Does God Exist?

[Davino]

Just now, Spiritual Warfare said:

Perhaps, but we could easily be deceived. What I seek is compelling evidence that demonstrates our connection to the source.

If you want fish, you'll have to get your ass wet

Spanish proverb

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Davino said:

@Spiritual Warfare You won't realize God by this approach. It's like trying to put the whole ocean in a bucket.

Do psychedelics seriously and long enough, then maybe you'll get lucky and have a glimpse into the nature of God

How can we genuinely ascertain the nature of all things? Please provide compelling evidence that suggests God could not exist in isolation, followed by the act of creation.

[Hojo]

@Spiritual WarfareIf we were building a staircase thats like asking for me to build the 3rd step before the 2nd step. You cant do that the 3rd step would become the second step and it would break the staircase. You are looking for the second step and you are already there anything added makes it not it.

Edited September 3 by Hojo

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Davino said:

If you want fish, you'll have to get your ass wet

Spanish proverb

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[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Spiritual WarfareIf we were building a staircase thats like asking for me to build the 3rd step before the 2nd step. You cant do that the 3rd step would become the second step and it wouldnt work.

What do you mean? God is eternal.

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

How can we genuinely ascertain the nature of all things?

By becoming Infinitely Conscious

Psychedelics help in that pursuit.

Once one is Infinitely conscious one sees, that Reality is One and Infinite, therefore all things are distinctions within one's mind.

You lack consciousness, that's the bottleneck and no amount of intelligence or thought will bypass it.

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

Please provide compelling evidence that suggests God could not exist in isolation, followed by the act of creation.

How do you define God?

I can't speak if I don't know what are you pointing towards

[Hojo]

@Spiritual WarfareIf you were the 2nd step in the staircase and you look around and you say this staircase is fucked up there is no second step here. the other stairs on the staircase are like hey man you are the second step. You are like prove to me the second step exists! The 3rd stair says I cant show you the 2nd step exists you have to stop thinking and be the second step for it to exist. The second step says demonstrate that!

 

?????

Unless this is a message of God to me then I cannot demonstate that to you.

Edited September 3 by Hojo

[r0ckyreed]

God is a social construct, but the Universe isn’t.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

By becoming Infinitely Conscious

Psychedelics help in that pursuit.

Once one is Infinitely conscious one sees, that Reality is One and Infinite, therefore all things are distinctions within one's mind.

You lack consciousness, that's the bottleneck and no amount of intelligence or thought will bypass it.

How do you define God?

I can't speak if I don't know what are you pointing towards

I understand your perspective. What I'm asking is: why can’t we conceive of God as having always existed in a particular form, with the surrounding space being nonexistent? This would imply that God cannot utilize space to create. Can you illustrate whether this notion is possible or not? If you assert that God embodies existence without boundaries, then I would appreciate an explanation of why that is the only conceivable nature for God to possess.

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, r0ckyreed said:

God is a social construct, but the Universe isn’t.

Demonstrate to me how we are interconnected with the universe. Why is it inconceivable that the universe could possess its own form, while the space surrounding it is deemed nonexistent?

[Spiritual Warfare]

7 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Spiritual WarfareIf you were the 2nd step in the staircase and you look around and you say this staircase is fucked up there is no second step here. the other stairs on the staircare are like hey man you are the second step. You are like prove to me the second step exists! The 3rd stair says I cant show you the 2nd step exists you have to stop thinking and be the second step for it to exist. The second step says demonstrate that!

 

?????

That does not clarify how we all originate from the same source.

[Hojo]

@Spiritual Warfare Your entire body is inside of it. Even the inside of your body. Even your brain is inside of it. Thats like saying prove to me my kidney isnt connected to my body. You are inside the universe bro.

Edited September 3 by Hojo

[LastThursday]

2 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

God is a social construct, but the Universe isn’t.

All words are a social construct including: Universe.

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Spiritual Warfare Your entire body is inside of it. Even the inside of your body. Even your brain is part of it.

Perhaps, but the truth is that we simply do not know.

[Hojo]

@Spiritual Warfare then why are you asking for a demonstration? Why do you want to know anything?

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

why can’t we conceive of God as having always existed in a particular form, with the surrounding space being nonexistent?

Because that is not God

Form must die. It's impermanent. Look arround you, reality is in a constant flux, for God to be in a particular form would be for God to be limited, as form implies limitation and distinction. 

God or Reality is an Infinite Shape Shifting Experience. See?

4 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

If you assert that God embodies existence without boundaries, then I would appreciate an explanation of why that is the only conceivable nature for God to possess.

God does not embody existence, God IS Existence

You're trying to limit God by form or by creation or by whatever you come up. But all that you propose is deeply unintelligent and Reality is Infinetely intelligent and perfect. Therefore the most brilliant design that existence could be is exactly this one. God is Absolutely Infinite, whatever is happening now is God, all the infinite permutations of experience and Reality is God. 

[Spiritual Warfare]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Spiritual Warfare then why are you asking for a demonstration? Why do you want to know anything?

I seek undeniable evidence; I am not interested in what merely appears to be the most logical explanation. I want tangible proof.

[Hojo]

@Spiritual Warfare Okay you just said we do not know. Feel the qualia of that statement. The qualia of not knowing. That is nothing that is God. There is a demonstration right there. Everything has a qualia not knowing is the qualia of God. God is revealing itself to you right there.

You dont want to know is the problem.

If you were seeking not knowing would be a problem to you and it would scare you really really really really bad.

Edited September 3 by Hojo

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Spiritual Warfare said:

I seek undeniable evidence; I am not interested in what merely appears to be the most logical explanation. I want tangible proof.

Proof is a subset of Truth

This was proven my mathematician and logist Kurt Godel

Proof is a subset of Reality

There are immense problems with proving things, you take the whole notiong of "tangible proof" for granted. Contemplate what proof actually is, this is multiple year contemplation question.

How can I proof to you that Reality exists?

Well it obviously does, this is it, now I can play with it and make petty proofs

Edited September 3 by Davino

[Spiritual Warfare]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

Because that is not God

Form must die. It's impermanent. Look arround you, reality is in a constant flux, for God to be in a particular form would be for God to be limited, as form implies limitation and distinction. 

God or Reality is an Infinite Shape Shifting Experience. See?

God does not embody existence, God IS Existence

You're trying to limit God by form or by creation or by whatever you come up. But all that you propose is deeply unintelligent and Reality is Infinetely intelligent and perfect. Therefore the most brilliant design that existence could be is exactly this one. God is Absolutely Infinite, whatever is happening now is God, all the infinite permutations of experience and Reality is God. 

It is not limiting, as God possesses the power to do as it wishes and can manifest as formlessness. However, you assume that God must be unlimited, which is not necessarily true; God could have existed in a specific form, and that form may always endure. You must provide an explanation of why forms are destined to perish and cannot be eternal.