God paradox?

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, ICURBlessings said:

The only thing you can do ... is realize the Universe as defined in the statement is not God's Creation.

Anything that exists must be God's Creation, by your own definition, since if a thing could exist without needing God to create it, then everything could exist without God, and thus God would not be the creator of anything.

[yetineti]

@Dodo

A few years ago, I became the devil. I took responsibility for all of this rape and suffering people are speaking of. I had terrible dreams of doing things I could’ve never imagined. Things I never have and never will do. I cried that whole day. I just remembered this day. It took so long to integrate it into my life, to forgive myself.

But there I was crying that day. With months of confusion to come. I was perhaps 17 or 18, taking responsibility for killing, wars, lies, deception.

Clear as day, I saw how it was all done and I could see myself doing it. Like you could understand a white lie from someone.

My mental health was terrible. I knew I didn’t do these things personally but I knew even deeper that in some sense or another it was still my responsibility.

So I took responsibility.

Edited August 25 by yetineti

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura

The Theist:

God didn't create rape, because rape is evil.

The Atheist:

Rape is evil; therefore, God doesn't exist, as it has to be what theists believe.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Yes, I don't exist.

Then child rape doesn't exist, and you have nothing to complain about.

The only way for child rape to exist is for you to exist, since you are creating it.

Edited August 25 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura

The Theist:

God didn't create rape, because rape is evil.

The Atheist:

Rape is evil; therefore, God doesn't exist, as it has to be what theists believe.

Yeah, and they're both wrong. Which is why we are having this discussion, so that you don't end up like one of them.

[Dodo]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Then child rape doesn't exist, and you have nothing to complain about.

Manifestation exists, I don't exist. 

Child rape shouldn't exist. I care about creation and what is being manifested! 

Consciousness doesn't exist, creation does, for a limited time. I prefer good dreams, not nightmares.

[Spiritual Warfare]

Theists are the most backward people I have ever witnessed.

[ICURBlessings]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Anything that exists must be God's Creation, by your own definition, since if a thing could exist without needing God to create it, then everything could exist without God, and thus God would not be the creator of anything.

The content of an illusion or a dream exist to the dreamer. In the dream the city, the car, the chair does exist for the dreamer. You can even state that the dream exist. But God's Creation by definition is what Reality means. And by definition an Illusion or a Dream are not Reality.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

I care about creation and what is being manifested!

I prefer good dreams, not nightmares.

Then you exist.

Edited August 25 by Leo Gura

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Then you exist.

Yeah Leo, I am also part of manifestation. 

I am both manifested and unmaanifested, I am both form and formless. Both the 1 and the 0.

Paradox time

Edited August 25 by Dodo

[Leo Gura]

If God didn't create evil, who did?

If evil didn't need a creator then nothing else needs a creator either and God is useless.

And if evil created itself, then it must be God, since anything powerful enough to create itself is God.

Edited August 25 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, and they're both wrong. Which is why we are having this discussion, so that you don't end up like one of them.

@Leo Gura

I think both of them are talking about what their beliefs about god are.

But theists, I think, are more conservative about what they should accept.

Edited August 25 by Nemra

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are many depths and facets of consciousness and God-Realization.

Literally like an aisle-full of flavored water. Which is why spiritual people argue endlessly between themselves.

When it comes to consciousness of your nature the substance doesn't change; your nature is already your nature. The depth of the realization might change and that doesn't make it different than or less true. It is you, after all, whether grasped superficially or with increasing depth.

Of course there are also realizations into the nature of now, others, space, etc. I was talking about what you are. 

Edited August 25 by UnbornTao

[gettoefl]

9 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@Dodo

A few years ago, I became the devil. I took responsibility for all of this rape and suffering people are speaking of. I had terrible dreams of doing things I could’ve never imagined. Things I never have and never will do. I cried that whole day. I just remembered this day. It took so long to integrate it into my life, to forgive myself.

But there I was crying that day. With months of confusion to come. I was perhaps 17 or 18, taking responsibility for killing, wars, lies, deception.

Clear as day, I saw how it was all done and I could see myself doing it. Like you could understand a white lie from someone.

My mental health was terrible. I knew I didn’t do these things personally but I knew even deeper that in some sense or another it was still my responsibility.

So I took responsibility.

good contemplation ... sin would have to mean separation from god, do you really think god would let his beloved child slip away?

of course not and therefore you wrote a bad screenplay played it out on the world stage and next day have woken up and realised you had a nightmare ... god allows his kids to dream however they please to and even make vast universes ... all the while not one note in timeless heaven has missed a beat

[Spiritual Warfare]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If God didn't create evil, who did?

If evil didn't need a creator then nothing else needs a creator either and God is useless.

And if evil created itself, then it must be God, since anything powerful enough to create itself is God.

Another perspective is that evil is not a creation in itself, but a lack of goodness, much like darkness is a lack of light. In this sense, evil would not need a creator but would be a consequence of goodness not always being present.

[ICURBlessings]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

If God didn't create evil, who did? L

And if evil created itself, then it must be God, since anything powerful enough to create itself is God.

If God didn't create evil, who did? The full answer to that requires too much for a post in a thread that is flying all over the place. I will only say that if one agree that the word CREATE or CREATION can only be attributed to REALITY than "creating evil" is fundamentally invalid - a type of oxymoron.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If God didn't create evil, who did?

If evil didn't need a creator then nothing else needs a creator.

And if evil created itself, then it must be God, since anything powerful enough to create itself is God.

Evil only exist as a Possibility, not as an Absolute that it will happen, just as Benevolence is a Possibility, as is with any action or emotion, experience, or situation that can happen or not happen, its all Possibility, what is the deciding factor is You and I, I can choose to be Evil or Benevolent, it has nothing to do with some God or Creator of sorts, Life being akin to God/Absolute, just sets up the playing field, we are here to work it out via our Awareness and then Free Will, Choice and our Ability to Respond!

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

When it comes to consciousness of your nature the substance doesn't change. T

Then why did Ralston recently claim to have reached a new level of self-realization?

Edited August 25 by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

Doesn't flavored water undergo additional artificial chemical processing?

 

Edited August 25 by UnbornTao

[gettoefl]

evil is the silly idea that god's will can be opposed

dream on