Who Loves Post-Modernism? - New Video

[jakee]

What are the positive and negative consequences, or virtues and pathologies of pomo. Not just philosophically or epistemicly, but in a cultural space (cinema, media, art, architecture, science, political movements etc.)

Is postmodern art just self-aware, pretentious, taping banana to the wall type of business, or is there something more profound and beautiful going on? 

Is pomo able to integrate authentic spirituality into culture? Is it holistic and meta enough to do that, or is something like integral or metamodernity needed here?

Edited August 28 by jakee

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Davino said:

In what ways Post Modernism is revolutionary? What real world applications does it have? What areas in human affairs would be most transformed by PM if properly understood?

How can we build ladders for society to grow up to PM? In the same way, how can we grow beyond PM? (Referencing previous models and work we have done)

What does Post Modernism say about language? What about science?

What are the traps of PM?

Post modernism seems to englobe areas beyond philosophy, like art or architecture. How is all of it related? What is at the core of the Post Modernism movement?

Just some half-baked brainstorming, in case it is of any value.

Very good questions.

[Leo Gura]

Ask more questions!

[Meliodas]

How is the concept of Holons / contexts within contexts related to PM ? 
Are there good and bad ways to do and undertake PM philosophy ? 
How can PM philosophy be done ? 
What are limits of PM ? What lies beyond the limits ?
Which parts of the world have a high percentage of the people who have the level of development where they can do PM  ? 
What are the bounds of contexts when we do PM philosophy ?
How to apply PM to different areas like science , Political Theory ,  Sociology etc. ?
How can PM deter or advance in helping humans to do better philosophy ?

[Keryo Koffa]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ask more questions!

How far does Post-Modernism stretch, is it everything after orange or the Deconstructionism before Yellow?

[Ulax]

19 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

I draw the line at Spiral Metanics Stage 3

After that, you're just an Alien God screwing around 😂

i agree. All those spiral metanics stage 3 folks just strike me as pretentious...

[Ulax]

On a sincere note, i would be curious to hear about how to reason in light of post-modernism. For me personally I studied law at university, so i would keen to hear perspectives on how to do legal reasoning. Some perspectives on postmodernism legal reasoning can be found in the Critical legal studies movement. 

But, for me, a lot of my interest in that just comes down to the question of how to judge how one argument is better than another. So, yeah, again, my main interest is 'What is the relationship between reasoning and post-modernism?'

Edited August 28 by Ulax

[Extreme Z7]

How does PM become dangerous?

What are the aspects of reality that PM ignores?

In what ways can PM be exploited by selfish egos?

[Thought Art]

- How does Post Modernism relate to things like The Perennial Philosophy, and integral meta theory. Does it reject them outright?

 

- How could incorporating Absolute Truth and Awakening improve post modernism?

- How could post modern ideas be useful in political discussion or world view development and conflict resolution?

- What does Post Modernisms use of irony and parody say about the development or the movement?

- How does this relate to Derrida, and what are the implications of PM thinking when it comes to paradox, self reference and science 

- Is challenging dominant norms truly post modern? 
 

- Where are the limitations and traps of post modernism? 
 

- Is this a result of stage green thinking? Or is it stage green thinking 

- what is modernism? 

Edited August 28 by Thought Art

[rachMiel]

Those who are interested in metamodernism should hie themselves over to Brandon's channel: https://www.youtube.com/@BrendanGrahamDempsey. He and his merry band are attempting to build a metamodern 'religion' from the ground up! 

[Thought Art]

Oh! And could post modernist idealogy lead to rampant liberalism, or, nihilism, or confusion?

[integral]

What is not PM. How does PM show up in someones love life, relationships with people, what does life mean to them, or are all of these personal experiences not PM. How does PM shape some one’s everyday life, not just ideology and beliefs 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, rachMiel said:

build a metamodern 'religion'

Oh God!

[mmKay]

chatGPT on post modernism and music

 

Music, though expressed differently across cultures, is anchored in universal principles like the mathematical relationship between frequencies that form the basis of the circle of fifths. For instance, the interval of a perfect fifth, such as from C to G, is rooted in a 3:2 frequency ratio. This isn’t arbitrary; it’s a fundamental aspect of how sound waves interact, making certain combinations of notes sound harmonious across cultures.

Postmodernism, which challenges absolute truths and emphasizes the relativity of cultural constructs, rightly points out that much of what we consider “standard” in music—like Western scales and notation—are social constructs. For example, the Western major scale (Do-Re-Mi) is just one way to organize pitch; other cultures use entirely different scales, such as the pentatonic scale common in East Asian music.

However, postmodernism can go too far by implying that all musical interpretations are equally valid, ignoring the objective aspects of music. For instance, the perception of consonance (how "pleasant" a combination of notes sounds) isn’t purely subjective. Studies show that even infants, regardless of cultural background, tend to prefer consonant intervals over dissonant ones, indicating a universal cognitive basis.

Moreover, while postmodernism often deconstructs established musical norms, it sometimes fails to offer viable alternatives. For example, rejecting traditional tonality without understanding the structures that make it effective can lead to music that lacks coherence or emotional impact. In the 20th century, some avant-garde composers pushed against tonal conventions, resulting in atonal music. While this expanded the boundaries of musical expression, it also risked alienating listeners who found the lack of familiar structure disorienting.

Postmodernism in music argues that any sound can be considered music, expanding beyond traditional definitions.

In summary, while postmodernism provides crucial critiques, it should recognize the objective, universal elements in music, like the mathematical foundations of harmony and the shared human experience of sound. These elements are essential in understanding why certain musical structures resonate across different cultures and why music remains a powerful, unifying force globally.

 

A hilarious mental picture is a post-modernist listening to construction noise to relax after a long day of work in deconstruction 

( The joke is they argue that everything's music. Deconstruction pun was initially not intended)

Edited August 29 by mmKay

[rachMiel]

 

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

build a metamodern 'religion'

 

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Oh God!

Exakkley! 

[Terell Kirby]

Excellent quote to maybe include in intro @Leo Gura

”A writer who says that there are no truths, or that all truth is ‘merely relative’, is asking you not to believe him. So don’t.” - English philosopher Roger Scruton

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura How post modernism can be applied to personal development and philosophy ? - The question that I want in your video to be answered .

[ryandesreu]

There are a few different topics that you have mentioned creating videos on recently. Can you give a few specific examples of what inspired you to choose postmodernism? Also, what parts of understanding PM do you think will help your audience, and what do you hope to learn from making this video?

[Leo Gura]

@ryandesreu I've been working on this PM episode since last year.

I had a huge breakthrough in my comprehension of what PM is and how to explain it deeply.

This is not just about PM, it's about a very deep understanding of reality.

Edited August 29 by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

Personally I haven't studied the formal post-modernism philosophy. What I do know is that when I grasped the true nature of Meaning, Value and Purpose, I fell into a Dark Night of the Soul of pure relativism for a good 2-3 years in my early 20s before trascending it

This relativism stuff is no joke. It can seriously destabilize your mind, your life and your identity.  I have a lot of empathy for why people have a knee-jerk reaction against it.

What if your life is a house of cards that can crumble with a little shaking of your fundations?