What exactly is no mind?

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Davino said:

assure you I am unconscious of many facets of Infinity/Absolute, so are you. This is should be clear if we are humble. There are many facets, many realizations, Infinite Awakenings, modes of being, states, points of view, egos, neurobrainchemistry, bodymind, psyches... 

All of that is relative, how's possible that you don't see it? If there are many absolutes, they are....relative. Absolute is absolutely simple, it's zero, or infinity, that are the same. No form, no quality, absolute potential, absolute simplicity. In the moment that you add anything, it's relative, because it's relative to anything else. It can't be more obvious. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

- student: master, pacify my mind

- master: find it first

- student: can't find it

- master: there, I pacified it for you

 

It might be pointing towards the fact that there already is no such thing as mind except as a prevalent historical construct that's been widely adopted, and we miss that step (that it had to be invented and then adopted).

We often call mind the activity of conceptualizing and the contents of thought and conflate it with internal dialogue and imaging.

❤️Somehow I think this is the case; but I have to do more conceptualizing to see it through. Hehe. Reminds me of this short.

 

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, Davino said:

One thing I have always been grateful for is my ability to see who is beyond me, learn from them and realize in my core being the Ultimate Truths. I see realizers like Sri Anandamayi Ma, Leo Gura, Shivapuri baba, Nithyananda, Adidam... I humble myself and keep working because I know deeply I'm

I have never read mystics or spirituality and I am not going to do it because I can't, the boredom is such that I can't go past page 3. I have zero interest. It is much more practical to meditate and do psychedelics. The infinite facets interest me zero, because they are infinite, so it doesn't matter to me to know one or a billion. I am only interested in my true nature, the total, everything else is stories

[UnbornTao]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

❤️Somehow I think this is the case; but I have to do more conceptualizing to see it through.

Using fire to extinguish fire.  

I guess direct experience is the method.

[Davino]

20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

All of that is relative, how's possible that you don't see it? If there are many absolutes, they are....relative. Absolute is absolutely simple, it's zero, or infinity, that are the same. No form, no quality, absolute potential, absolute simplicity. In the moment that you add anything, it's relative, because it's relative to anything else. It can't be more obvious. 

IT is so

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I am only interested in my true nature, the total, everything else is stories

Yeah, you got your mountain I respect it bro

Enjoy it

[What Am I]

 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, UnbornTao said:

Using fire to extinguish fire.  

I guess direct experience is the method.

You know I was being smart. But I do understand that time got created through thought, so maybe there really is no mind. Idk, I'm just gonna operate as if there's one so I don't lose my mind. Then again, that's just thought. Don't get me to thinking. 🙃🙃

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I am only interested in my true nature, the total, everything else is stories

I like this. For real.

[Davino]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I have never read mystics or spirituality and I am not going to do it because I can't, the boredom is such that I can't go past page 3. I have zero interest. It is much more practical to meditate and do psychedelics.

Do everything

I do all of that

Even more

You see, imagine you wanted to climb all mountains from planet earth. How would you plan that? How would you do it practically speaking?

Both understanding reading technichal study

As well as learning, practicising and working with highly talented coachs or individuals that can show how they do it.

Moreover, I myself will have to climb and experience the journey of conquering a mountain. 

Like tea, each day one does and tastes, how is it? Then one understands, too much weed, too much water, not hot enough, like this everyday one learns. Both in practice as well as theory, which is intellectual understanding, mental practice and sport.

Do everything

And more

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

IT is so

If you manage to open your mind to total emptiness, everything is obvious. The problem is that it is very difficult, there are many layers of identification, of form. I know that for me it would be impossible without psychedelics, and I know exactly why, I perfectly perceive my barriers. For example, yesterday, to break them for a while, I took 50 ug of LSD, then a sufficient dose of THC, and when my mind was a kind of viscous sludge, at 3 in the morning, in bed, I took 5meo dmt in a high dose 3 times. 3 because not the first 2...almost but no. the third yes. full opening. the total absolute, me, eternal, empty, bottomless, as it has always been, now, without any illusion. There is no more than that. More is less. 

[Davino]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem is that it is very difficult, there are many layers of identification, of form.

Yes, there's a lot of conditioning

It takes a lot to fully dissolve through each and every single one of them

Infinite Clarity

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

at 3 in the morning, in bed, I took 5meo dmt in a high dose 3 times. 3 because not the first 2...almost but no. the third yes. full opening. the total absolute, me, eternal, empty, bottomless, as it has always been, now, without any illusion. There is no more than that. More is less. 

Mmmm

Sweet Spot

In the INFINITE FIELD OF CONSCIOUSNESS STATES

[UnbornTao]

22 minutes ago, What Am I said:

 

The perfect koan.

 

[Davino]

24 minutes ago, What Am I said:

 

Oh, that's a good one

The Simpsons did it again

Damn it!

[ICURBlessings]

You can reduce the word Mind to being just that, a word, an invention, a conceptual invention. You can do that with every concept and every word.

If you do that, if you free your MIND - sorry for using the 'WORD' - from every possible concept what do you end up with?

List of ANSWERS:

 

• There is no word for that.
• Nothing
• Everything
• Beingness
• Consciousness
• Pure Mind
• Etc...

 

To claim one word is right and another is not - is it not a completely ridiculous game?

Words will always be Tools, Symbols that points to something else. They are mean of communication so that we understand each other.

A word like Mind is used in hundred different ways, if we DON'T understand the way someone is using the word, who is making the error?

 

[Princess Arabia]

4 minutes ago, ICURBlessings said:

You can reduce the word Mind to being just that, a word, an invention, a conceptual invention. You can do that with every concept and every word.

If you do that, if you free your MIND - sorry for using the 'WORD' - from every possible concept what do you end up with?

List of ANSWERS:

 

• There is no word for that.
• Nothing
• Everything
• Beingness
• Consciousness
• Pure Mind
• Etc...

 

To claim one word is right and another is not - is it not a completely ridiculous game?

Words will always be Tools, Symbols that points to something else. They are mean of communication so that we understand each other.

A word like Mind is used in hundred different ways, if we DON'T understand the way someone is using the word, who is making the error?

 

Nice point. Very nice. Didn't think of it that way and I'm always the one saying "that's just a word". Never thought to correlate it with the word MIND. I guess it's the mind that didn't want to call itself "just a word". See how tricky that mind can be. It calls everything else out, but to itself, it wants to be THE MIND. The only word not made up. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Yes, there's a lot of conditioning

It takes a lot to fully dissolve through each and every single one of them

Infinite Clarity

Mmmm

Sweet Spot

In the INFINITE FIELD OF CONSCIOUSNESS STATES

1 hour ago, Davino said:

IT is so

The goal is achieve the total openess being sober, but little by little. For now drugs are needed. But drugs are not a guarantee. I need a whole day meditating, then do 5 meo many times and only sometimes the thing happens. 

I assure you that it is not a psychedelic state of consciousness, nor a hallucination, nor a facet of the infinite. It is the total opening of the now. the dissolution of the barrier of the psyche that creates forms and the total opening to the formless, where you recognize yourself as the unfathomable. There is nothing more than this, it is the end of the road. any more is less

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall I'll consider it as a possibility.

As I continue to work new evidence and Awakenings may come. This is my understanding, state and consciousness for the moment being.

[Keryo Koffa]

13 minutes ago, Davino said:

I'll consider it as a possibility. As I continue to work new evidence and Awakenings may come.

Sounds like a Yin-Yang dilemma, you're each deepening two ends of Infinity respectively 😁

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Sounds like a Yin-Yang dilemma, you're each deepening two ends of Infinity respectively 😁

I think that it is something very simple and very clear. Let's see, the absolute really is everything, right? hence we call it absolute, but it seems relative. What we try in spirituality is simply to see. The problem we have is that we are trapped in a relative appearance, in the form. the form is the absolute, but it seems relative, and it seems so very profoundly. There are many layers of fear and attachment that come from animal instinct, from struggle and terror to death, that keep our perception firmly trapped.

The goal is to get your head out of the mud and see with absolute clarity what you are. because here, and now, you are. and what you are is reality itself, existence. at this very moment, existence is. but it is covered in a multicolored tapestry of movement that makes only that movement perceptible, nothing more. You have to stop the movement, open the tapestry. not to change the tapestry for another more divine one, but to open it, let it fall, and open our eyes to the unfathomable abyss of existence now. There is a problem with this, a problem of courage and honesty. It is terrifying to let the tapestry fall and you, in the absolute solitude of total existence, see yourself. there are no balls, seriously. then you cling to multiple stories, god, dimensions, etc. No. The point here is absolute emptiness, the absolute absence of everything. Do you understand the depth of attachment you have to "something"? It's huge. Well, what you have to do is let go of it, and open your eyes and your heart completely to total emptiness. and in this act, absolute glory is manifested. do you understand it? No, because it is incomprehensible. It is above understanding, understanding is a toy of the absolute, it means absolutely nothing, you must let it go. That greedy understanding that wants to put reality in its pocket is an illusion. When you jump headlong into the void, understanding must be left behind.