Surrender, Love will welcome you

[Keryo Koffa]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

I loved my son so much so much so much. But, As you know after my son deasese, I totally realize that nothing NOTHING under my control, and I totally say fuck it. I can not control anything and let go. Because, literally I have no control whatsoever. Why this effort, struggle, endeavour, for what? I don't give a shit, if I die now. I stopped even looking a mirror. 

 

[Javfly33]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What other option could be?

The end of the game.

But for that you have to stop seeing value in the game at all. 

Personally I don´t think this is worth anything. I don´t think this Is worth anything but because certain maturity is not there in the intelligence, this keeps going. The wheel keeps rolling. 

I mean the day the sun shines you think the game is wonderful, but the next day the storm comes and takes away everything and you realize, what is the point of this endless ups and downs.

Edited August 27 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

The end of the game.

But for that you have to stop seeing value in the game at all. 

Personally I don´t think this is worth anything. I don´t think this Is worth anything but because certain maturity is not there in the intelligence, this keeps going. The wheel keeps rolling. 

I mean the day the sun shines you think the game is wonderful, but the next day the storm comes and takes away everything and you realize, what is the point of this endless ups and downs.

You can't scape of being human while you are, then you have to try to balance your experience and be as open as you can. There are necessary things like eating, having a house, not being a slave, being able to communicate with people, that you cannot ignore. It is also a fun game, a challenge, why not accept it?

Another part is to balance your inner movement to be able to open your mind completely, this is the end of suffering, and requires being insightful. Where are the blocks, the evasive attitudes? How to make the subconscious conscious, like on a mushroom trip but all the time? Why do you hide things? break fear, open your being. So everything is there, you don't have an inner limit.

[Javfly33]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can't scape of being human while you are, then you have to try to balance your experience and be as open as you can. There are necessary things like eating, having a house, not being a slave, being able to communicate with people, that you cannot ignore. It is also a fun game, a challenge, why not accept it?

Another part is to balance your inner movement to be able to open your mind completely, this is the end of suffering, and requires being insightful. Where are the blocks, the evasive attitudes? How to make the subconscious conscious, like on a mushroom trip but all the time? Why do you hide things? break fear, open your being. So everything is there, you don't have an inner limit.

Yeah one can survive without the need of the unnecesary barriers.

I Talk about stopping the wheel but that do not come from evasion but from mastery of Life mechanics.

Once the wheel is stopped doesn't Matter if one is in the world or not, any way one is beyond it. 

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Once the wheel is stopped doesn't Matter if one is in the world or not, any way one is beyond it. 

I don't know, I can open myself for a while and then everything is closed again. It's a slow process that needs imo favourable external conditions. If tomorrow I go to the Ukrainian war, all that about opening will be forgotten. 

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, I can open myself for a while and then everything is closed again. It's a slow process that needs imo favourable external conditions. If tomorrow I go to the Ukrainian war, all that about opening will be forgotten. 

Unbearable pain is must to surrender. That's what happened to me. 

[Javfly33]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, I can open myself for a while and then everything is closed again. It's a slow process that needs imo favourable external conditions. If tomorrow I go to the Ukrainian war, all that about opening will be forgotten. 

Yeap thats why i was saying, ukranian war is the storm that makes the previous Sunny day be complete forgotten

But is true that ukranian war probably happens because of the colletive contraction and closure. 

When success or feeling enough means i have to be above other being, we end Up with this issues. That with our mental intelligence get much worse in proportion, compared to 2 tigers which the worst thing Will be slashing each other throats, but not wars in the proportions of humans.

 

@Breakingthewall Thats why I see the issue in accepting not being able to feel completely satisfied within without any external influence, that means you are going to have to get that satisfaction in the outside, and that means getting that job while the other Guy doesn't. And to get that women to the bed the other 20 have to stay at their home jerking off to porn. Thats where i see the issue with the perspective of external. 

Edited August 27 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Thats why I see the issue in accepting not being able to feel completely satisfied within without any external influence, that means you are going to have to get that satisfaction in the outside, and that means getting that job while the other Guy doesn't. And to get that women to the bed the other 20 have to stay at their home jerking off to porn. Thats where i see the issue with the perspective of external. 

That's

48 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

That's true, so for a whale, which is a peaceful being and of enormous beauty lives, has to kill several million small crustaceans per minute. It's how life is organized in this reality, then what is the solution, if it is one, to be fair? Every micro movement of your body takes the energy of other beings, if they are plants to produce them you have to destroy forests with millions of animals. This reality is like this, I don't see any possibility of being let's say peaceful, it's hypocrisy. Even the most peaceful kills millions. I used to try to fish, and I didn't like at all, I feel shit killing fishes that lives free in the ocean, then what? Being more or less vegetarian, try the most fair possibility, but being realistic we are destroying the planet, etc.....

[LambdaDelta]

58 minutes ago, James123 said:

Unbearable pain is must to surrender. That's what happened to me. 

True, had the same experience through an NDE with excruciating physical pain, then bliss followed. I think of it more like a one-off rite of passage, not necessary to go through it every time, these days I can surrender (deeply) almost on command and in daily life I'm far more peaceful too, but to a more limited degree as to not harm survival, which I'm still interested in for now.

[shree]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

His sickness is thyacardia. He is doing so so right now. But even that effect me so much. Moreover, we are talking and on path for years, this was the final cut for me to completely surrender. Nothing under my control, I gave up, I am literally no one, nobody, nothing. 

hi @James123

 

I can see you are still going through a tough time, and I'm truly sorry to hear about your son's suffering. I've been there too, and I understand how overwhelming it can feel. But it's important to remember that your son is deeply connected to you, he mirrors your emotions and behavior. Every vibe you put out, he picks up on. So, keep your head up, my friend. You've made it this far, and I believe you have the strength to keep pushing forward. I'm sending you and your family virtual blessings and positive energy. You’ve got this! 

[Javfly33]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's

That's true, so for a whale, which is a peaceful being and of enormous beauty lives, has to kill several million small crustaceans per minute. It's how life is organized in this reality, then what is the solution, if it is one, to be fair? Every micro movement of your body takes the energy of other beings, if they are plants to produce them you have to destroy forests with millions of animals. This reality is like this, I don't see any possibility of being let's say peaceful, it's hypocrisy. Even the most peaceful kills millions. I used to try to fish, and I didn't like at all, I feel shit killing fishes that lives free in the ocean, then what? Being more or less vegetarian, try the most fair possibility, but being realistic we are destroying the planet, etc.....

I guess is in doing it in the most conscious way possible.

But regarding the externality thing, I personally have no interest at all in what society has sold me. I would love to have courage in go live in the mountains and drip in the bliss and perfect oneness and loneliness, is not because technically I can´t. I can, I have a free house, remote job, and tools to achieve that and make it stronger and stronger in intensity the more I focused I do it.

But the focus is not there because the collective virus of externality has been programmed in the mind.

So I say no to that and keep running the wheel, and for this I will pay a price I know, it will take me x20 more time to get to the same place im going, just because I keep taking detours because of society and collective virus of trying to achieve completeness from external outcomes, because everybody within feels weak, the being within feels like is never enough so you have to go extract value and love from the outside.

And so the wheel keeps going. 

Edited August 28 by Javfly33

[James123]

12 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

True, had the same experience through an NDE with excruciating physical pain, then bliss followed. I think of it more like a one-off rite of passage, not necessary to go through it every time, these days I can surrender (deeply) almost on command and in daily life I'm far more peaceful too, but to a more limited degree as to not harm survival, which I'm still interested in for now.

As Rumi says;

Break your heart until it opens. 

[James123]

12 hours ago, shree said:

hi @James123

 

I can see you are still going through a tough time, and I'm truly sorry to hear about your son's suffering. I've been there too, and I understand how overwhelming it can feel. But it's important to remember that your son is deeply connected to you, he mirrors your emotions and behavior. Every vibe you put out, he picks up on. So, keep your head up, my friend. You've made it this far, and I believe you have the strength to keep pushing forward. I'm sending you and your family virtual blessings and positive energy. You’ve got this! 

Thank you very much for beautiful words brother. I am deeply appreciate and thankful to you. Thank you.  🙏 🙏 🙏 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

personally have no interest at all in what society has sold me.

I think that freedom is in the mind, independent where you are, although I suppose living in nature can help. For me, I like socializing, it's very interesting to see inside the people, and the city is the best for that. At the end our world is the matrix, not the nature, we born and grew in it. 

[Ishanga]

On 8/27/2024 at 7:45 AM, James123 said:

His sickness is thyacardia. He is doing so so right now. But even that effect me so much. Moreover, we are talking and on path for years, this was the final cut for me to completely surrender. Nothing under my control, I gave up, I am literally no one, nobody, nothing. 

The only thing really under your control is your response to whatever is happening. When You suffer, you are less able to make things in situations more empowering or better, when Your at Ease with it (Surrender or Acceptance) then Your more Empowered and able to make things better, that is all You can do. Your no good to your son when Your suffering inside, Your very good to your son when Your at Peace inside, that is all...

If You were no one and a nobody, then why all the fuss, why all the drama? Contemplate this, this sort of thinking is coming from ego for sure...

Feel Blessed that Your son is doing better, You all got thru it, don't see it as a negative or that You have no power to do something about it, you do, as I said above!

[James123]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

If You were no one and a nobody, then why all the fuss, why all the drama? Contemplate this, this sort of thinking is coming from ego for sure...

This is what completely surrendering is. You do what you do, but without any expectations for self, goal for self, etc.... for self.