Why do people commit suicide from existential perspective?

[Inliytened1]

On 8/29/2024 at 6:33 AM, Someone here said:

My theory is that I can only commit suicide if the pain of living is bigger than the fear of the unknown of death ..I mean let's fucking face it ..you'd shit your pants if someone pointed a gun towards your head and you'd turn into a complete pu**y...I'm just being as honest and blunt as possible because I need an explanation. How can someone's suffering be greater than the "nightmarish " fear of death ? Anyone have any explanation from a philosophical perspective? 

Its like You still have an attachment for life .  Killing the body is no guarantee of less suffering. That’s a projection-based story you’re telling yourself. Do you want to deal with suffering in an existence you at least  understand and can control to a certain degree?...or are you feeling lucky and ready to gamble on what comes after death by commiting suicide? It’s all just a guessing game really. 

Most people who commit suicide actually aren't thinking that deep.  They just feel like their current situation is helpless and they feel like there is no way out.   They don't know about spirituality or awakening, or anything like that.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura i mean sometimes like you said it's a trick of the mind making people believe that the situation will never improve when in fact it is false 

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura i mean sometimes like you said it's a trick of the mind making people believe that the situation will never improve when in fact it is false 

Yeah, but we're not really in a position to know which is which.

[Atb210201]

7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Really you did seriously? I imagine that someone who does it will be because they see life as a complete void, without any meaning, only darkness, desperation, being trapped. Going through a moment like this must be extremely hard.

Yes I did some years ago

You are right but it's like a growing issue which feeds itself until you finally decide to end things and that is only because you see no other meaningful thing in your life to live for because if anyone sees any meaning in anything to live for they wouldn't do it ever

So it's only in the times when you don't find meaning in anything anymore someone who is considering suicide must only find meanings in their life in order to keep living

[UnbornTao]

Suicide seems to be an attempt at being acknowledged and at feeling on top of life rather than at the effect of it.

It is either meant to demonstrate how much you've been hurt or to avoid what is considered to be unbearable emotional pain. Often it is actually an attempt to survive, just a dysfunctional and foolish one.

Edited September 2 by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

Why do people not commit suicide from existential perspective?

[Davino]

@UnbornTao It's very different an attempt of suicide from an actually planned suicide.

What you have said applies to the attempt of suicide. People really research how to kill themselves, they know what yields the results and what doesn't. So they decide to not cross the edge but play with the line. 

About actually pulling the trigger I don't consider what you say to apply.

[Beans]

As someone who was/is suicidal.

i struggled with the understanding of why I must suffer so much. And why my siblings and I must go through so much unspeakable pain. I still struggle with finding a will to live. Part of me says I’m a failure, but the other part of me wants to live. 
it is a constant battle between the two. One of self destruction. And you would think from someone who’s survived through so much trauma I wouldn’t crave instability. Though somewhere deep inside me. I suppose I do. Even though my conscious self tells me “that’s insane and stupid why would someone ever do that?”

Theres the subconscious. 
“It hurts… this is what you deserve.” 
“you are nothing and you always have been nothing”

”you are better off dead”

”you serve no purpose”

Craving violence and destruction. 
 

as a child I was never like this. I was probably the happiest, sweetest kid you could ever meet. I was the happiest with my grandfather. And not a day goes that I don’t think of him. Not even my biological father, but someone who raised me as if he was. 
he didn’t even say much, but you could tell in his own little ways that he cared. 
and he himself suffered in so much silence. 
becoming sick with stage four cancer. He refused treatment and still continued smoking his cigarettes. 
when he passed even the smell of the cigarette would trigger me breaking into a million pieces. 
the first time I smoked those cigarettes myself my body trembled and began shaking violently. 
when I began smoking I didn’t really care for my life either. The shaking felt as if my grandfather was shaking me. Felt as if he was upset with me. Trying to shake me free from this sick twisted product. Every blue moon I’ll have a cigarette but every time I do. I know he’s scolding me. I cannot help it tata (my grandpa) please forgive me. 
 

 

I still feel like a failure. 
I still feel trapped.

i still feel confused. 
To answer your question 

i was born without the fear of the dark

ive never been afraid of death and still till this day I’m not afraid 

dying to me feels like the easiest option. In this Ive romanticize that in death I’ll be reunited with my loved ones. 
whom actually love me.

I’ve welcome death with open arms. And ask for her to be gentle with my soul. 
To give me directions on where I can find my real home again. 
(https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=L0zed4pqLFk&si=JMi0XObB8g5T33Rd)

Edited September 2 by Beans

[Atb210201]

56 minutes ago, Beans said:

As someone who was/is suicidal.

i struggled with the understanding of why I must suffer so much. And why my siblings and I must go through so much unspeakable pain. I still struggle with finding a will to live. Part of me says I’m a failure, but the other part of me wants to live. 
it is a constant battle between the two. One of self destruction. And you would think from someone who’s survived through so much trauma I wouldn’t crave instability. Though somewhere deep inside me. I suppose I do. Even though my conscious self tells me “that’s insane and stupid why would someone ever do that?”

Theres the subconscious. 
“It hurts… this is what you deserve.” 
“you are nothing and you always have been nothing”

”you are better off dead”

”you serve no purpose”

Craving violence and destruction. 
 

as a child I was never like this. I was probably the happiest, sweetest kid you could ever meet. I was the happiest with my grandfather. And not a day goes that I don’t think of him. Not even my biological father, but someone who raised me as if he was. 
he didn’t even say much, but you could tell in his own little ways that he cared. 
and he himself suffered in so much silence. 
becoming sick with stage four cancer. He refused treatment and still continued smoking his cigarettes. 
when he passed even the smell of the cigarette would trigger me breaking into a million pieces. 
the first time I smoked those cigarettes myself my body trembled and began shaking violently. 
when I began smoking I didn’t really care for my life either. The shaking felt as if my grandfather was shaking me. Felt as if he was upset with me. Trying to shake me free from this sick twisted product. Every blue moon I’ll have a cigarette but every time I do. I know he’s scolding me. I cannot help it tata (my grandpa) please forgive me. 
 

 

I still feel like a failure. 
I still feel trapped.

i still feel confused. 
To answer your question 

i was born without the fear of the dark

ive never been afraid of death and still till this day I’m not afraid 

dying to me feels like the easiest option. In this Ive romanticize that in death I’ll be reunited with my loved ones. 
whom actually love me.

I’ve welcome death with open arms. And ask for her to be gentle with my soul. 
To give me directions on where I can find my real home again. 
(https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=L0zed4pqLFk&si=JMi0XObB8g5T33Rd)

That's a great touching story I can empathise with you because I was/is suicidal sometimes but I know now my life is not mine to take it's for God He gave it to me and He will take it away from me when He decides

So as long as I'm alive He needs me to be alive thats why I'm not dead yet because God needs me alive for some reason in this world.

Edited September 1 by Atb210201

[gettoefl]

Suicide is the most shattering mark you can make on the world around you

an unanswerable response to the unmanageable pain that defined your reality

making for an unrecoverable and unhealable lose-lose situation

where the immense amount you suffer pales in comparison to

the unthinkable and unremitting devastation and woundedness of those left behind

they are now denied life

way more than you were

Edited September 1 by gettoefl

[UnbornTao]

@Davino I didn't mean thinking about suicide.

Why would it be an attempt to survive? It's an interesting perspective. 

Edited September 3 by UnbornTao

[Davino]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Why would it be an attempt to survive? It's an interesting perspective. 

Most teenagers attempt suicide as a desperate call for help

Adults do it for more complex reasons, from asking for help to manipulation and even to push the edge and feel "something"

It's rare for an adult to actually plan its own death but actually "fail" in the execution. Normally it's a planned attempt of suicide not a planned suicide, this distinction is nuanced and important.

Edited September 1 by Davino

[Beans]

6 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Suicide is the most shattering mark you can make on the world around you

an unanswerable response to the unmanageable pain that defined your reality

making for an unrecoverable and unhealable lose-lose situation

where the immense amount you suffer pales in comparison to

the unthinkable and unremitting devastation and woundedness of those left behind

they are now denied life

way more than you were

As someone who was struggling. 
reading this did something. In a world where people don’t understand. I truly feel like people such as yourself with this perspective is actually beneficial, fruitful and meaningful. 
you quite literally hit the bullseye. Thank you for sharing this. While clouded with my thoughts of depression and anxiety, your comment and perspective gave me clarity I needed. Instead of hindering me. I think a lot of the time people see it as a selfish, and weak action. 
for me personally. 
I don’t see it like that at all. That goes to say I don’t glorify it as well. I just see it as an act of drowning. Some people freeze, some people criticize, some people die. 
 

And some people act.

which I feel you’ve done with this fruitful perspective. 
 

so thank you, for sharing. 

[Beans]

10 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Suicide seems to be an attempt at being acknowledged and at feeling on top of life rather than at the effect of it.

It is either meant to demonstrate how much you've been hurt or to avoid what is considered to be unbearable emotional pain. Often it is actually an attempt to survive, just a dysfunctional and foolish one.

just to be clear. 
people don’t commit suicide as an attempt to be acknowledged. 
it’s also not to avoid pain. 
it is about ending the misery.
suicide is not a foolish act. 
it’s complicated. 
people have their own reasons for doing things. 
and if it doesn’t make sense consider yourself absolutely blessed to never have been in the misfortune to the point where you complicate taking your own life.

in a world consumed by violence, anger and chaos. I think it’s counterproductive to criticize what some may not and don’t understand.  
  
life is already difficult. 
no shade or hate. 
just a little irritated. About this misconception.

suicide has never been about attention seeking behavior. 
 

it is about ending pain and misery. 

Edited September 2 by Beans

[Human Mint]

Suicide is not an individual problem but a collective one. And the best analogy to understand it is to picture a person burning alive, it would be actually very wise to put a bullet in his/her head.

[Inliytened1]

24 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

Suicide is not an individual problem but a collective one. And the best analogy to understand it is to picture a person burning alive, it would be actually very wise to put a bullet in his/her head.

You make zero sense.

[Someone here]

Thanks for everyone for the sharing of perspectives . I unfortunately (obviously) can't help but  gloss over them all ..I can't respond to all that .

I just want to share some thoughts on the subject..I think I understand why would a person choose to take his life away if he is going through unresolvable suffering which he knows for absolute certainty that it is never going to end as long as he is alive ..so as Leo have said ..suffering +hopelessness seems to be the equation at play . So does that mean that the following :

if I lose hope completely I will also lose fear of death absolutely and decide to jump into the midst of the unknown(death)? Umm..to me still..this doesn't make sense..seriously..death is so scary this ain't no joke it's a jump into the Absolute horror of idk how to describe it ..but death terrifies the absolute shit out of me that I would still choose to gamble on hopeless suffering in this world than to die and ..(who the fuck knows what's going on here)..to risk eternal suffering that might be waiting for you after death!.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Thanks for everyone for the sharing of perspectives . I unfortunately (obviously) can't help but  gloss over them all ..I can't respond to all that .

I just want to share some thoughts on the subject..I think I understand why would a person choose to take his life away if he is going through unresolvable suffering which he knows for absolute certainty that it is never going to end as long as he is alive ..so as Leo have said ..suffering +hopelessness seems to be the equation at play . So does that mean that the following :

if I lose hope completely I will also lose fear of death absolutely and decide to jump into the midst of the unknown(death)? Umm..to me still..this doesn't make sense..seriously..death is so scary this ain't no joke it's a jump into the Absolute horror of idk how to describe it ..but death terrifies the absolute shit out of me that I would still choose to gamble on hopeless suffering in this world than to die and ..(who the fuck knows what's going on here)..to risk eternal suffering that might be waiting for you after death!.

If solipsism is true its only you and suicide is imaginary. 

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

If solipsism is true its only you and suicide is imaginary. 

What if solipsism is a big crock of dogshit? 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What if solipsism is a big crock of dogshit? 

But what if it's not?

You're smart enough to know that it can't be disproven.    Maybe for a reason.