Fasting.

[Ajay0]

On 8/25/2024 at 0:24 AM, Schizophonia said:

How fasting is supposed to make you more spiritual ? lol

Fasting increases the prana/chi or life-force in the body, and this results in better healing of diseases if any as well as better meditative states.

I have noticed that I recover from diseases faster when I do some intermittent fasting, as well having better meditative states.

The practice of fasting also involved sensory discipline of the tongue which can develop the character, will and self-control.

Fasting is also recommended as a remedy for overcoming heightened sexual urges , and can be useful during kundalini rise.

 

 

Edited September 4 by Ajay0

[Fountainbleu]

On 8/24/2024 at 0:47 PM, ICURBlessings said:

How much fat do you have stored in your body? If you are skinny a 30 days water fast would be harmful to your body's health. Even if you do have plenty of fat in store, a fast consisting of only water for that long is controversial body-health wise.

Do your research for 'how to do a long term fast without damaging one's health".

Today we have a lot of knowledge about fasting. Research it.

Spiritually speaking - a 2 or 3 days fast should make meditation easier - even a 24hrs fast will do that.

 

here is a few other possibilities:

• Never eat before Noon AND never eat after 6pm or 7pm - everyday and meditate every morning for the rest of your life.
• Stop eating carbohydrates almost completely - as in less than 50grams/day - for 2 years.

 

why 6 pm specifically? I do 12 pm - 8 pm; 8 hour window. I find if I do less it activates the sympathetic system. And carbs are good for a healthy nervous system. I see a lot of talk about fasting and low or no carbs, but I find a lot of people don't know the nuances of it. Speaking from experience. 

Edited September 4 by Fountainbleu

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Fasting increases the prana/chi or life-force in the body, and this results in better healing of diseases if any as well as better meditative states.

Lol, how stopping eating would increases your chi ? Its like saying my BMW will go further and faster if i don't put oil in it.

8 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

I have noticed that I recover from diseases faster when I do some intermittent fasting, as well having better meditative states.

IF is very different from long fatsing.

8 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

The practice of fasting also involved sensory discipline of the tongue which can develop the character, will and self-control.

I was brought up in a relatively manly way so it doesn't interest me, I prefer to be that rugby player who goes to war before eating 2000kcal in one go with his friends. 

8 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Fasting is also recommended as a remedy for overcoming heightened sexual urges , and can be useful during kundalini rise.

Yes because it fucks up your testosterone.

[ICURBlessings]

2 hours ago, Fountainbleu said:

why 6 pm specifically? I do 12 pm - 8 pm; 8 hour window. I find if I do less it activates the sympathetic system. And carbs are good for a healthy nervous system. I see a lot of talk about fasting and low or no carbs, but I find a lot of people don't know the nuances of it. Speaking from experience. 

why 6 pm specifically?

It was just an example of a "possibility" among others...

...carbs are good for a healthy nervous system. I see a lot of talk about fasting and low or no carbs, but I find a lot of people don't know the nuances of it. Speaking from experience. 

• The fact is there is no real need for carbs in the human diet, as the human body can produce all the carbs needed for maintaining a healthy metabolism and for its overall health.
• The fact is that health problems caused by lack of carbs do not exist. Where as the list of health-problems from eating to many carbs (a behavior of the great majority of humans world-wide) is long and includes heart-disease; diabetic, and Alzheimer - among many, many other chronic health issues.
• The fact is that 'Ketosis' - which is a metabolic state which can ONLY occur with a relatively low carb-intake - does 'miracles' when it comes to the nervous-system - including healing-effects. So much so that it is now being research for its potential in mediating extreme-stress on the nervous-system that jet-pilots (Air-Force) are subjected to - and for super-deep sea divers. Not to mention how it radically end a great percentage of brain-seizures (search: Ketosis effects on Epileptic seizures)

Edited September 4 by ICURBlessings

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Fasting increases the prana/chi or life-force in the body,

 

+ @Sugarcoat and his burger king receipt disagree 

 

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[Sugarcoat]

I did around 4 days and felt very tired on the 4th day as @Schizophonia alluded to  I can’t imagine 30. Maybe if you are fatter then it’s easier because you have more fat to burn I don’t know

Edited September 4 by Sugarcoat

[Fountainbleu]

8 hours ago, ICURBlessings said:

why 6 pm specifically?

It was just an example of a "possibility" among others...

...carbs are good for a healthy nervous system. I see a lot of talk about fasting and low or no carbs, but I find a lot of people don't know the nuances of it. Speaking from experience. 

• The fact is there is no real need for carbs in the human diet, as the human body can produce all the carbs needed for maintaining a healthy metabolism and for its overall health.
• The fact is that health problems caused by lack of carbs do not exist. Where as the list of health-problems from eating to many carbs (a behavior of the great majority of humans world-wide) is long and includes heart-disease; diabetic, and Alzheimer - among many, many other chronic health issues.
• The fact is that 'Ketosis' - which is a metabolic state which can ONLY occur with a relatively low carb-intake - does 'miracles' when it comes to the nervous-system - including healing-effects. So much so that it is now being research for its potential in mediating extreme-stress on the nervous-system that jet-pilots (Air-Force) are subjected to - and for super-deep sea divers. Not to mention how it radically end a great percentage of brain-seizures (search: Ketosis effects on Epileptic seizures)

It's not so black and white. Ayurveda medicine that's been around for thousands of years is a big proponent of eating complex carbs for the reasons mentioned. I'm not sure the science of it but I know when I eat carbs I feel calmer and more balanced.

[martins name]

to get the miraculous health benefits you must rest for the entire duration. That's when the body goes into healing mode. I did a 14-day fast and it was like upgrading my body to a new level. I lost it after some months. Going for 30 days as a beginner seems extreme and a little dangerous, especially if you don't have professional guidance.

[ICURBlessings]

11 hours ago, Fountainbleu said:

It's not so black and white. Ayurveda medicine that's been around for thousands of years is a big proponent of eating complex carbs for the reasons mentioned. I'm not sure the science of it but I know when I eat carbs I feel calmer and more balanced.

Interesting synchronicity - as about 40 years ago I studied Ayurveda - and faithfully applied its principles to my life for about 20 years. It still has a slight influence on how I see interactions between the different body/temperament-doshas and the seasons, climates, time of the day, and life-styles.

For me, Ayurveda was not effective in dealing with health issues, and it certainly did not serve me to reach the optimal health state that I now maintain.

Ayurveda due to its many incompatibilities with science, it can only run parallel to it. What was 100X more useful to me - health wise - was a deep study of our biological evolution over millions of years - and understanding thereby the optimal conditions for maximizing metabolic health.

Long life is about metabolic health; quality of life is about metabolic health; and the slow process of dying that most human are submitting themselves to - is the effect of metabolic dysfunction.

The processes that leads to metabolic dysfunction unfolds over long period of time. Traditionally, it took several decades, but this situation has now accelerated at the global scale.

India, the Nation that gave birth to Ayurveda is in serious trouble when it comes to metabolic health. In the Scientific paper "Socioeconomic inequality in awareness, treatment and control of diabetes among adults in India: Evidence from National Family Health Survey of India (NFHS), 2019–2021" report that "India is home to the world's second highest number of diabetic patients. Within the age group of 20–79 years, India has 74.9 million diabetics in 2021 projected to increase to 124.9 million by 2045"

Diabetes (type 2) is a very serious disease that usually takes decades to reach. But those decades are not a period of health, they are a period of health decline. You certainly don't have to be diabetic to be metabolically in trouble. When a doctor tells his patient "you are pre-diabetic" that person's health is in serious trouble. And diabetes is a terrible and morbid disease.

Metabolic dysfunction is not typically an issue that you become aware before mid-life - but it is the behavior that are applied before mid-life that leads to it.

Article mentioned: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-29978-y#:~:text=India is home to the,124.9 million by 20454.

[ICURBlessings]

15 hours ago, Fountainbleu said:

...but I know when I eat carbs I feel calmer and more balanced.

Many could say the same thing when drinking alcohol, even shooting heroin!

Carbs act on the nervous system in many ways like addictive drugs. The part of the brain that get activated with some addictive substances - like alcohol - is also activated by carbs consumption.

The "calm" achieved via Ketosis (metabolic state activated when diet is low in carbs) is much more stable and holds much better. The sense of satisfaction that carbs produces is short lived - almost never over an hour - and usually under 45 min..

Carbs produces more "roller-coaster" effects.  Especially when they are eaten in large quantity. Carb diet can interfere with sleep-quality as well. A person is more "moody", and more prone to emotional instability, as well.

Edited September 5 by ICURBlessings

[Chadders]

@shubhamsharma 30 days is long time. I am not so sure it is the right thing for you to be doing considering potential health considerations

I would do a lot of research before hand

[Cobblestone Prince]

I've done 9 days before. It was easy, FOR ME. There are so many nuances to consider when fasting. Everyone has different metabolisms and will handle it differently. The more you do fasts, the more metabolically flexible you will become. That being said. I would do 3 day fasts first. Get 6-10 of those under your belt first. Then try a 5 day. Then try a 7 day. Then try a 10 day. If you want to go for 30 I would not do it alone. I would go to somewhere like True North Health Center in Santa Rosa California USA. It's medically supervised with doctors. Even when I did it alone I was testing my blood sugar. On day 9 it was at 45 so I ate some goji berries to raise it. Also I would recommend not just water, eat MCT oil shots for calories, drink bone broth, or teas, use the empty stomach to take the best supplements in the world through water. you can have a fasting mimicking diet, 500 calories a day, ans till get the majority of the benefits of fasting and not feel so weak. If you do water only you need to be lying down and resting a lot. you will feel weakER, like 80%, but you get a spiritual high and lightness. You are living in the moment easier. Do your research and ease into it.  good luck

[Michael569]

17 hours ago, ICURBlessings said:

Carbs produces more "roller-coaster" effects.  Especially when they are eaten in large quantity. Carb diet can interfere with sleep-quality as well. A person is more "moody", and more prone to emotional instability, as well.

I think we should be more careful with clustering an entire macro nutrient category into the same bag. What you seem to be referring are refined carbohydrates, not unrefined sources of carbohydrates. 

If you, at this very moment, attach a continues glucose monitor on your arm and then in the spread of 4 hours ate: 2 croissants vs a bowl of lentils, I can guarantee that your blood sugar response would be very much different. The earlier would produce a rapid spike and a subsequent fall where the later would show more moderated response. It is important to notice that neither is harmful as long as your insulin response works optimally. 

The later is also beneficial for your energy and your heart and your mind and reduces risk of Alzheimer's (contrary to what you mentioned above) and does not interfere with sleep quality nor mood stability. 

 A lot of people are reading this and thinking "carbs are bad for me, I must do keto" and they may slip into poorer mental health state as a result of that. Keto if done poorly can have detrimental effect on cardiovascular system, cerebrovascular system  and digestive health so also keep that in mind. There is no one size fits all.

The evidence is clear that in the long term (> 24 months) , high fat is no more favourable to high carb or moderate carb. Not better for weight loss, not better for heart disease risk mitigation or diabetes or Alzheimer's risk mitigation. Keto studies have the highest dropout rates pass month 24 of all because they are unsustainable for a lot of people compared to more balanced moderate carb moderate fat approaches which consistently show the best results for chronic disease risk mitigation. 

I saw you are a student of Ayurveda which seems to go along macrobiotic type of diet with hints of Hindu / Chinese / Budhist traditional diets which are all rich in carbohydrates while relatively lower in fat putting emphasis on unrefined carbohydrates, fruits, vegetables and some lean protein. Isn't that contrasting the opinion you're putting out there? 

I appreciate you may be trying to approach this topic from a more spiritual / energetic perspective rather than perhaps, purely scientific,  but you should be a bit more cautious with such umbrella statements. It is very unholistic. 

Not everyone can do keto. Not everyone can eliminate carbohydrates. And no, carbohydrates are not bad for you, you just need to take time to choose the healthier ones and obviously don't overconsume on anything. Not on carbs, not on protein and not on fat. 

Btw, comparing carbohydrates to heroin or alcohol like that....... You dismissed the  poster's comment in a patronising way in a sort of "hold my beer" type of response. It is unempathetic and it is incredibly inconsiderate to even say something like that, especially from someone who seems to be attempting to take a high ground in this thread

Edited September 6 by Michael569

[Leo Gura]

I did 12 days fast. Zero spiritual benefits.

[Davino]

@shubhamsharma Fasting works wonders with me. I had to leave it due to health reasons. I discovered there is a kind of sweet spot with fasting, where more is not better. Although it's true that it comes in waves and you may catch a second wind if you push through.

30 day water fast sound too much honestly. Work your way up and see how your body responds.

[ICURBlessings]

4 hours ago, Michael569 said:

I think we should be more careful with clustering an entire macro nutrient category into the same bag. What you seem to be referring are refined carbohydrates, not unrefined sources of carbohydrates. 

If you, at this very moment, attach a continues glucose monitor on your arm and then in the spread of 4 hours ate: 2 croissants vs a bowl of lentils, I can guarantee that your blood sugar response would be very much different. The earlier would produce a rapid spike and a subsequent fall where the later would show more moderated response. It is important to notice that neither is harmful as long as your insulin response works optimally. 

The later is also beneficial for your energy and your heart and your mind and reduces risk of Alzheimer's (contrary to what you mentioned above) and does not interfere with sleep quality nor mood stability. 

 A lot of people are reading this and thinking "carbs are bad for me, I must do keto" and they may slip into poorer mental health state as a result of that. Keto if done poorly can have detrimental effect on cardiovascular system, cerebrovascular system  and digestive health so also keep that in mind. There is no one size fits all.

The evidence is clear that in the long term (> 24 months) , high fat is no more favourable to high carb or moderate carb. Not better for weight loss, not better for heart disease risk mitigation or diabetes or Alzheimer's risk mitigation. Keto studies have the highest dropout rates pass month 24 of all because they are unsustainable for a lot of people compared to more balanced moderate carb moderate fat approaches which consistently show the best results for chronic disease risk mitigation. 

I saw you are a student of Ayurveda which seems to go along macrobiotic type of diet with hints of Hindu / Chinese / Budhist traditional diets which are all rich in carbohydrates while relatively lower in fat putting emphasis on unrefined carbohydrates, fruits, vegetables and some lean protein. Isn't that contrasting the opinion you're putting out there? 

I appreciate you may be trying to approach this topic from a more spiritual / energetic perspective rather than perhaps, purely scientific,  but you should be a bit more cautious with such umbrella statements. It is very unholistic. 

Not everyone can do keto. Not everyone can eliminate carbohydrates. And no, carbohydrates are not bad for you, you just need to take time to choose the healthier ones and obviously don't overconsume on anything. Not on carbs, not on protein and not on fat. 

Btw, comparing carbohydrates to heroin or alcohol like that....... You dismissed the  poster's comment in a patronising way in a sort of "hold my beer" type of response. It is unempathetic and it is incredibly inconsiderate to even say something like that, especially from someone who seems to be attempting to take a high ground in this thread

I found your response as a reaction to a miss-interpretation of what I posted. You read-in what I posted what you wanted to see - and certainly not how I think and what I intended to communicate.

 

If you reread my posts and find a way to put aside the bias filter that you use to raise a personal defense - you will see that I am talking about the state of KETOSIS benefits versus NOT-Ketosis. I never claimed the Keto diet is for everyone. I would even say in that sense - and only in that sense that 'health' is not for everyone - but you are likely to miss-interpret this as well. If you see an offense, than know that you are miss-interpreting.

I am familiar with glucose response relation to the glycemic index of carbohydrates.

I would never say that I am a student of Ayurveda - Reread my post, as stated that was 40 years ago!

Ketosis is being used and studied  with radically positive results to treat a wide range of mental health issues. The body can thrive with health, including mental-health with a very low carb intake. Stating this fact is in no way claiming that you MUST do a Keto diet.

You said "The later is also beneficial for your energy and your heart and your mind and reduces risk of Alzheimer's" - I do not agree

Ketosis has been used successfully to REVERSE Alzheimer. I know how difficult it is to maintain a state of Ketosis - although thousands do it - and that difficulty is not for everyone - especially when one is towards the end of his life. But that is a completely different topic. I am not writing a book here. 

I agree that there are differences between types of carbs - that one can achieve a higher state of health or increase his metabolic dysfunction according to the type of carb intake. However I must add that the quantity of carb intake (as on a regular basis-over many years), has an important effect, even if they are the complex type.

Ketosis can not be achieved unless the carb intake is relatively low. If measured by weight, one can take more complex carbs than simple one - while not interfering with the state of Ketosis.

As far as specific research is concerned - in my opinion this platform is not appropriate for debating. I will only point to the fact that the great majority of nutrition research (probably well over 99%) - was NOT performed with participants in a state of KETOSIS. The latest studies are showing that when the same conditions are applied to participants in a state of Ketosis - the results differ.

 

Finally, about the following comment:

"... comparing carbohydrates to heroin or alcohol like that....... You dismissed the  poster's comment in a patronising way in a sort of "hold my beer" type of response. It is unempathetic and it is incredibly inconsiderate to even say something like that, especially from someone who seems to be attempting to take a high ground in this thread"

I did use a radical parallel when stating 'heroin' - and I can see now how it could be taken as an offense - but it was not an offense - no matter how you look at it. You say it was "incredibly inconsiderate" - I disagree with the chosen adverb 'incredibly'. If you are that sensitive I would ask myself 'what' is it that is causing such sensitivity. 

 

If I did offend Fountainbleu - I apologize for my inconsideration.

 

[ICURBlessings]

7 hours ago, Michael569 said:

I think we should be more careful with clustering an entire macro nutrient category into the same bag. What you seem to be referring are refined carbohydrates, not unrefined sources of carbohydrates. 

Upon further reflection after rereading my posts in this thread - I see that in a few places I used the word 'carb' and 'carb diet' INFERING to a nutritional regime that makes the metabolic state of the body Not-in-KETOSIS. I should of been more specific as it was interpreted by you and maybe others that all carbs are equal.

HOWEVER in the sense of Ketosis vs Not-Ketosis metabolic state  - generally all carbs are usually considered TOGETHER - as in complex and simple carbs. Although, as I previously stated - if one is in a metabolic state of Ketosis - one can afford to eat a little more complex carbs relative to simple carbs.

That being said - all carbs are not equal when going into a more detailed understanding of metabolism. As Fructose has a much more radical impact than sucrose on metabolism. The many culprits of carbs in general are linked more to fructose than sucrose.

If someone aims to reap the benefits of Ketosis - one has to not eat complex carbs under a certain amount - which is rather low when considering how much one is naturally inclined to eat in today's world.

Much of FASTING benefits can be attributed to Ketosis - although not entirely. The problem with Fasting is that it is not sustainable - long term. However Intermittent-Fasting is. But to achieve Ketosis with intermittent-fasting it will be much more difficult if one does not go low on his carb-intake.

The health benefits of being in Ketosis over long periods is near miraculous. Radical reversal of diabetes is one, for many it is the complete remission of epilepsy and other seizure disorders. Not to mention loosing weight without starvation. The list is actually very long. I can imagine you might want to believe that one can do the same without going into ketosis but with a healthy carb diet - HOWEVER the differences are just incomparable. It is not about the carbs being 'BAD' - it is about the state of Ketosis being biologically speaking 'optimal for general performance'. The NON-Ketosis state has a biological purpose - which is to prepare the body for a period of "lack of resources (food wise)". If you look at bears, without a super-high carb intake they could never survive hibernation.

But humanity is in a upward spiral of chronic health disease directly related to the absence of ketosis in our biological life.

• Here is a story I heard yesterday from a doctor:

Patient comes to him for joints replacement surgery. Patient is overweight and has been for a long time. Doctor suggest to him to go through a trial period were he would change his diet and maintain a state of ketosis - and that at the very least, it will help his operation recovery. The patient decide to go with the diet change. Within 10 days the patients becomes free of arthritic-symptoms. Symptoms that he has been suffering from for many, many years. He says to the doctor, if this freedom from these symptoms persists - I will not need the surgery.

I know this is not a proof - but it is a story among hundreds, and hundreds. 

 

Edited September 6 by ICURBlessings

[Salvijus]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I did 12 days fast. Zero spiritual benefits.

[Jordan]

I did a 3.5 day water fast and noticed nothing good from it. I did some 1 day dry fasts and it seemed much more beneficial spiritually. 

Edited September 6 by Jordan

[Michael569]

@ICURBlessings thanks! I'll reply to both of your posts a bit later 👍🏻