There is no such thing as nothing!

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3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Yep there's only something and even that's questionable 🤣

The separation is an illusion 💔 

"There's only what seems to be happening"

Existence exists because non existence doesn’t exist🥳

 

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Existence exists because non existence doesn’t exist🥳

 

Bbbut hate to interrupt the circlejerk celebration, but consciousness doesn't exist and it is what can be confirmed as real.

Show it to me. You can show me anything, but it. Sounds a lot like the non-existence you try to put down 😆 

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4 hours ago, yetineti said:

I remember this video confusing the hell out of me a few years ago, when I watched it.

I remember his question in it: If you only had nothing, what could stop it from turning into something?

🤯

Leo could have said so much simpler things in the video but I thought he made it more difficult than it needed to be, according to Leo nothing is something which is wrong. Nothing is not an actual thing, it does not fucking exist 

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Just now, MarioGabrielJ said:

Leo could have said so much simpler things in the video but I thought he made it more difficult than it needed to be, according to Leo nothing is something which is wrong. Nothing is not an actual thing, it does not fucking exist 

Bruh, you need to open up to paradox when it comes to the True Self.

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3 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Bbbut hate to interrupt the circlejerk celebration, but consciousness doesn't exist and it is what can be confirmed as real.

Show it to me. You can show me anything, but it. Sounds a lot like the non-existence you try to put down 😆 

How can something be real that does not exist, please please my friend think really deeply about what you just said🙃

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Just now, Dodo said:

Bruh, you need to open up to paradox when it comes to the True Self.

Everything is in existence how beautiful is that?

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

How can something be real that does not exist, please please my friend think really deeply about what you just said🙃

 

2 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Everything is in existence how beautiful is that?

Do you know what a paradox is? 

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1 minute ago, Dodo said:

 

Do you know what a paradox is? 

Something and nothing will never be paradoxical, nothing is a concept not an actual thing.

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7 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Something and nothing will never be paradoxical, nothing is a concept not an actual thing.

At least thats what your mind says? 

Consciousness is very paradooxical. Thats why it challenges modern science, as they think it is an emergent property and cant figure it out. 

Others deny the existence of consciousness altogether, but without any self inquiry work, they don't know its real, so they are Half True.

You say its real and exists, you are the other half truth. Now lets merge into the pparadox!

You cant expect 0 and infinity to behave the same as other numbers! All your logic applies to numbers, to things that exist, and fails when it comes to 0 and infinity. 

Again, to exist means to Stand Out. 

 

 

Edited August 21 by Dodo

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2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

At least thats what your mind says? 

Consciousness is very paradooxical. Thats why it challenges modern science, as they think it is an emergent property and cant figure it out. 

Others deny the existence of consciousness altogether, but without any self inquiry work, they don't know its real, so they are Half True.

 

You are right that consciousness can become a paradox, but they can only become paradox for things that exist. You can then understand  this next statement: It is impossible for there to be nothing, which means, there is no such thing as nothing and nothingness. In terms of existence, there is no such thing as an actual nothing. It is impossible for a non existence to exist. It’s really an amazing brilliant, beautiful absolute nature;

The only way I can prove a non existence is if there is actually an existence. I need there to be an existence in order to suggest or consider or believe that there is no existence. The moment I prove there is no existence is the moment I actually prove that there is.

Only things that exist can prove that there is no existence 

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47 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Consciousness is very paradoxical. That's why it challenges modern science
They think it is an emergent property and can't figure it out. 

Much of modern science likes to call everything immaterial an emergent property, it's simpler to maintain old paradigms.

47 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Others deny the existence of consciousness altogether,
but without any self-inquiry work,
They don't know if it's real, so they are half true.

You are the consciousness, it's the experience or "imaginary" transcendent meta-"container" whose insides change.

47 minutes ago, Dodo said:

You say its real and exists, you are the other half truth. Now lets merge into the pparadox!

A strange loop or duality axis, specifically, two sticks leaned against each other so as not to fall over.

47 minutes ago, Dodo said:

You can't expect 0 and infinity to behave the same as other numbers!

All your logic applies to numbers, things that exist, and fails regarding 0 and infinity.

Duality breaks the symmetry, that's true. Yet infinity and zero are places to explore.

47 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Again, to exist means to Stand Out. 

I guess space doesn't exist either then.

But then it's our definition of existence that we need to adjust.

Else, it's just whether it's actualized and perceivable or not

Edited August 21 by Keryo Koffa

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25 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

You are right that consciousness can become a paradox, but they can only become paradox for things that exist. You can then understand  this next statement: It is impossible for there to be nothing, which means, there is no such thing as nothing and nothingness. In terms of existence, there is no such thing as an actual nothing. It is impossible for a non existence to exist. It’s really an amazing brilliant, beautiful absolute nature;

The only way I can prove a non existence is if there is actually an existence. I need there to be an existence in order to suggest or consider or believe that there is no existence. The moment I prove there is no existence is the moment I actually prove that there is.

Only things that exist can prove that there is no existence 

Ok, thats sure, you need to exist to prove it, sure. But what are you proving? Non existence not existing is the same as Non existence existing. There is no difference between these statements. 

For nothing to exist,, it needs to not exist. Thats what it means for it to exist. Without any brushstroke needed, non existence exists. Humongous paradoxical Bang.

This is the point where you can decide, are you looking at something or at nothing. Both are true statements. When you look at the number 42, you are looking at 42, but also looking simultaneously at 0, which most people don't consider. 

Reference: 42=42+0

Object of experience that exists = object of experience that exists + consciousness/aware knowing emptiness without qualities.

Without the aware knowing emptiness container, that thing, that object of experience cannot be perceived. Hence it does not exist. Consciousness is what allows it to exist.

If you say the consciousness itself exists, then you basically dont see it as the container, but as yet another object of experience..

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15 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Much of modern science likes to call everything immaterial an emergent property, it's simpler to maintain old paradigms.

You are the consciousness, it's the experience or "imaginary" transcendent meta-"container" whose insides change.

A strange loop or duality axis, specifically, two sticks leaned against each other so as not to fall over.

Duality breaks the symmetry, that's true. Yet infinity and zero are places to explore.

I guess space doesn't exist either then.

But then it's our definition of existence that we need to adjust.

Else, it's just whether it's actualized and perceivable or not

Space is subtle, it does stand out. You can clearly notice space, or lack of space. 

Lets not mistake subtle form for no form. 

Im not here claiming all the answers of creation and how spacetime itself is weaved. 

Space-time is a type of canvas in and of itself, i have posted about it in a past thread. But it is not the ultimate canvas, its the canvas within the Ultimate Absolute Canvas of Consciousness. Spacetime is part of the creation.

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@Keryo Koffa @Dodo There are at least 2 main conditions we recognise and try to represent with our use of the term “Space”

1) A thing in and of itself, independent and/or separate from other things to some notable degree, but may still affect and be affected by other things. For ex. A and B are located in the space of C, C is the space, independent to some notable degree from A and B.

2) A range, that is particular or entire amount of position and/or location of a thing or things, so that there are no locations that are notably independent of the thing or things. 
Space is a range of locations, not only between A and B, but also because of A and B, so that any location in that space is actually a location within or of A and/or B. In this case, space is not a thing that is introduced to A and B; It is not an independent thing but rather, it is A and B or some part, or some result.

I cannot escape the consideration of both conditions. Ultimately if I have to choose one, I say condition 2) will eventually yield the most the most accurate formula for representing a range of position and location we traditionally describe/ represent as “space”

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@Keryo Koffa @MarioGabrielJ

Agree/disagree : consciousness is outside of space and time. Btw when we talk about space we are talking about time, the two are interconnected, as discovered.

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Ok, thats sure, you need to exist to prove it, sure. But what are you proving? Non existence not existing is the same as Non existence existing. There is no difference between these statements. 

For nothing to exist,, it needs to not exist. Thats what it means for it to exist. Without any brushstroke needed, non existence exists. Humongous paradoxical Bang.

This is the point where you can decide, are you looking at something or at nothing. Both are true statements. When you look at the number 42, you are looking at 42, but also looking simultaneously at 0, which most people don't consider. 

Reference: 42=42+0

Object of experience that exists = object of experience that exists + consciousness/aware knowing emptiness without qualities.

Without the aware knowing emptiness container, that thing, that object of experience cannot be perceived. Hence it does not exist. Consciousness is what allows it to exist.

If you say the consciousness itself exists, then you basically dont see it as the container, but as yet another object of experience..

There can never “never truly” actually ever” be “only” nothing of any kind so as to define that there is no kind what so ever… because in order to even have this suggestion I just stated there must at least be the possibility for this suggestion etc. You can never look at nothing, sure it looks like nothing but nothing is not something in existence it is not a location.

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1 minute ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

There can never “never truly” actually ever” be “only” nothing of any kind so as to define that there is no kind what so ever… because in order to even have this suggestion I just stated there must at least be the possibility for this suggestion etc. You can never look at nothing, sure it looks like nothing but nothing is not something in existence it is not a location.

Thatd exactly what we are looking for, as God is outside of space and time.

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1 minute ago, Dodo said:

Thatd exactly what we are looking for, as God is outside of space and time.

Hallelujah

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5 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Hallelujah

@MarioGabrielJ hallelujah, but God Is, right? You dismiss it by implying only that which exists is real..  you were basicLly painting a picture that that which exists is God. The manifested basically. Thats exactly the position egoic entities take in this world and try to take over God's creation, like a virus from within.

[Keryo Koffa]

51 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Space is subtle but does stand out. Space-time is a canvas and Consciousness is its ultimate meta-canvas

37 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

1) Space is Independent of Objects and contains their Locations inside itself

2) Space is the holographic interdependent medium inside Object ranges that forms their relationships

18 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Agree/disagree: consciousness is outside of space and time. Space-Time is One

18 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Nothing by itself cannot exist for it couldn't be "nothing" without anything to contrast with

16 minutes ago, Dodo said:

We are looking for the God outside of space and time

Consciousness is what's aware, what is having this experience. Consciousness is outside and inside

Consciousness is experiencer and experience, Godhead and creature, experience and interpretation

We really have to make room for more words to encapsulate the reasons for all our contradictions

Edited August 21 by Keryo Koffa