There is no such thing as nothing!

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The misconception and mistreatment of the idea “nothing”

Here is nothing👉( WRONG)

The term here implies a place, a location, some kind of coordinate etc.

The term “be”, “to be”, implies an act or condition for something.

NOTHING IS NOT SOMETHING.

Nothing will not be here later because nothing is not a thing that can do things, like “to be” somewhere. One classic theory about existence is that there is some kind of origin, some kind of beginning. And before there was an existence there was a nothingness, a state or condition of no existence. Then you are going to hear that out of this non existence, springing forth from the nothingness, an existence emerged.

Let us accurately clarify this theory.

To have a beginning there must be some point that distinguishes or acts like a border or dividing line between that which has begun and whatever there is before it has begun.

Something can’t come from nothing. Nothing or nothingness is not an actual thing to call “nothing” something cannot share a border with nothing. Nothing is not an actual thing that is distinguishable, we can not say that something begins from nothing or begins after  or separate from nothing.

 Nothing and nothingness are not states or conditions or anything. The literal definition of nothing is that it does not exist, it is not a thing, it is not something that was or is or will be etc. Nothing is not something that things can emerge from.

 

 

[Atb210201]

The title is correct there is no such thing as nothing because nothing is not a thing and it can never be a thing

The realm of God is beyond thing and no thing

Beyond something and nothing

This is a duality

God lives in non duality

No thing is a closer concept (if it is even a concept) to God if we want to think about God or understand God because to be a thing is to be limited in being that thing and nothing else but to be nothing is not limited in that sense so the mind cannot simply grasp nothing like it can grasp things that's why I say nothing is closer to God than something

But in the end God's realm is beyond description

One cannot simply describe it or define it

Edited August 19 by Atb210201

[Someone here]

36 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

Something can’t come from nothing

If something can't come from nothing ..then something has to always come from something else and this leads to infinite regress and you can read theologians critiques of that .

There is no beginning to existence..and if there is no beginning then there is no ending . And something that has no beginning and no ending is equivalent to nothing. 

[Javfly33]

Thats why they say Shiva is the "no-thing"

Because the moment the Mind thinks "nothing" It already becomes "something". 

So they put a hyphen between no and thing

[ICURBlessings]

1 hour ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

...One classic theory about existence is that there is some kind of origin, some kind of beginning. And before there was an existence there was a nothingness, a state or condition of no existence. Then you are going to hear that out of this non existence, springing forth from the nothingness, an existence emerged. ...

Hi MarioGabrielJ,

I like how you keep on exercising reason to probe Truth and Reality.

Here is the problem with the premise as it is formed - which explains why the logic leads NOWHERE!

" ...One classic theory about existence is that there is some kind of origin..."

The problem is how we tend to understand and define the word ORIGIN.

When we use the term 'origin' in mundane (secularly) terms is one thing, and that is were and when the meaning of the word 'origin is programmed in our memory. We human experience 'Origin' relative to SPACETIME. So 'origin' is either associated in space (i.e. Country of origin) or in Time. When we inquire about the metaphysical origin of the Universe, or the Soul, or other fundamental form of ORIGIN - We naturally think in terms of Time, as in going back in Time until we reach the "Beginning", the alpha-moment, the first instant in Time.

The problem with this line of inquiry is that we are looking at the 'point-of-origin' from within Time. That is why we come to the inevitable question "...well if THAT is the Origin; WHAT was before that?" Observe how this question is dependent on a Time-perspective. In other words, only from within Time, one can see the landscape, where this question (WHAT was before that?) has a place and therefore makes sense.

But if you DO find the True-Meaning of an ultimate ORIGIN - that very same question stops making sense - BECAUSE the ORIGIN is something That does NOT exist within Time BUT beyond Time.

The ORIGIN is without Beginning or End - it never started and will never end. That is fundamental to WHAT the ORIGIN MUST BE. Nothing WITHIN Spacetime can be the SOURCE and ORIGIN of Spacetime itself, or of any fundamental existence, or of the True-Self that YOU are.

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1 hour ago, Someone here said:

If something can't come from nothing ..then something has to always come from something else and this leads to infinite regress and you can read theologians critiques of that .

There is no beginning to existence..and if there is no beginning then there is no ending . And something that has no beginning and no ending is equivalent to nothing. 

Condition 2: There is an existence 

Condition 1: There is no existence 

In and of itself, condition 1 is unprovable because anything that can prove it also proves an existence, which of course then contradicts the condition that there is no existence. Lets suppose that a condition 2 existence can happen from a condition 1 non existence. Based on the absolute relationship for existence: In order for something to exist there has to be a possibility for something to exist. We can understand that in order for condition 2 to happen from condition 1, there has to be the possibility for condition 2 to happen. This means that a condition 1 non existence actually contains the existence of the possibility for a condition 2 existence. This also means there is not an actual or true condition of non existence 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, ICURBlessings said:

Hi MarioGabrielJ,

I like how you keep on exercising reason to probe Truth and Reality.

Here is the problem with the premise as it is formed - which explains why the logic leads NOWHERE!

" ...One classic theory about existence is that there is some kind of origin..."

The problem is how we tend to understand and define the word ORIGIN.

When we use the term 'origin' in mundane (secularly) terms is one thing, and that is were and when the meaning of the word 'origin is programmed in our memory. We human experience 'Origin' relative to SPACETIME. So 'origin' is either associated in space (i.e. Country of origin) or in Time. When we inquire about the metaphysical origin of the Universe, or the Soul, or other fundamental form of ORIGIN - We naturally think in terms of Time, as in going back in Time until we reach the "Beginning", the alpha-moment, the first instant in Time.

The problem with this line of inquiry is that we are looking at the 'point-of-origin' from within Time. That is why we come to the inevitable question "...well if THAT is the Origin; WHAT was before that?" Observe how this question is dependent on a Time-perspective. In other words, only from within Time, one can see the landscape, where this question (WHAT was before that?) has a place and therefore makes sense.

But if you DO find the True-Meaning of an ultimate ORIGIN - that very same question stops making sense - BECAUSE the ORIGIN is something That does NOT exist within Time BUT beyond Time.

The ORIGIN is without Beginning or End - it never started and will never end. That is fundamental to WHAT the ORIGIN MUST BE. Nothing WITHIN Spacetime can be the SOURCE and ORIGIN of Spacetime itself, or of any fundamental existence, or of the True-Self that YOU are.

Thank you for your reply I appreciate it💓

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[Dodo]

Nothing is here. Can't you not see it? If you can't see nothing, that's the same as seeing it! 

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28 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Nothing is here. Can't you not see it? If you can't see nothing, that's the same as seeing it! 

You can only see things that exist (; 

[Dodo]

Just now, MarioGabrielJ said:

You can only see things that exist (; 

So you admit you don't see the nothing? Isn't that what nothing is supposed to be like. I would be concerned if you could see it! 

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1 minute ago, Dodo said:

So you admit you don't see the nothing? Isn't that what nothing is supposed to be like. I would be concerned if you could see it! 

There are no things outside or beyond the box: there is no actual place, location, state or condition outside or beyond the box. In order for outside and beyond to be anything at all, they have to be things trust exist. In fact this is not actually a box.  Because existence does not have a border or boundary; it does not share a border with something that does not exist. 
 

 

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@Dodo In our physical reality, when you point your finger you automatically point it at something, regardless of whether you can see or determine what that something is.

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

@Dodo In our physical reality, when you point your finger you automatically point it at something, regardless of whether you can see or determine what that something is.

hate to break it to u, you are pointing at nothing

kingdom of heaven does not come with signs to be perceived 

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4 minutes ago, Dodo said:

hate to break it to u, you are pointing at nothing

kingdom of heaven does not come with signs to be perceived 

You cannot say “Here it is, Here is nothing, I found it” you cannot “find” nothing in the sense of a thing that has been obtained. 

[Dodo]

14 minutes ago, MarioGabrielJ said:

You cannot say “Here it is, Here is nothing, I found it” you cannot “find” nothing in the sense of a thing that has been obtained. 

The kingdom of God does not come with signs to be observed. Nor will they say "look, here it is" or "there it is" for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 

#consciousness 

Existence comes from latin Existere - to stand out 

Consciousness doesn't stand out, but is Absolutely True. Now there's something you can say doesn't exist and at the same time you can say is the only thing that exists. Crazy! huh!

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2 minutes ago, Dodo said:

The kingdom of God does not come with signs to be observed. Nor will they say "look, here it is" or "there it is" for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 

#consciousness 

Existence comes from latin Existere - to stand out 

Consciousness doesn't stand out, but is Absolutely True. Now there's something you can say doesn't exist and at the same time you can say is the only thing that exists. Crazy! huh!

It either does exist or not and it does exist😁

[Princess Arabia]

Show or tell me a word that doesn't exist. You have brought life to nothing in your heading.

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Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Show or tell me a word that doesn't exist. You have brought life to nothing in your heading.

Existence is all there is 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, MarioGabrielJ said:

Existence is all there is 

You said there's no such thing as nothing. What am I reading. The word nothing. So it exists.