they are able to separate the cocaine alkaloid from the other alkaloids in a rudimental jungle lab? 🤣🤣

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

But I mean how the hell they are able to separate the cocaine alkaloid from the other alkaloids in a rudimental jungle lab? 🤣🤣

Lol, ofc.

And in Africa there are only poor people, sand and coconut trees; it is well known.

Edited September 6 by Schizophonia

[Asia P]

@Javfly33 

 

Edited September 7 by Asia P

[Asia P]

On 06/09/2024 at 6:55 PM, Javfly33 said:

But I mean how the hell they are able to separate the cocaine alkaloid from the other alkaloids in a rudimental jungle lab? 🤣🤣

cocaine is usually synthesized in laboratories

[Javfly33]

@Asia P you sure?😂

minute 1:57 - 2:20

You guys have probably watched too much Breaking bad 😂 @Schizophonia

 

Edited September 7 by Javfly33