What exactly is no mind?

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Princess Arabia You are just pretending you need to think to do it because you want to be alive. The body moves by itself you already programmed it how to get water. You can say yes or no that's it. Your imagination says shower you say yes thats all you need stop thinking after that. Anything you do after that is just programming you dont trust yourself enough to let go so you pretend like you are doing it. Everytime you interact with a thought another will come so you keep interacting with the thoughts of the body you end up thinking for a long time pretending like you are doing it but you are just saying yes or no to the thoughts. Stop saying yes or no to thought they go. Talking is saying yes twice to a thought.

I guess when you say "you", you're speaking generally and not about me personally. Thanks for your input.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, ICURBlessings said:

When someone has an allergic reaction, it is a response in accord with a program that is held in the Mind.

Can you explain this a little but more for me, though. When you say "program that is held in the Mind", do you mean the Universal mind - the field of consciousness as you stated before, or in the individual's mind as in subconscious mind. 

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Salvijus]

"nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished" ~Lao Tzu

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

"nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished" ~Lao Tzu

❤️

[James123]

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

How does one function with no mind. If I want to go get a glass of water, first I have that thought. Then I act on it. If I want to set my alarm, first the thought appears in the mind then the body moves into action. Doesn't actions follow thought (mind)? Writing this required thought and processes of the mind. To write a book, to make a speech, to interact with people, to think about what to do next. All requires mind and thought.

Make me understand no mind, please.

 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, James123 said:

 

Is that blank response a no mind response. Was that deliberate on your part.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Is that blank response a no mind response. Was that deliberate on your part.

Any words / thoughts comes from the mind.

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

"nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished" ~Lao Tzu

"The cheeta hurries to catch the gazelle, or nothing is accomplished."

- Leo Tzu

Edited August 24 by Leo Gura

[What Am I]

Here's a pretty good definition by an AI chatbot. This aligns with my understanding and experience, so I figure it's worth sharing.

 

In mysticism, "no-mind" (also known as "no-thought" or "thoughtless awareness") refers to a state of consciousness where the mind is free from thoughts, concepts, and mental constructs. It is a state of awareness that transcends the thinking mind, where the individual experiences a sense of unity, clarity, and freedom from the constant chatter of the mind.

In this state, the mind is not actively thinking, reasoning, or conceptualizing. Instead, it is a state of pure awareness, where the individual is fully present and aware of the present moment, without the filter of thoughts, emotions, or mental conditioning.

The concept of no-mind is often associated with Eastern spiritual traditions, such as Buddhism, Taoism, and Advaita Vedanta. It is seen as a state of liberation from the limitations of the thinking mind, where the individual can experience a deeper sense of reality, unencumbered by the constraints of thought and conceptualization.

No-mind is not the same as a blank or empty mind, but rather a mind that is fully aware and present, yet unencumbered by thoughts and mental constructs. It is a state of awareness that is often described as effortless, spontaneous, and natural.

In practical terms, no-mind can be experienced through various spiritual practices, such as meditation, mindfulness, and contemplation. These practices help to quiet the mind, allowing the individual to access a deeper state of awareness and experience the world in a more direct and unfiltered way.

[What Am I]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"The cheeta hurries to catch the gazelle, or nothing is accomplished."

- Leo Tzu

lol not bad

[What Am I]

And here's a description from Adyashanti of the after-effects of one of his awakenings. This aligns extremely strongly with my 5-MeO-DMT experiences. Awareness is laid bare in the present moment to such a degree, it's as if everything in reality now has 100% persistent novelty. Like Adyashanti mentions, it's a miraculous state of existence. It truly needs to be experienced to be understood.

The next thing that happened was that I took a step, just an ordinary step. It felt like the way a baby does when it takes his first good step and then smiles and looks around as if to say, “Did you see that?” and you can see his joy. So I took a step, and it was like, “Wow! The first step!” and another step, and then another, and I kept moving in circles because every step was the first step. It was a miracle.

In each “first” step, formless consciousness and Oneness just merged together so that the awakeness that had always identified itself as form was now actually inside of the form, unidentified. It wasn’t looking through any thoughts or memories of what had come before, just through the five senses. With no history or memory, every step felt like a first step.

Edited August 24 by What Am I

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any words / thoughts comes from the mind.

No kidding!

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, What Am I said:

And here's a description from Adyashanti of the after-effects of one of his awakenings. This aligns extremely strongly with my 5-MeO-DMT experiences. Awareness is laid bare in the present moment to such a degree, it's as if everything in reality now has 100% persistent novelty. Like Adyashanti mentions, it's a miraculous state of existence. It truly needs to be experienced to be understood.

The next thing that happened was that I took a step, just an ordinary step. It felt like the way a baby does when it takes his first good step and then smiles and looks around as if to say, “Did you see that?” and you can see his joy. So I took a step, and it was like, “Wow! The first step!” and another step, and then another, and I kept moving in circles because every step was the first step. It was a miracle.

In each “first” step, formless consciousness and Oneness just merged together so that the awakeness that had always identified itself as form was now actually inside of the form, unidentified. It wasn’t looking through any thoughts or memories of what had come before, just through the five senses. With no history or memory, every step felt like a first step.

I like that. Meditation is definitely needed to put the conditioned mind in that state. It's the best state to be in for healing to occur more rapidly.

[Princess Arabia]

18 minutes ago, What Am I said:

No-mind is not the same as a blank or empty mind, but rather a mind that is fully aware and present, yet unencumbered by thoughts and mental constructs. It is a state of awareness that is often described as effortless, spontaneous, and natural.

This is the key right here in regards to my inquiry. Thank you. That's the difference.

[What Am I]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I like that. Meditation is definitely needed to put the conditioned mind in that state. It's the best state to be in for healing to occur more rapidly.

Yes, exactly. Excellent observation. When you're in this state, a type of somatic cleansing naturally occurs. Traumas, or rather, little pieces of your false sense of self, are palpably shaken loose from your energetic system. It's a profound form of healing that produces very obvious results in your everyday life.

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is the key right here in regards to my inquiry. Thank you. That's the difference.

Awesome, that line stood out to me as well. It's a very important distinction in the understanding of the heightened state we're aiming for here. The mind doesn't seem to disappear per se, but rather it takes its rightful place as slave instead of master. The true identity as consciousness is revealed. This in turn causes the mind to be quiet, as it no longer needs to jabber on to maintain the facade of your false identity.

Edited August 24 by What Am I

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Yes, exactly. Excellent observation. When you're in this state, a type of somatic cleansing naturally occurs. Traumas, or rather, little pieces of your false sense of self, are palpably shaken loose from your energetic system. It's a profound form of healing that produces very obvious results in your everyday life.

I learnt that from RJ Spina. His explanation resonated with me and made a lot of sense, just like you're saying here.

 

8 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Awesome, that line stood out to me as well. It's a very important distinction in the understanding of the heightened state we're aiming for here. The mind doesn't seem to disappear per se, but rather it takes its rightful place as slave instead of master. The true identity as consciousness is revealed. This in turn causes the mind to be quiet, as it no longer needs to jabber on to maintain the facade of your false identity.

Yes, that's the distinction I wanted to get clear with. I understand my inquiry better now thanks to all you brilliant "no minds". Hehe.

[What Am I]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, that's the distinction I wanted to get clear with. I understand my inquiry better now thanks to all you brilliant "no minds". Hehe.

[Princess Arabia]

The mind is my favorite thing to discuss in Spirituality as, to me, it's the bases of all understanding. In essence, ALL IS MIND, so It's crucial to understand how the mind works in order to get at the core of one's being. Basic psychology was my study in first year of college (only year), won't get into that, but with Pavlov and his dog lol, but that's low-level stuff compared to what I'm learning while engaging with Spiritual work and how the mind works. I'm always up for this kind of stuff. 

I've been observing my own mind and, boy, it's a piece of work. I have to constantly be putting it into check and trying to apply certain practices that I've become familiar with from certain high-level teachings. I prefer to understand why these practices work; and as I see the results, it gets more embedded within me. I can spot certain conditioned programs easier now; and I can see where I'm being led by them instead of consciously choosing. I've noticed changes that already came from constantly, and over time, instilling new thought patterns just by repetition and not allowing the mind to instill fear and doubt; but it takes for different programs to change one by one to see an overall change in identity where all areas of one's life has been transformed. It's really deeply embedded in one's psyche and takes more than just affirmations and blueboards.

Edited August 24 by Princess Arabia

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

The mind is my favorite thing to discuss in Spirituality as, to me, it's the bases of all understanding. In essence, ALL IS MIND, so It's crucial to understand how the mind works in order to get at the core of one's being. Basic psychology was my study in first year of college (only year), won't get into that, but with Pavlov and his dog lol, but that's low-level stuff compared to what I'm learning while engaging with Spiritual work and how the mind works. I'm always up for this kind of stuff. 

I've been observing my own mind and, boy, it's a piece of work. I have to constantly be putting it into check and trying to apply certain practices that I've become familiar with from certain high-level teachings. I prefer to understand why these practices work; and as I see the results, it gets more embedded within me. I can spot certain conditioned programs easier now; and I can see where I'm being led by them instead of consciously choosing. I've noticed changes that already came from constantly, and over time, instilling new thought patterns just by repetition and not allowing the mind to instill fear and doubt; but it takes for different programs to change one by one to see an overall change in identity where all areas of one's life has been transformed. It's really deeply embedded in one's psyche and takes more than just affirmations and blueboards.

What if that whole thing was the only obstacle to realizing God? What would you do?

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

What if that whole thing was the only obstacle to realizing God? What would you do?

Hmmm..is it?