Practical Dating Strategies & Mindsets - Orion Taraban

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

 

 

 You guys are too much on the internet/reddit.

Girlllllllls !.. (said with a retard voice)

[eos_nyxia]

19 hours ago, Lyubov said:

You guys just need to leave these shit holes like the USA and UK. There is absolutely no reason to ever start a family there or date an American or British woman. Their values are completely incompatible with what men actually want in a woman and the only women guys actually want in these countries like USA have commodified their sexuality and time so much and want a materialist life so much that the average man has been priced out. Hoeflation. The women from these feminist countries aren’t even pretty. And the ones that are have so much power in the dating market the vast majority of men have turned into simps. It’s unbelievably sad and dark to see. We used to have men that knew how to date and could get a pretty girl. Never have I seen so many men struggling. It’s fucked up. 

Russia, Colombia, Brasil, throw in something from Asia. These are the places is where you find a wife. Throw in the rest of Eastern Europe and Venezuela too (but it’s not a safe place).

Not these post feminist shit holes. 

Ah, yes. Let's go back to the good old days when women didn't have choices. Where if you're cheated on, you're just expected to deal with it "because men", where marital rape is legal and divorce was phenomenally difficult to obtain. You probably wouldn't like your choices taken away (whether you made questionable ones or not), so why would anyone else prefer it? What a bummer, you can't approach finding a partner the way you shop for a car or house these days. It's a two-way process and people aren't necessarily interested in helping you get yours if you don't already get it. And those who get it are already getting theirs, but you don't necessarily see them either. If it's not part of the mainstream cultural narrative and they're not talking, then you probably aren't seeing it. It doesn't mean that they don't exist though.

On a more practical note, to the issue you mentioned: the type of woman that a traditionalist might be interested in very much exists (at least in liberal suburbia, where I grew up), but 1) they tend to pair off very early, usually with people they grew up around, within their social circle. For a woman who is conservative-minded by nature: marrying outsiders where there isn't a good "culture fit" doesn't happen very often.  2) they're probably not lounging around in bars, clubs, etc., and there is a good chance that they're an introverted person with introverted interests. If you see them at a bar or club, there is a good chance that they're young, wanting to see what it's about, or being dragged there by a friend.   3) they're not necessarily living in a big city, doing big city things, so you won't see them there. 4) the women that many men tend to be drawn to, sexually and emotionally, tend not to be conservative by nature.  By this I mean flashy women. This very much includes women who cosplay their conservatism for the purpose of garnering attention and income. This includes your Candace Owens, Lauren Southern, and Serena Joy types. You can dress conservatively, associate with conservative people, and have conservative talking points, but still have an unabiding need for institutionally sanctioned power, attention, approval, and adoration from the opposite sex that is in actuality more important than any other value system espoused.

SOURCE: people I knew growing up and in my 20s.

FYI, if you're going to another country/ culture to outsource your relationship needs, whoever you're marrying is by definition NOT really conservative by nature. They're at best, a picker and chooser of what values they'd like to keep. It's probably going to be in a purely self-interested way and it may or may not be in your favour. They are.... after all, picking you. Likely, you are NOT the exception lol.

If you can't identify character because you don't have the instinct and inclination to watch and try to understand people on their own terms and come to your own conclusions from there, then you're stuck relying on mental models about how people are without having comprehensive access to the whole group of people you are generalizing about. Not only is this not reality, you're probably going to get screwed eventually regardless of where you are.

Realistically, no matter of culture, time period, and local social environment, some people are going to be more intrinsically conservatively leaning. At least if you're a woman, it likely has something to do with your intrinsic level of risk aversion on a social, emotional, and intellectual level.

Anyway, if you play the capitalist game when it comes to personal relationships? You win capitalist prizes.

Edited August 27 by eos_nyxia

[questionreality]

5 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

 

 

 You guys are too much on the internet/reddit.

LOL, this is what you consider attractive? You clearly have never been to countries in eastern Europe.

I wouldn't give these more than a 6. 

You need to clearly travel more.

[eos_nyxia]

6 minutes ago, questionreality said:

LOL, this is what you consider attractive? You clearly have never been to countries in eastern Europe.

I wouldn't give these more than a 6. 

You need to clearly travel more.

Not everyone is obsessed with white women.

[questionreality]

17 hours ago, eos_nyxia said:

Not everyone is obsessed with white women.

 Why are you so obsessed with race? I said nothing regarding their skin color here. On the video more than 70% of the women are white.

[Lyubov]

23 hours ago, eos_nyxia said:

Ah, yes. Let's go back to the good old days when women didn't have choices. Where if you're cheated on, you're just expected to deal with it "because men", where marital rape is legal and divorce was phenomenally difficult to obtain. You probably wouldn't like your choices taken away (whether you made questionable ones or not), so why would anyone else prefer it? What a bummer, you can't approach finding a partner the way you shop for a car or house these days. It's a two-way process and people aren't necessarily interested in helping you get yours if you don't already get it. And those who get it are already getting theirs, but you don't necessarily see them either. If it's not part of the mainstream cultural narrative and they're not talking, then you probably aren't seeing it. It doesn't mean that they don't exist though.

On a more practical note, to the issue you mentioned: the type of woman that a traditionalist might be interested in very much exists (at least in liberal suburbia, where I grew up), but 1) they tend to pair off very early, usually with people they grew up around, within their social circle. For a woman who is conservative-minded by nature: marrying outsiders where there isn't a good "culture fit" doesn't happen very often.  2) they're probably not lounging around in bars, clubs, etc., and there is a good chance that they're an introverted person with introverted interests. If you see them at a bar or club, there is a good chance that they're young, wanting to see what it's about, or being dragged there by a friend.   3) they're not necessarily living in a big city, doing big city things, so you won't see them there. 4) the women that many men tend to be drawn to, sexually and emotionally, tend not to be conservative by nature.  By this I mean flashy women. This very much includes women who cosplay their conservatism for the purpose of garnering attention and income. This includes your Candace Owens, Lauren Southern, and Serena Joy types. You can dress conservatively, associate with conservative people, and have conservative talking points, but still have an unabiding need for institutionally sanctioned power, attention, approval, and adoration from the opposite sex that is in actuality more important than any other value system espoused.

SOURCE: people I knew growing up and in my 20s.

FYI, if you're going to another country/ culture to outsource your relationship needs, whoever you're marrying is by definition NOT really conservative by nature. They're at best, a picker and chooser of what values they'd like to keep. It's probably going to be in a purely self-interested way and it may or may not be in your favour. They are.... after all, picking you. Likely, you are NOT the exception lol.

If you can't identify character because you don't have the instinct and inclination to watch and try to understand people on their own terms and come to your own conclusions from there, then you're stuck relying on mental models about how people are without having comprehensive access to the whole group of people you are generalizing about. Not only is this not reality, you're probably going to get screwed eventually regardless of where you are.

Realistically, no matter of culture, time period, and local social environment, some people are going to be more intrinsically conservatively leaning. At least if you're a woman, it likely has something to do with your intrinsic level of risk aversion on a social, emotional, and intellectual level.

Anyway, if you play the capitalist game when it comes to personal relationships? You win capitalist prizes.

You make some good points, fair enough. I know we all want to have fulfilling relationships that work with our belief systems and are in harmony with the rest of our lives. I don’t deny there were problems then with power imbalances in the “good old days.” I can’t say things are equal now either though. Maybe unfairness and injustice are just a natural feature of relationships we have to accept, ever changing. Because it is dishonest to say things are somehow better now. I’m tired of the feminist dialogue trying to play the victim and rewrite history as if every woman was suffering in their relationships then. There is no possible way to know things are somehow better now. It had it’s challenges then and men have their challenges now. Seeing how year in and year out more men are committing suicide, lonely, incels, twitch tv viewers, but men are told to suck it up and there isn’t an issue here. I’m pointing out its way better to date abroad for the majority of guys, and be desired for just being a normal fun guy on a continuous changing path of transformation. I’ve checked out. I’m not dating on western terms and no it’s not because I want a sex object. I want an actual feminine woman. Different powers but balanced and equal in harmony. Yin Yang ☯️ I am tired of seeing continuous info that this is “just a man problem” where they just need to hit the gym and better themselves. This is something everyone should be doing regardless. This is a society problem where things are now out of balance in the other direction. 

Edited August 28 by Lyubov

[NoSelfSelf]

10 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

You make some good points, fair enough. I know we all want to have fulfilling relationships that work with our belief systems and are in harmony with the rest of our lives. I don’t deny there were problems then with power imbalances in the “good old days.” I can’t say things are equal now either though. Maybe unfairness and injustice are just a natural feature of relationships we have to accept, ever changing. Because it is dishonest to say things are somehow better now. I’m tired of the feminist dialogue trying to play the victim and rewrite history as if every woman was suffering in their relationships then. There is no possible way to know things are somehow better now. It had it’s challenges then and men have their challenges now. Seeing how year in and year out more men are committing suicide, lonely, incels, twitch tv viewers, but men are told to suck it up and there isn’t an issue here. I’m pointing out its way better to date abroad for the majority of guys, and be desired for just being a normal fun guy on a continuous changing path of transformation. I’ve checked out. I’m not dating on western terms and no it’s not because I want a sex object. I want an actual feminine woman. Different powers but balanced and equal in harmony. Yin Yang ☯️ I am tired of seeing continuous info that this is “just a man problem” where they just need to hit the gym and better themselves. This is something everyone should be doing regardless. This is a society problem where things are now out of balance in the other direction. 

You want feminine yet you not masculine, dont then be surprised if you get scammed with your submissive woman abroad 🫨

[Lyubov]

6 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

You want feminine yet you not masculine, dont then be surprised if you get scammed with your submissive woman abroad 🫨

I see myself as masculine enough, I disagree, and my direct experience goes against your assessment. I pull often and have no shortage of intimacy at hand, 3 year serious relationship ended recently. Sad, but onto the next. I don’t have to worry about whatever incel desert you’re in or having to watch boring videos in the OP in order to get laid. It’s like paying to breathe air. Things are great in Brasil. See you on the beach with the beautiful women if you get your passport.

[NoSelfSelf]

3 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I see myself as masculine enough, I disagree, and my direct experience goes against your assessment. I pull often and have no shortage of intimacy at hand, 3 year serious relationship ended recently. Sad, but onto the next. I don’t have to worry about whatever incel desert you’re in or having to watch boring videos in the OP in order to get laid. It’s like paying to breathe air. Things are great in Brasil. See you on the beach with the beautiful women if you get your passport.

Who cares what you think when you are not behaving like a man.See you are putting value in how much pussy you can get and thinking that makes you something anyone can get pussy but not everyone can be a man.You wont hear a man crying about womeb in west and tell you to go abroad...

[Lyubov]

1 hour ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Who cares what you think when you are not behaving like a man.See you are putting value in how much pussy you can get and thinking that makes you something anyone can get pussy but not everyone can be a man.You wont hear a man crying about womeb in west and tell you to go abroad...

Man it isn't about value, I agree. I don't believe a man can earn value from another person. Every person is inherently valuable no matter what. Many of us do have a deep appreciation for loving relationships, sex, intimacy and beauty. I know it's easy to preach and try to just hit men over the head with this truth that women don't complete them. Fair enough. I try my best to live by what's true daily. Do I mess up sometimes and put my value in women? Sure. I recognize and correct that. I know what I desire and I want to have easy access to beautiful women who want to be with me and who we both are able to have fun, intimacy, and share ideas and do amazing things together like traveling. It's easy to tell people to find peace/value and connect with this peace that's always here but it's another thing if you are born in Gaza or Ukraine and to preach this to them. There's tons of great guys who simply aren't attracting anything in their life and I do believe environment plays a part, so change it. My tone in here has been childish and inflammatory, I will work on that. My sentiment about dating in the west being entirely too difficult and entirely against what I believe and my value system still stands. I don't see the point in doing all this self help grindy shit to get laid by women I don't see as feminine, beautiful or traditional. 

Edited August 28 by Lyubov

[NoSelfSelf]

@Lyubov Fair enough do what you want but again what gives you away that you not a man is you care about women and you do self help to get laid one doesnt do that.

[questionreality]

16 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

You wont hear a man crying about womeb in west and tell you to go abroad...

If you want to find a feminine and beautiful woman, your chances will increase tenfold in an eastern european country.

You probably have never traveled outside of the US, thus you can't comprehend any of what we are saying here.

I am speaking as someone who is from an eastern country and lives there, but who also have lived in the west.

US is far from being the best place to live, yet alone to find a woman.

Once you travel and even live somewhere else for extended period of time, your opinion will most likely change.

[NoSelfSelf]

43 minutes ago, questionreality said:

If you want to find a feminine and beautiful woman, your chances will increase tenfold in an eastern european country.

You probably have never traveled outside of the US, thus you can't comprehend any of what we are saying here.

I am speaking as someone who is from an eastern country and lives there, but who also have lived in the west.

US is far from being the best place to live, yet alone to find a woman.

Once you travel and even live somewhere else for extended period of time, your opinion will most likely change.

Im not from Usa it doesnt matter where im from, what im saying is flying over your head, but yeah i dont like to say these things but i talked over the phone with a columbian woman yesterday they are feminine yeah,also with indian woman while back yeah i get it but thing is im more concirned about becoming a man, so it doesnt matter where you are but you want easy so you get feminine women wohoo also with no substance usually ,go get them i dont care but then dont say how you are a man and how your life is great because someone who is real will just chukle...you traveling to get women just proves that you aint shit thats my point...

Edited August 29 by NoSelfSelf

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Im not from Usa it doesnt matter where im from, what im saying is flying over your head, but yeah i dont like to say these things but i talked over the phone with a columbian woman yesterday they are feminine yeah,also with indian woman while back yeah i get it but thing is im more concirned about becoming a man, so it doesnt matter where you are but you want easy so you get feminine women wohoo also with no substance usually ,go get them i dont care but then dont say how you are a man and how your life is great because someone who is real will just chukle...you traveling to get women just proves that you aint shit thats my point...

They are especially less spoiled by comfort and social networks, for now.

Edited August 29 by Schizophonia

[questionreality]

7 minutes ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Im not from Usa it doesnt matter where im from, what im saying is flying over your head, but yeah i dont like to say these things but i talked over the phone with a columbian woman yesterday they are feminine yeah,also with indian woman while back yeah i get it but thing is im more concirned about becoming a man, so it doesnt matter where you are but you want easy so you get feminine women wohoo also with no substance usually ,go get them i dont care but then dont say how you are a man and how your life is great because someone who is real will just chukle...you traveling to get women just proves that you aint shit thats my point...

Before learning to become a man, you need to learn how to write, and form coherent sentences - because I can barely understand what you wrote here.

You also need to learn how to read, because:

1) Nowhere did I say that I wanted to get women easily or wanted an easy way out

2)  Nowhere did I say how much of a man I am, where the fuck are you getting all this from? These are your own projections

3) I wrote that I live in an Eastern country and am from there, so you can't say that I escaped the west, etc.

4) The point of traveling is to expand your awareness and worldview, to understand what's out there. It also expands your dating pool, when you KNOW what you want. 

 

 

 

 

[NoSelfSelf]

5 hours ago, questionreality said:

Before learning to become a man, you need to learn how to write, and form coherent sentences - because I can barely understand what you wrote here.

You also need to learn how to read, because:

1) Nowhere did I say that I wanted to get women easily or wanted an easy way out

2)  Nowhere did I say how much of a man I am, where the fuck are you getting all this from? These are your own projections

3) I wrote that I live in an Eastern country and am from there, so you can't say that I escaped the west, etc.

4) The point of traveling is to expand your awareness and worldview, to understand what's out there. It also expands your dating pool, when you KNOW what you want. 

 

 

 

 

You injected yourself in the conversation so i was assuming you were talking about previous points.Since you defending the notion of "travel to get laid" or " i want a feminine woman" and western women aint shit.

Im aware of my writing, it would take me like half an hour to write what i want, since there is so much information pouring out and since my conciousness is expanded i easily forget the threads that are coming because of adhd habit, thanks for consideration 👍

Edited August 29 by NoSelfSelf

[Lyubov]

12 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

you traveling to get women just proves that you aint shit thats my point...

imagine saying "you traveling to get water" and you in the desert. western countries suck donkey balls for dating. it's a matter of opinion and value but from my POV and most warm blooded men would agree, we want feminine, beautiful women who follows us, not try to cuck us, I can't think of anything more demeaning to oneself than to grind self help stuff and try to make a shitty situation work when you could literally go abroad and not only find more women who are interested in you, but literally are 100000% more desirable in beauty, education and mannerisms. This kind of exposure to female energy and beauty transforms a man. You rethink your entire belief system about yourself. I'd fly to the moon if it meant getting out of a shitty environment. You think I have shame going abroad? That's like feeling bad about leaving gaza cause you want a safe place to live. The usa is shite for dating. My entire life is upgraded 10x fold. it takes bravery to take this leap to move abroad and learn a foreign language. you know how many guys are wasting their time watching videos in the OP and getting no where? work smart, not hard. It's called the path of least resistance. My standard is that of a Eastern European or Latina model now. I have an appreciation for beauty and intimacy, these women, especially the eastern euros are very well educated, and incredibly feminine, wellkempt (nails, hair, everything). I have no idea how that goes into defining whether I'm a man or not? Are you a monk? Do you sit in your crappy environment and try to just make peace with it? Fair enough but that's def not for me. I'm following my heart abroad and beyond. I'm writing this for any guy who is having thoughts about going abroad too. This is information most guys in the USA / UK if they read this post would change their life, hopefully guys in here can read it. DM me if you need any info on Russia or Brazil. 

Edited August 30 by Lyubov

[NoSelfSelf]

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

imagine saying "you traveling to get water" and you in the desert. western countries suck donkey balls for dating. it's a matter of opinion and value but from my POV and most warm blooded men would agree, we want feminine, beautiful women who follows us, not try to cuck us, I can't think of anything more demeaning to oneself than to grind self help stuff and try to make a shitty situation work when you could literally go abroad and not only find more women who are interested in you, but literally are 100000% more desirable in beauty, education and mannerisms. This kind of exposure to female energy and beauty transforms a man. You rethink your entire belief system about yourself. I'd fly to the moon if it meant getting out of a shitty environment. You think I have shame going abroad? That's like feeling bad about leaving gaza cause you want a safe place to live. The usa is shite for dating. My entire life is upgraded 10x fold. it takes bravery to take this leap to move abroad and learn a foreign language. you know how many guys are wasting their time watching videos in the OP and getting no where? work smart, not hard. It's called the path of least resistance. My standard is that of a Eastern European or Latina model now. I have an appreciation for beauty and intimacy, these women, especially the eastern euros are very well educated, and incredibly feminine, wellkempt (nails, hair, everything). I have no idea how that goes into defining whether I'm a man or not? Are you a monk? Do you sit in your crappy environment and try to just make peace with it? Fair enough but that's def not for me. I'm following my heart abroad and beyond. I'm writing this for any guy who is having thoughts about going abroad too. This is information most guys in the USA / UK if they read this post would change their life, hopefully guys in here can read it. DM me if you need any info on Russia or Brazil. 

Im writing for guys who want to be a man not listening to your weak feminine narrative where pussy is your god and you throw away yourself and make life about women what a shame.You shouldnt even be on this forum this forum is self improvement where outcome is me! what a freedom is that 🫡.. go to Russia or Brazil live your life through outside definitions...feminine beauty transforms a man 😂 i imagine you would be one on these seminars thinking you becoming something 

https://youtu.be/jKOmG2RwpXg?si=hEv94A38HS_QBs94

 

Edited August 30 by NoSelfSelf

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, NoSelfSelf said:

Im writing for guys who want to be a man not listening to your weak feminine narrative where pussy is your god and you throw away yourself and make life about women what a shame.You shouldnt even be on this forum this forum is self improvement where outcome is me! what a freedom is that 🫡.. go to Russia or Brazil live your life through outside definitions...feminine beauty transforms a man 😂 i imagine you would be one on these seminars thinking you becoming something 

https://youtu.be/jKOmG2RwpXg?si=hEv94A38HS_QBs94

 

Pussy is not my god, I don’t base my value in the approval and praise of women. stop projecting your insecurities. I’m engaged with life and honestly manifesting what I desire and working on myself daily. Truth actualized in reality. You are in the dating sub-forum which is the place the largely male audience on this site goes to improve their dating life and fulfill their authentic desires. Give them something shall you. They do not come here to read your broken English and definitions of what you think a man is. You haven’t provided anything really tangible or of any nuance to counter my points. I believe the USA and UK is shit for dating. You believe ???? If you want to go monk mode and try to meditate away your dating issues fine by me. I prefer to actually be responsible. Attract. Create. Manifest. Evolve. The female form is where I expand into everything and the women in my life are some of my greatest teachers and mirrors. You do you bro. 
 

man I clicked that video too and wow you are really projecting… 

Edited August 30 by Lyubov

[NoSelfSelf]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Pussy is not my god, I don’t base my value in the approval and praise of women. stop projecting your insecurities. I’m engaged with life and honestly manifesting what I desire and working on myself daily. Truth actualized in reality. You are in the dating sub-forum which is the place the largely male audience on this site goes to improve their dating life and fulfill their authentic desires. Give them something shall you. They do not come here to read your broken English and definitions of what you think a man is. You haven’t provided anything really tangible or of any nuance to counter my points. I believe the USA and UK is shit for dating. You believe ???? If you want to go monk mode and try to meditate away your dating issues fine by me. I prefer to actually be responsible. Attract. Create. Manifest. Evolve. The female form is where I expand into everything and the women in my life are some of my greatest teachers and mirrors. You do you bro. 
 

man I clicked that video too and wow you are really projecting… 

You are lying to yourself you are not creating anything you just think you do.If you were creating anything you wouldnt be bitching how you need to work on yourself and its so hard because of feminists in the west.We are not playing on the same field, thats the issue you dont see where im coming from.There are no dating issues for a man, that's for guys like you believing there are some issues because you think you can control things outside of you aka women, when you cant and it doesnt go your way then you cry about it on a forum telling people to leave their country to fix their dating life, thats pathetic in my humble opinion...

 

Edited August 30 by NoSelfSelf