Ongoing issue with rape being prevalent in India

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

No not at all. Bdsm is enjoyable. It's not abusive at all. That's a wrong idea if you never did bdsm. 

Do you know a significant amount of women orgasm during real rape. This is more complex then you are grokking imo

[mr_engineer]

You can have a certain fetish. Whether you engage in it consensually or non-consensually, is your choice (there are consequences either way). Rape has nothing to do with your fetishes. It has to do with mental attitudes towards sex and towards women. 

It's due to the conquest-mindset and objectification of women. This idea of 'consent' is a foreign idea to these individuals. They're literally just uneducated about the fact that non-consensual sex is called 'rape' and it's illegal. 

That being said, the media does have a way of sensationalizing the most gory cases. That is the media's job, after all - sensationalizing and glamourizing negativity. 'There were stab-marks on her private parts' Today people are angry about this, tomorrow people will find something else to be angry about. It evokes emotional reactions and people don't think rationally about the issue. 

[bambi]

Just now, mr_engineer said:

You can have a certain fetish. Whether you engage in it consensually or non-consensually, is your choice (there are consequences either way). Rape has nothing to do with your fetishes. It has to do with mental attitudes towards sex and towards women. 

It's due to the conquest-mindset and objectification of women. This idea of 'consent' is a foreign idea to these individuals. They're literally just uneducated about the fact that non-consensual sex is called 'rape' and it's illegal. 

That being said, the media does have a way of sensationalizing the most gory cases. That is the media's job, after all - sensationalizing and glamourizing negativity. 'There were stab-marks on her private parts' Today people are angry about this, tomorrow people will find something else to be angry about. It evokes emotional reactions and people don't think rationally about the issue. 

Besides consent what are the differences?

[Davino]

Just now, Nemra said:

I think we are confusing people who have a rapist mindset with people who rape because of some lack.

Exactly, so raping because of some lack could be more easily treated with well thought policies.

However, rapist mindsets, psychopathic and sociopathic tendencies are harder to bend/domesticate given disfunctional human psyches.

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, bambi said:

Do you know a significant amount of women orgasm during real rape. This is more complex then you are grokking imo

Yes I'm a woman and I'm well aware. Those women orgasm just like I orgasmed when a guy attempted to rape me. So what. I enjoy bdsm sex. There is a mega difference between consent and non consent. Just because a woman orgasmed doesn't mean she gave consent. But she can enjoy sex from a man however she wants to and nobody has the right to judge what or how she wants it during sex,bdsm or no bdsm. 

[mr_engineer]

This is a fundamentally sexist society, women are seen as inferior to men. And the 'superior party', of course, will assert their dominance on the 'inferior party'! (Not condoning it, just explaining the psychology based on what I've heard.) Not because that individual has a fetish, because he's a 'man' and a 'man' is superior to a 'woman'. 

Religion has done a lot, actually, to combat this, by making motherhood the highest-status position to be in, because 'the mother is the giver of life'. There are pros and cons to this solution. This makes it so women have to be 'good mothers' and 'good homemakers' to get any sense of social esteem. 

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

Yes I'm a woman and I'm well aware. Those women orgasm just like I orgasmed when a guy attempted to rape me. So what. I enjoy bdsm sex. There is a mega difference between consent and non consent. Just because a woman orgasmed doesn't mean she gave consent. But she can enjoy sex from a man however she wants to and nobody has the right to judge what or how she wants it during sex,bdsm or no bdsm. 

Sorry we are talking past each other, nothing in your post relates to any of my posts. The previous poster tried to seperate BDSM and rape solely on the metric of pleasure, but as per my post this cant be done, as many women orgasm during rape. 

As you highlight the only real difference is consent here

[Princess Arabia]

14 minutes ago, Davino said:

Yeah, that fetish mentality is definitely a rape generator machine

You'd be surprised how many "normal" guys have this mentality. Not saying they'll actually go out and rape, but they don't enjoy it when the woman is enjoying it. They'll take it either way, but they're not turned off if she's hurting or seems disinterested or seems to not be enjoying it, matter of fact some get turned off if she's actually genuinely enjoying it. Guys of a good caliber don't realize how much of a precious gem they are, including yourself as I can sense from you. 

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, bambi said:

Sorry we are talking past each other, nothing in your post relates to any of my posts. The previous poster tried to seperate BDSM and rape solely on the metric of pleasure, but as per my post this cant be done, as many women orgasm during rape. 

As you highlight the only real difference is consent here

BDSM is a form of sex with a fetish involved whereas rape is a crime of non consent whether an orgasm occurred or not is irrelevant. I think this should be clear. 

[Davino]

Rape is horrible sex. There is no connection, high consciousness or real love.

It's just profoundly printed primal forces that drive the human to perform in such a way. There is some unconscious, biological and evolutionary ties that make it appealing despite the horror of it all.

I can't imagine how it would feel to be raped. Surely it's horrible

[mr_engineer]

4 minutes ago, bambi said:

Besides consent what are the differences?

Fundamentally, boundaries aren't taken very seriously in this country. So, if a man is physically bigger and stronger, he's going to control the interaction with a woman. This gives men a certain 'power', logistically. And, some of them will abuse it. 

This culture has yet to evolve into individualism. People don't assert their individuality so easily because it is normal to judge those who do and who don't conform to certain norms. Some of them are sexist norms. 

[bambi]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

BDSM is a form of sex with a fetish involved whereas rape is a crime of non consent whether an orgasm occurred or not is irrelevant. I think this should be clear. 

Your missing my point. Dont worry about buck

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You'd be surprised how many "normal" guys have this mentality. Not saying they'll actually go out and rape, but they don't enjoy it when the woman is enjoying it. They'll take it either way, but they're not turned off if she's hurting or seems disinterested or seems to not be enjoying it, matter of fact some get turned off if she's actually genuinely enjoying it.

So you have noticed that many men have sadistic tendencies realted to sex?

That could be a genuine observation.

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Guys of a good caliber don't realize how much of a precious gem they are, including yourself as I can sense from you. 

Ohhh

You more sweetheart!

[mr_engineer]

The psychology I'm talking about is SD Stage Red psyche. Which is all about power and domination, by hook or by crook. 

People need to become more religious and more God-fearing, honestly, they need to evolve up to Blue! If they learn that 'rapists go to hell', and if they learn to value women in general because they're potential mothers, and 'the mother is the giver of life', the culture will improve. Then, we'll think about evolving into an individualistic culture. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

So you have noticed that many men have sadistic tendencies realted to sex?

That could be a genuine observation.

Yes, without getting into the details, they usually have certain traits. Single, sex addicts, loves porn etc etc, but not subjected to.

[Buck Edwards]

1 minute ago, mr_engineer said:

The psychology I'm talking about is SD Stage Red psyche. Which is all about power and domination, by hobout power ook. 

People need to become more religious and more God-fearing, honestou, they need to evolve up to Blue! If they learn that 'rapists go to hell', and if they learn too to hellen in general because they're potential mothers, and 'the mother is the giver of life', the culture will improve. Then, we'll think about evolving into an individualistic culture. 

So the only reason a woman should have value is because she is a potential mother? So what happens if she cannot become a mother? Does she stop having your perceived  value lol? 

[Nemra]

@Davino

I would even say that if people liked and enjoyed that dynamic, then I don't see a problem.

A person would be of low consciousness if they raped someone without understanding them and the consequences that it could have.

[Davino]

Excuse me @Nemra, I didn't get what you were trying to communicate. Could you rephrase it?

[mr_engineer]

Just now, Buck Edwards said:

So the only reason a woman should have value is because she is a potential mother? So what happens if she cannot become a mother? Does she stop having your perceived  value lol? 

I'm talking about how religion can solve the problem and evolve the society up to Stage Blue. 

I'm not saying that's the only reason. But, this is how you can start to educate men into valuing women. These men have a certain degree of male arrogance, like 'women can't drive properly, women can't do this, women can't do that'. They're incredibly sexist! They truly see women as inferior creatures. 

[Kid A]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

I thought the same at first, but then you see many very religious Muslim countries that do not have many rapes going on there.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Iran even Pakistan.

Ironically Pakistanis do way more rapes when they are outside Pakistan in more liberal countries where they do not need to marry to have sex since there are a lot of liberal people there.

So, it feels like either Islam tends to prevent rape between fellow Muslims.

 

 

Hijab is very effective in preventing rape.