Why do people commit suicide from existential perspective?

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

But what if it's not?

You're smart enough to know that it can't be disproven.    Maybe for a reason.

 That is a non-sequitur. Solipsism is the position that only I exist as a real self and objective reality is a figment of my imagination..what does that have to do with what comes after death as an example? 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 That is a non-sequitur. Solipsism is the position that only I exist as a real self and objective reality is a figment of my imagination..what does that have to do with what comes after death as an exarelationzmple? 

It means that your relationship with death is solo as God.

[Someone here]

48 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It means that your relationship with death is solo as God.

Which makes it all even more terrible and terrifying..thanks for ruining my day 😅

[gettoefl]

I also think this is an important consideration too:

In the dark of unfathomable despair, when one's pain feels most merciless

it is crucial to remember that that the regret and guilt you might hold for your time here

for the unhelpful decisions made by yourself and others

is set to reverberate a thousand-fold in those left to the aftermath

They will be haunted by the relentless, ever-present question—'Where should I have acted differently?'

a suffocating boulder that constricts their hearts

and leaves a gruesome never-waning blight on their existence

irreversibly eating at them with a grief likely never to ease up

 

[Atb210201]

4 hours ago, gettoefl said:

I also think this is an important consideration too:

In the dark of unfathomable despair, when one's pain feels most merciless

it is crucial to remember that that the regret and guilt you might hold for your time here

for the unhelpful decisions made by yourself and others

is set to reverberate a thousand-fold in those left to the aftermath

They will be haunted by the relentless, ever-present question—'Where should I have acted differently?'

a suffocating boulder that constricts their hearts

and leaves a gruesome never-waning blight on their existence

irreversibly eating at them with a grief likely never to ease up

 

Yes it's actually when there is absolutely no hope of a better future or any possible change in the future

So it's in another sense just hopelessness that makes one decide to end it right there

[gettoefl]

35 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes it's actually when there is absolutely no hope of a better future or any possible change in the future

So it's in another sense just hopelessness that makes one decide to end it right there

My agony has been multiplied one thousand times through the loved ones who live on

and now are sentenced to a ever more hollow guilt ridden ghost like tear filled existence

[Inliytened1]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

Which makes it all even more terrible and terrifying..thanks for ruining my day 😅

I didn't mean to, sorry about that bud.  I was just presenting a different perspective.  Of course it's difficult to live from that perspective.   Even if this is a dream - depression exists within the dream - and people unfortunately take their own lives.  But from the Absolute perspective no one has ever died if it's all a dream.  It should actually alleviate the fear of death not make it worse.  

[Atb210201]

23 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

My agony has been multiplied one thousand times through the loved ones who live on

and now are sentenced to a ever more hollow guilt ridden ghost like tear filled existence

Beautifully said

[Human Mint]

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

You make zero sense.

Can you explain suicide? Or you're just above it?

[Yimpa]

My therapist would kill me if I told them that suicide is imaginary.

They couldn't even handle me saying that I am no different than the walls.

[Someone here]

14 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

But from the Absolute perspective no one has ever died if it's all a dream.  It should actually alleviate the fear of death not make it worse.  

OK help me set this straight ..you're saying :

life is a dream..therefore its illusory..therefore death itself is a dream . But so what ? Imagine that you're having a nightmare in a nightly dream and you are being raped and tortured and even burned or castrated..now I come to you in your dream and tell you: hey! This is all a dream .don't worry. Etc

That doesn't help ..I understand that everyone and everything is being dreamt up on the fly RIGHT FUCKING NOW and so there is actually no such thing as yesterday or no such thing as WW2 or Hitler's holocaust etc..but this is only from the absolute perspective as you said . So please tell yourself that when you are suffering and contemplating suicide and see that it doesn't alleviate the suffering. 

Edited September 3 by Someone here

[Someone here]

Not to sound pessimistic..I'm just saying..both life &death don't actually present peace and happiness. I'm not depressed  . But I'm really bumped out by the suicide of the user Buba and his suffering with continuous unexplainable pain . Like what kind of sick God created this shithole called this life ? In life you are suffering and the more you age the worse it gets . Now what's the other option?  Killing yourself ? It doesn't really matter cuz you gonna die in the end anyways and death itself is such a mind boggling existential dilemma that makes you piss and shit your pants just by thinking about ..let alone actually dying.  It seems to me that we are stuck and there is no salvation in any form of existence. 

[gettoefl]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

Not to sound pessimistic..I'm just saying..both life &death don't actually present peace and happiness. I'm not depressed  . But I'm really bumped out by the suicide of the user Buba and his suffering with continuous unexplainable pain . Like what kind of sick God created this shithole called this life ? In life you are suffering and the more you age the worse it gets . Now what's the other option?  Killing yourself ? It doesn't really matter cuz you gonna die in the end anyways and death itself is such a mind boggling existential dilemma that makes you piss and shit your pants just by thinking about ..let alone actually dying.  It seems to me that we are stuck and there is no salvation in any form of existence. 

First off, it’s key to come to terms with the hard cold inevitability of death. I am highlighting the fleetingness of life and the finality of death. As we advance in years and the challenges of life become more troublesome, it’s wise that one be mentally and emotionally prepared for the last. I advocate that whether proceeding through natural means or physician-assisted approaches, one needs to get on board with actively organizing the closing out of life here and taking into one's own hands personally sought out methods of how we handle the journey beyond.

While still healthy, vibrant and energetic, it’s imperative to live with an unceasing awareness of one's mortality. Recognize that the body will inevitably decline over time, and rather than ignore this process, we can allow it as a natural part of life. By sensitively attuning to the pain and discomfort that comes with aging, we gradually become more comfortable with the idea of death and the imminence of death.

I also suggest treating each day as a wonderful opportunity to prepare for what is approaching. See each sun-rise as a gift, knowing you’ve been gifted the greatest of gifts - one more day of experiencing life. In doing so, try to treat each day as an absolute miracle, embracing existence in its fulness while also accepting the quiet slowing down that accompanies aging. Allow yourself a little quiet time to "die a little" each day, especially when you sleep at night, so that when the time comes, you are ready to meet the last chapter with grace, satisfaction and acceptance.

Edited September 3 by gettoefl

[PurpleTree]

they just “had it up to here” with suffering imo and see no way out

i wonder if i got for example and dementia diagnosis would i just end it? 

[PurpleTree]

when hitler killed himself

thousands (or hundred thousands) germans also killed themselves

 

(just a random fact because i read it in a book yesterday)

Edited September 4 by PurpleTree

[Keryo Koffa]

Physical, Conceptual, or even Ego-Suicide
We don't know what comes after, nor aware of why we're here
Suicide means to end the nature of the current experience
It is rather foolish not to exhaust all of one's options first
But nothing is ever foolish if you embody the perspective

"A suicide may bring about his own death because he rejects existence on any but highly specific terms chosen by himself. Many others, however, choose to deny experience while within the physical system, committing suicide quite as effectively while still physically alive."

[Yimpa]

Omg... Linkin Park is back after being gone for 7 years!!!

The lead singer is now a WOMAN!

Edited September 5 by Yimpa

[Yimpa]

Happy Suicide Prevention Month!

[Inliytened1]

On 9/2/2024 at 3:29 PM, Yimpa said:

My therapist would kill me if I told them that suicide is imaginary.

They couldn't even handle me saying that I am no different than the walls.

Then don't tell them 😀

[Yimpa]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Then don't tell them 😀

On second thought, our work/relationship is maturing at record pace. They are becoming more open to the truth.