Two tier policing debunked

[Consept]

30 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

Tommy Robinson is not a neo nazi. He is a hero. He will go down as the greatest hero in Britain's history. He constantly faces threat to his life. He is still facing a warrant. He has the biggest balls on planet earth. And if he gets jailed or arrested or worse assassinated, Britain will go up in flames. The British citizens have had enough of the debauchery and mayhem and Tommy Robinson has been the whistle blower for the longest time. Whether you like it or not, the British public knows better, that's why the riots happened, they have had enough. 

 this almost feels like satire. No he's not a hero and will not go down as a hero. You're really over exaggerating his influence on the UK, he literally has the power to rile up a few ex-football hooligans and cause a bit of mayhem every now and then through his hatred of Islam, which is mainly because of his zionist paymasters. 

He's a thug that had found a way to make some money stoking up hate, no one cares about him here in the UK. 

I am curious why you love him so much, what documentary did you watch or what happened?

Here's him being exposed by an ex-colleague 

 

 

[Jacob Morres]

11 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Tommy Robinson is a hero. 

"Tommy Robinson, is a British anti-Islam campaigner and one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists.[4]

Robinson has been active in far-right politics for many years. He was a member of the British National Party (BNP), a British fascist political party, from 2004 to 2005. "

this dude's your hero? dude with takes like this you really need to revisit some of your beliefs. you legit just called a known fascist a hero 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

 

Edited August 21 by Jacob Morres

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Jacob Morres said:

"Tommy Robinson, is a British anti-Islam campaigner and one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists.[4]

Robinson has been active in far-right politics for many years. He was a member of the British National Party (BNP), a British fascist political party, from 2004 to 2005. "

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)

this dude's your hero? dude with takes like this you really need to revisit some of your beliefs

 

He is not anti-islam. He is just anti-violence. In fact he left far right groups. 

[Jacob Morres]

 

3 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

He is not anti-islam. He is just anti-violence. In fact he left far right groups. 

anti-violence? i mean idk much about the dude but off the wikipedia page

"Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton the previous year. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted, "EDL till I die." He was sentenced to a 12-month community rehabilitation order with 150 hours of unpaid work and a three-year ban from attending football matches.[26][27]

Robinson was arrested again after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets in September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration. Robinson later began a hunger strike while on remand in HM Prison Bedford, saying that he was a "political prisoner of the state",[28] and refused to eat what he believed was halal meat.[29] A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Robinson during his incarceration; the support peaked at a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September.[30] Robinson was released on bail on 12 September.[31]

On 29 September 2011, Robinson was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.[32][27] He was sentenced to 12 weeks' imprisonment, suspended for 12 months.[33]"

Edited August 21 by Jacob Morres

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Jacob Morres said:

 

i mean idk much about the dude but off the wikipedia page

"Robinson was convicted in 2011 of using "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" during a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton the previous year. Robinson reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting a 100-man brawl, during which he chanted, "EDL till I die." He was sentenced to a 12-month community rehabilitation order with 150 hours of unpaid work and a three-year ban from attending football matches.[26][27]

Robinson was arrested again after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets in September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending that demonstration. Robinson later began a hunger strike while on remand in HM Prison Bedford, saying that he was a "political prisoner of the state",[28] and refused to eat what he believed was halal meat.[29] A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Robinson during his incarceration; the support peaked at a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September.[30] Robinson was released on b30] RobinsSeptember.[31]

On 29 September 2011, RobinsonOn 29 Sepcted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year.[32][27] He was sentenced to 12 weeks' imprisonment, suspended for 12 months.[33]"

You can never talk about a person from Wikipedia or the internet or media. If you Google Leo Gura, you'll see horrible things written about him too. The internet especially Wikipedia depicts people in horrible ways. If he was such a horrible person, Jordan Peterson wouldn't have an interviewed him on his podcast just last week. If you go by people's definitions on the internet you'll see them painted the wrong way almost 99% of the time. You gotta watch their interviews to get a feel of the real person they are. 

[Jacob Morres]

@Buck Edwards

i can relate to there being inaccurate perceptions of people - but i dont think that's the case here

like one being a former member of a fascist political party should raise alarm bells i think 

[Consept]

16 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

You can never talk about a person from Wikipedia or the internet or media. If you Google Leo Gura, you'll see horrible things written about him too. The internet especially Wikipedia depicts people in horrible ways. If he was such a horrible person, Jordan Peterson wouldn't have an interviewed him on his podcast just last week. If you go by people's definitions on the internet you'll see them painted the wrong way almost 99% of the time. You gotta watch their interviews to get a feel of the real person they are. 

If you want to dispute something ou should dispute the facts presented not the source of the facts. All these convictions are in the records, if we gave you direct evidence from the prison authority about his convictions, would that change your mind on him?

He is very much anti-islam, there have been numerous convictions of people within his own group of violence, rape, pedophilia of which he has never called out. It is interesting how convincing he is for some people, i cant imagine watching him and thinking, 'this is a hero'

Heres some of the greatest hits from an anti-violent guy -

 

[Buck Edwards]

@Consept so you believe the media and the Wikipedia. Here's a beautiful takedown of the BBC for you. Watch it before it gets taken down. Be careful about what you believe and what you watch. Watch it full if you care about truth. 

 

Edited August 22 by Buck Edwards

[Consept]

29 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

@Consept so you believe the media and the Wikipedia. Here's a beautiful takedown of the BBC for you. Watch it before it gets taken down. Be careful about what you believe and what you watch. Watch it full if you care about truth. 

 

I believe what I can verify as true no matter the source. You do understand you haven't actually refuted a single point anyone's raised. @Jacob Morresposted his convictions via Wikipedia but these all have sources, wikipedia is jist presnting them, are you disputing the sources which is literally the criminal justice system? 

Also you claim he's anti-violent yet I shared 3 clips of him literally being aggressively violent, how do you account for that? Please do not deflect as well, just stay on topic. 

It's also funny how you say don't trust BBC and Wikipedia even though they have lots of regulations (not saying they're perfect) but trust this random tommy robinson fan that made a documentary on youtube, little but hypocritical no?

Edited August 22 by Consept

[Buck Edwards]

33 minutes ago, Consept said:

It's also funny how you say don't trust BBC and Wikipedia even though they have lots of regulations (not saying they're perfect) but trust this random tommy robinson fan that made a documentary on youtube, little but hypocritical no?

Its a documentary. At least watch it. 

[Consept]

3 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Its a documentary. At least watch it. 

I'm not gonna watch a 2 hour propaganda documentary made by Tommy robinson fans. Especially as you haven't actually given a response to any of the points raised. 

If I can guess the doc will talk about how he's a hero of working class Britain, how he's unfairly targeted by a system that let's Muslims get away with criminal acts, how he hasn't got freedom of speech, how he's a journalist and activist that only cares about Britain and is definitely not racist because he had black and Asian friends. Am I close?

[Jacob Morres]

Asked Perplexity, "what islamaphobic things has tommy robinson done?"

@Buck Edwards

Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, has a long history of Islamophobic actions and statements. Here are some of the key Islamophobic things he has done:

1. Co-founded the English Defence League (EDL), a racist organization known for its anti-Muslim demonstrations that often turned violent[1]. EDL rallies frequently featured Islamophobic chants and actions, such as supporters shouting "Allah is a paedo" and "Burn the mosque!"[1]

2. Called for a ban on Muslim immigration and claimed that migrants entering Europe are "harassing women, they're raping women, they're culturally and ideologically, not going to assimilate"[1].

3. Stated he would "personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow" if he could, referring to them as "Fake refugees"[1].

4. Described Islam as a "disease" and promoted the idea that Muslims are invading Europe[1].

5. Participated in and organized numerous anti-Islam demonstrations and rallies, including with Pegida UK, an offshoot of a German anti-immigration organization[2].

6. Wrote an autobiography titled "Enemy of the State," which promotes his anti-Islam views[2].

7. Pushed conspiracy theories about British police refusing to prosecute sexual assault cases involving Asian men due to fears of being labeled racist[3].

8. Stated explicitly, "I'm not far-right...I'm just opposed to Islam. I believe it's backward and it's fascist"[3].

9. Claimed that the refugee crisis is "nothing to do with refugees. It's a Muslim invasion of Europe"[3].

10. Participated in international "counter-jihad" events, promoting anti-Muslim sentiment across Europe[2].

Robinson's actions and statements have consistently targeted Muslims as a whole, despite his occasional claims of only opposing "extremists." His influence has extended beyond the UK, with connections to anti-Muslim activists and organizations in other countries[1][4].

Citations:
[1] https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-tommy-robinson/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)
[3] https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/uk-who-is-uk-far-right-tommy-robinson
[4] https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/11/01/uk-anti-muslim-antagonist-tommy-robinson-plans-international-speaking-tour
[5] https://www.newarab.com/news/tommy-robinson-far-right-march-sees-anti-islam-chants-london
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamophobic_incidents
[7] https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/anti-muslim
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_the_United_States

Edited August 22 by Jacob Morres

[Epikur]

2 hours ago, Consept said:

I'm not gonna watch a 2 hour propaganda documentary made by Tommy robinson fans. Especially as you haven't actually given a response to any of the points raised. 

If I can guess the doc will talk about how he's a hero of working class Britain, how he's unfairly targeted by a system that let's Muslims get away with criminal acts, how he hasn't got freedom of speech, how he's a journalist and activist that only cares about Britain and is definitely not racist because he had black and Asian friends. Am I close?

The thing is if he did bring the receits. You will never know if you don't watch it. I think you should not watch it because you do not care. Like with the grooming gangs what you love doing is obfuscation. What Tommy wants is what most people in Europe want. He woke them up. Look many countries recently Sweden stop immigration of muslims for a reason. Why is it that? You don't care. You want obfuscation. 
 

 

[Epikur]

1 hour ago, Jacob Morres said:

Asked Perplexity, "what islamaphobic things has tommy robinson done?"

@Buck Edwards

Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, has a long history of Islamophobic actions and statements. Here are some of the key Islamophobic things he has done:

1. Co-founded the English Defence League (EDL), a racist organization known for its anti-Muslim demonstrations that often turned violent[1]. EDL rallies frequently featured Islamophobic chants and actions, such as supporters shouting "Allah is a paedo" and "Burn the mosque!"[1]

2. Called for a ban on Muslim immigration and claimed that migrants entering Europe are "harassing women, they're raping women, they're culturally and ideologically, not going to assimilate"[1].

3. Stated he would "personally send every adult male Muslim that has come into the EU over the past 12 months back tomorrow" if he could, referring to them as "Fake refugees"[1].

4. Described Islam as a "disease" and promoted the idea that Muslims are invading Europe[1].

5. Participated in and organized numerous anti-Islam demonstrations and rallies, including with Pegida UK, an offshoot of a German anti-immigration organization[2].

6. Wrote an autobiography titled "Enemy of the State," which promotes his anti-Islam views[2].

7. Pushed conspiracy theories about British police refusing to prosecute sexual assault cases involving Asian men due to fears of being labeled racist[3].

8. Stated explicitly, "I'm not far-right...I'm just opposed to Islam. I believe it's backward and it's fascist"[3].

9. Claimed that the refugee crisis is "nothing to do with refugees. It's a Muslim invasion of Europe"[3].

10. Participated in international "counter-jihad" events, promoting anti-Muslim sentiment across Europe[2].

Robinson's actions and statements have consistently targeted Muslims as a whole, despite his occasional claims of only opposing "extremists." His influence has extended beyond the UK, with connections to anti-Muslim activists and organizations in other countries[1][4].

Citations:
[1] https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/factsheet-tommy-robinson/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist)
[3] https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/uk-who-is-uk-far-right-tommy-robinson
[4] https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/11/01/uk-anti-muslim-antagonist-tommy-robinson-plans-international-speaking-tour
[5] https://www.newarab.com/news/tommy-robinson-far-right-march-sees-anti-islam-chants-london
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamophobic_incidents
[7] https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/anti-muslim
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_the_United_States

Then half of Europe is islamophobic. Jail them.

[Consept]

38 minutes ago, Epikur said:

The thing is if he did bring the receits. You will never know if you don't watch it. I think you should not watch it because you do not care. Like with the grooming gangs what you love doing is obfuscation. What Tommy wants is what most people in Europe want. He woke them up. Look many countries recently Sweden stop immigration of muslims for a reason. Why is it that? You don't care. You want obfuscation. 

Im still waiting for you to give a valid argument against the original video. Do you care about the white grooming gangs or the massive problem of sex trafficking in eastern european countries that dont have many immigrants? 

There are thousands of victims of human trafficking every year in eastern europe, its literally a multi billion industry.  

This seems like a bigger issue, dont you think? Why isnt Tommy Robinson focused on this? Do you think if there were brown immigrants that were the perpetrators that he might be?

I havent obfuscated anything, youve deflected away from the central point because youre not actually able to answer anything. 

Can i ask you because i am trying to understand where youre coming from Id apprciate if you could answer these questions clearl -

Do you think muslims are more likely to commit crimes just by virtue of being muslim? 

Do you think that if a section of an ethnic group commits crimes, the whole ethnic group should be punished?

Do you think its justified to treat legal immigrants badly because of perceived crimes?

Do you think muslims are inherently bad people? 

 

[Buck Edwards]

@Consept if you call truth propaganda and propoganda truth, then I'm not interested in debating further with you. Your video is nothing but leftist propoganda that most of Britain doesn't agree with. You can be happy knowing that your  opinion is a minority as the majority doesn't think that way. Just because a video is made by a fan, it doesn't become propoganda. You dismiss the truth then you don't want to care about the truth then it's end of discussion. By the way people are going to have different opinions and you should have the open mindedness to receive them if you're going to open a thread, you can't just passively expect people to simply agree with you, this is not a competition of who wins, it's about sharing opinions whether you like it or not, it's the internet. 

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, Epikur said:

The thing is if he did bring the receits. You will never know if you don't watch it. I think you should not watch it because you do not care. Like with the grooming gangs what you love doing is obfuscation. What Tommy wants is what most people in Europe want. He woke them up. Look many countries recently Sweden stop immigration of muslims for a reason. Why is it that? You don't care. You want obfuscation. 
 

 

Agreed. 

[Consept]

24 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

By the way people are going to have different opinions and you should have the open mindedness to receive them if you're going to open a thread, you can't just passively expect people to simply agree with you, this is not a competition of who wins, it's about sharing opinions whether you like it or not, it's the internet. 

I'm more than open to changing my mind and I'm not expecting you to agree. But if you are going to engage you have to come with an argument and some evidence. Your argument in your first post was something along the lines of "two tier policing exists and everyone on the UK knows it". 

Do you get how this isn't really a good argument? Also I haven't passively expected anything, I've presented numerous arguments that you haven't actually addressed. If you just want to say 'I'm going to have my opinion no matter what you say' then fair enough but obviously there's not gonna be any discussion. 

24 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

if you call truth propaganda and propoganda truth, then I'm not interested in debating further with you. Your video is nothing but leftist propoganda that most of Britain doesn't agree with. You can be happy knowing that your  opinion is a minority as the majority doesn't think that way. Just because a video is made by a fan, it doesn't become propoganda. You dismiss the truth then you don't want to care about the truth then it's end of discussion

For example we could debate the idea that everyone believes that Tommy Robinson is a hero or that my opinion is a minority. Would a poll of people from the UK asking then what they think about the riots be a good way to judge this? Luckily that exists, from yougov -

14% strongly support the riots 

75% strongly oppose the unrest at the riots 

1 in 8 Britons say riots we're justified 

74% blame far right groups for the riots 

19% have a positive opinion of tommy robinson 

40% dislike him 

12% neutral 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/explore/public_figure/Tommy_Robinson

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50257-the-public-reaction-to-the-2024-riots

Do these make you rethink any of your assertions? 

What specifically do you disagree with in the 'propoganda' that I posted as you say its not true?

[Jacob Morres]

5 hours ago, Epikur said:

Then half of Europe is islamophobic. Jail them.

Yep, anti-muslim sentiment, policy, hate crimes, prejudice etc. is common all across Europe

You know how crazy it is if that's true? Like you said that *half* the continent holds a bigoted ideology toward a minority 

Sounds like deep systemic discrimination to me 

One interesting thing ik is that France actually banned muslim women from wearing burqas. That was crazy to me. Like imagine you banned Jewish people from wearing a Yamaka. That sounds oppressive af

Edited August 23 by Jacob Morres

[Epikur]

10 hours ago, Jacob Morres said:

Yep, anti-muslim sentiment, policy, hate crimes, prejudice etc. is common all across Europe

You know how crazy it is if that's true? Like you said that *half* the continent holds a bigoted ideology toward a minority 

Sounds like deep systemic discrimination to me 

One interesting thing ik is that France actually banned muslim women from wearing burqas. That was crazy to me. Like imagine you banned Jewish people from wearing a Yamaka. That sounds oppressive af

I would say more than half.

I believe you have no idea what Islam is. As Sam Harris puts it: Religions are a collection of bad ideas. One particular one is the mother of bad ideas.

The burqa among Muslims is certainly a feminist symbol

 

Edited August 23 by Epikur