Everything Is Rredetermined Says Ramana Maharshi

[eTorro]

The actor imagining himself to be the character suffers. But if he realizes that he is *not* the character, then he is free even while playing the role. So the apparent 3 karmas (of the character) are all predetermined, every single bit. There is no freedom at the body/mind level which is where all karma takes place. But there is total freedom when karma is renounced within’.

He then added that this is made clear by Bhagavan in two passages recorded in Day by Day with Bhagavan, one on 1-6-46 (1989 edition, pages 211-2; 2002 edition, page 245), the third sentence of which he highlighted in bold:

Quote

 

It does not really rest with a man whether he goes to this place or that or whether he gives up his duties or not. All that happens according to destiny. All the activities that the body is to go through are determined when it first comes into existence. It does not rest with you to accept or reject them. The only freedom you have is to turn your mind inward and renounce activities there.

 

and the other on 4-1-46 Afternoon (1989 edition, page 78; 2002 edition, pages 91-2):

I asked him, “Are only important events in a man’s life, such as his main occupation or profession, predetermined, or are trifling acts in his life, such as taking a cup of water or moving from one place in the room to another, also predetermined?”

Quote

Bhagavan: Yes, everything is predetermined.

What are your thoughts on this?

[Keryo Koffa]

It reminds me of how science prescribes reality through determinist laws

But here, you can go 'within' to 'renounce' karma

What is this 'within' like?...

[Atb210201]

I'd say everything is predetermined within the field of infinite possibilities

So determinism and free will both become true this way

[Ishanga]

Everything is predetermined to have happened After the Fact, or After the Moment has happened, before the Moment has happened everything is an open Possibility! The only question for Us Humans is are we open to the next Possibility or closed to it??

The Body and Mind are full of Karma, which is just conditioned memory of sorts, which can be interpreted as Predetermined stuffs, but You are not the Body and Mind, but Life, that has a Body and Mind to use on this realm/planet dual world to play out the Game of Life! What is really You is not predetermined in any way, its dynamic, alive and full of Potential!

Edited August 25 by Ishanga