Death

[Dave]

For what I have experienced so far, there always has been one thing that protruded. Death. There is probably an infinite number of ways to achieve enlightenment, some of them are more convenient, some of them less. I haven´t had much time to experience that many things in life so I´d feel like I can say this. So I ask You, the elder ones, adults. Isn´t death the ultimate self-destructive philosophy that leads to enlightenment ? No matter what way you choose, death will always be there, so why the fuck should you waste time with all the bullshit around and go straight to the death, face it, full on. Why should you notice your lies, when ultimately you end up with the fear of death? Why would you destroy your knowledge graph, when ultimately the purpose its build for, is to escape death, through mastering laws and nature? Why wouldn´t you go straight to the death itself, confront it, defeat it and be free. It is probably of my young age that i haven´t build up any long lasting illusions in life, so this is, in a way, easier for me. So in the end its only about courage you have within you. More courage means less bullshit and getting to the actual fight. Less courage means more bullshit, You need to uncover to see, in the end, death and confront it anyway. I understand for some this may seem too easy or weird or smth... But have you ever dared to confront death ? It is the ultimate fear you have, isn´it ? So why shouldn´t you confront it rightaway ?

Dave

[Natasha]

I get your point, Dave.  Remember in the movie Matrix, the two pills, blue and red? The blue of "I am separate, I have free will" and the red one of "Everything is one energy at play"?  The mind created reality, the illusion, is actually fun and we don't have to get rid of that. I like Tony Parsons' definition of 'death' as the end of the illusion that there was someone. We are all given the chance of this body and mind only once, so why not keep the illusion of 'me' around till death do us part. Playing in the world of forms sounds like fun and adventure. Death is not the opposite of life, but only opposite of birth, so your true 'you' will never die. It's already immortal. 

[cly]

Uh, sometimes I see life as a video video game (I have never played too many video games, but I'm not clueless..I just grew up on pac man, frogger, asteroids...etc, arcade days...) any way, I still will occasionally envision life is like a big video game and I chose myself as my player and you sort of puppet yourself from some other universe(future)...anyway, you don't want to die and have your "Game Over" ...you want to play it out and do the best you can with whatever tools or circumstances you came in with for as long as you can..  And like a video game you can pump up your strength or intelligence or whatever during your life(game), best you can do to be comfortable/happy, and still play inside what I call the "face value" world. Face value meaning, take everything at face value, it's real, not a video game!..  Like I said I have thought this occasionally and used this to help me understand different challenges or difficulties I have been through... I think it helps.  It makes some of life's little surprise challenges seem more fun to overcome!

[jjer94]

Yes, practicing death-awareness, i.e. Memento Mori, is probably the simplest, most effective method for becoming disillusioned. That doesn't mean kill yourself; it just means exposing yourself regularly to the notion of death. You can do that by hanging out in cemeteries, looking down from steep cliffs, convening with pictures of dead people, thinking about how you will end up dying, and countless other ways.

"We've homogenized our lives by hiding the parts we're afraid of, and in so doing, we've removed all sense of urgency from life. We have taken death out of life and that allows us to live unconsciously. Death never left, of course, we've just turned away from it, pretended it wasn't there. If we wish to awaken - and that's a mighty big if - then we must welcome death back into our lives. Death is our personal Zen Master, our source of power, our path to lucidity, but we have to stop running from it in a blind panic. We need only stop and turn around  and there it is, inches away, staring at us with unblinking gaze, finger poised, every second of our lives. That finger is the one true thing in the dream state, and it will, for a fact, come down.

Maybe all this sounds morbid or depressing to you. Maybe you think death is the opposite of life, or that all this death-awareness stuff translates into the end of happiness and good times, but this is not the case. Death isn't morbid, fear is morbid. Death doesn't oppose life, fear opposes life. To close your eyes to death is to close them to life; what could be more morbid than that? From your perspective, death and suicide are horrific and unthinkable. From my perspective, they are empowering and life-affirming, and I would look at any person that doesn't have an open honest relationship with these subjects as themselves nine parts dead." --Jed McKenna

[Dave]

You did not get my point. I have also watched Leo's videos, but that does not make me enlightened. It only means that I am aware of the illusion. Now its on me to disolve it. Here I am talking about certain way to do so as cleanly and fast as possible. So please do not answer me with some metaphor about Truth, I understand Truth as much as I can as a human. That means I do not understand it at all, because I simply cant nor can you.

Plus I do not agree that death is oposite to being born. You can be born dead. Oposite to be born is simply unborn. When you say youre dead, you know that you are not alive. When you say you were born,nothing concludes if you are dead or not.

 

"Life and death are both sides of one coin and in the end, they merge, so there is nothing left, nothing but the Truth, for only the Truth can exist in both."

 

All the things youre talking about are, for me, certain parts of life. None of them is part of death. There are all sorts of emotions - anger, sadness,happiness, etc.. And to get to life itself you need to disolve all of these. Therefore the more emotions you have, the harder it gets and more time is needed. What I propose here is ,that you can take a shortcut, if you are brave enough, and you can skip disolving these illusions, because they will disolve on their own. 

 

Imagine a room. This room represents enlightenment. The room has doors. These doors represents both life and death. Thats how it is at the begining. Throughout your time you cut these doors in half, right down the middle, and name them life and death. You move death doors to the other side of the room and you explore life. You experience all the ups and downs throughout the life, when the moment of realization comes. Oh shit. Its one, life and death are part of one whole. Thats the point where you can make use of the separation. All the illusions are focused on the life doors, so what you do is you need to find those death doors and enter the room through them. You entered the room, you are enlightened. What about the other doors ? What about all the illusions? There are no doors, there is no room nor are there any illusions. There is only the Truth left, therefore there is nothing else.

Now how do you find those doors ?  As jjer94 has said, you need to raise your death awarness, then you can see it more clearly.

I dont really know if this works, for I have not gone that far to say so. Fact is that a week of this "death work" shifted me more than 3 months of disolving illusions like lies and opinions. I see it as a more radical and efficient way to disolve yourself. And it is working so far.

 

"All the things, great and small, die."

 

Dave