Ongoing issue with rape being prevalent in India

[Moutushi]

 

 

 

Edited August 17 by Moutushi

[Moutushi]

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/13/india/kolkata-doctor-strike-trainee-rape-murder-intl-hnk/index.html

@Leo Gura I've read your comments before on rape from a meta-perspective, and I appreciate the nuances that come with examining this complex phenomenon, including the cultural and religious factors amongst others that exist in India. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this tragic incident that occurred 

[Moutushi]

 

[Moutushi]

@Bandman It really is in many ways, and that is why I felt this complex issue needed a supercomputer mind like @Leo Gura to offer us possible solutions 

[Bobby_2021]

The left leaning commie government in west bengal has to be dissolved permanently. Even the courts have said that. 

Modi will not take action because he acts like a pathetic loser who has no power.

[Moutushi]

@Bobby_2021 I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind that, and what alternative form of goverment would be better equipped to deal with this complex phenomenon ?

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Moutushi said:

@Bobby_2021 I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind that, and what alternative form of goverment would be better equipped to deal with this complex phenomenon ?

Man it's not that complex.

Modi should to take a stand. Rule of law has to be ruthlessly enforced in the country. WB is a state of goons. Even officers from law enforcement agencies have been mercilessly attacked and held hostage. 

This have been happening for ages. If you take preventative action then some human rights blah blah nonsense.

"Ohhh no modi is a dictator targeting opposition."

Modi resigned to it. Now it has come to this. 

Indian people respond well to fear, especially from these backward areas. They have to be beaten to submission, publically. It's not about being a dictator. But there should be zero compromise to rule of law. 

The left in India thinks that they are above the law because they got funding from soros.

I have heard stuff that are 10x worse than the current incident. Refraining from describing it here. It has toned down a bit, but nowhere near for a functional society.

Basically there is no rule of law. This is the basics. 

People have to fear the law to obey it. There is no need for an alternative form of government. Govt should do what it's supposed to do.

Edited August 18 by Bobby_2021

[Moutushi]

@Bobby_2021 Thanks for sharing that, great points that I agree with. What do you think about the points these women are sharing in the link below about how the death penalty is not as strong of a deterrent as people think it may be ?

 

 

[Raze]

17 hours ago, Bandman said:

I dont even think there is a solution. India is just hell on earth. This world man...

Lol what? There are literally over a billion people in India, it isn’t hell on earth because a bad thing happens, by that logic every country is.

[Moutushi]

@Raze Agreed!

[Bobby_2021]

6 hours ago, Moutushi said:

@Bobby_2021 Thanks for sharing that, great points that I agree with. What do you think about the points these women are sharing in the link below about how the death penalty is not as strong of a deterrent as people think it may be ?

 

 

Death penalty folks are the ones who get emotionally charged once rape already happens. Of course it will do nothing. Death penalty is a farce.

I am for preventative measures, first step is ruthlessly enforcing rule of law.

These goons have entire parallel economies running with their own law, courts, enforcement etc. Even if you introduce death penalty, you wouldn't be able to implement it, with how things are going right now.

Sometimes the opposition has to cracked down on. 

6 hours ago, Raze said:

Lol what? There are literally over a billion people in India, it isn’t hell on earth because a bad thing happens, by that logic every country is.

People have a tendency to exaggerate things they aren't totally familiar with. 

With that said, in some places, the situation is really bad if you have some standards.

[Ajay0]

This has a lot to do with the naivete and inexperience of the early western educated Indian administrators and policy makers, in the middle of the twentieth century , who ensured easy access to western pornography in the form of magazines, movies and novels, as well as alcohol in India, so as to project it as a modern nation, as well as for revenue generation and tourism promotion. Imho, they should have been banned taking the example of some neighboring countries.

As a child going to school in the school bus, it was normal for me to see half-naked posters of western pornographic movie actors in the streets and pre-pubescent me wondering about the same with friends and theorizing about it.

These movies shown in Indian theaters were highly popular and generated good revenue, so the government put a blind eye to it. Their success also spawned an Indian pornographic industry as well which is not that successful though.

In high school I remember reading my first pornographic novel of western origin with a heavy dose of sadism involved.

Western marketing tactics of using sex to attract customers was used by Indian marketers and this was highly alien to the native culture where one is supposed to be well-dressed in order to look dignified and authoritative.

Censor regulations in Indian movies was weak in the beginning and Indian movie-makers aping western movies  and psychological tactics used a heavy dose of sex to attract customers. These were bound to have long-term repercussions though.

The increasing crime rates in India however provided a much needed reality check, and consequently there has been heavy restrictions now on access to pornographic material as well as a much better regulated marketing system. It is now impossible or extremely rare to see posters of pornographic movies  or gain access to such material , as well as marketing images of scantily clad women in tantalizing postures. There is also heavy censoring of Indian movies and advertisements as well.

Western channels showcasing explicit serials and movies and ads have been blocked permanently. And only highly censored movies are now being shown.

The recent issues will further reinforce such existing restrictions and bring in new ones, such as bans on alcohol, drugs, internet regulations,  and wiping out the nexus between the mafia and corrupt government officials that are involved in the lucrative but illegal drug trade. 

I have nothing against western culture and whole-heartedly believe there are appreciable elements in it, but am not sure whether Indian culture is ready for the culture shock in this regard with the notions of western sexuality.

Celibacy and self-restraint is heavily emphasized in yoga and Indian martial arts on the grounds that they increase the prana or vital force as well as spiritual, intellectual and physical strength, and as a potent aid to meditation. The same is true with respect to Indian classical music, dance and arts. So the native cultural aspects, if invigorated, can contribute a lot to better socio-economic progress and development, and the erasure of these issues.

Indian states where alcohol has been prohibited has shown a substantial decrease in crime rates and socio-economic disorders. I would say that alcohol prohibition in states that show high statistics of crime rates and socio-economic disorders should be a requisite now. Similarly the low police to population ratio has increased from 131 to 152 at present, though it is still less than 222 recommended by the UN.

Hopefully, the growing economy would ensure that the recommended numbers are met within a few years.
 

Edited August 19 by Ajay0

[Bobby_2021]

@Ajay0 Porn has nothing to do with the incident. If any porn has given them a much needed outlet for their sexual dissatisfaction. 

And Banning alcohol doesn't mean that people don't access it. They have alternative means of accessing it in places where it is banned. 

It's a case of criminals systematically hijacking the government machinery. I blame the centre & Modi for not cracking down on them. Even the courts have asked them to do it. They have done it before. Aggressive crackdown is the only solution. It's a simple one. It's so remarkably effective.

And also ban criminal parties while you are at it. The solution cam only come from the center. It pisses me off that they don't do it already. Wipe them off.

[Ajay0]

15 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@Ajay0 Porn has nothing to do with the incident. If any porn has given them a much needed outlet for their sexual dissatisfaction. 

How is that !

The culprit involved has a case history of addiction to pornography, has violent pornographic videos in his phone, and was seen consuming alcohol the previous day. 

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And Banning alcohol doesn't mean that people don't access it. They have alternative means of accessing it in places where it is banned. 

Bans however can bring wide-spread non-usage of alcohol among the general population. Yes, alcohol can be smuggled illegally but it will not be widespread and relegated to a few, and also will not be consumed in open. Those appearing inebriated in public can be arrested with alcohol tests by the police, thus preventing any potential criminal offence in the process.

Alcohol consumption is also related to numerous mental and physical disorders taking a major toll on the health system, as well as socio-economic issues, and all this can be substantially reduced with its ban.

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It's a case of criminals systematically hijacking the government machinery. I blame the centre & Modi for not cracking down on them.

Modi's Gujarat has already an alcohol ban enforced as a law. Bihar has shown much better crime and socio-economic statistics after alcohol bans came up over there.

If it's a case of criminals systematically hijacking the state government machinery, it is the state government that is to blame and not the federal government. 

You can request for president's rule in such a scenario after dismantling the state government if it warrants that.

Edited August 19 by Ajay0

[Bobby_2021]

59 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

You can request for president's rule in such a scenario after dismantling the state government if it warrants that.

Let's not pretend that Modi has the balls to do that. 

The federal government is responsible when the state is not doing it's job well. Yes. The state is to blame. Now what? What is Modi going to do about it?

Center is responsible to take charge when the state machinery has collapsed, which is an observation made by the high court judge.

They couldn't even request anything. 

Who's permission is Modi waiting for now. He has the courts approval.

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

The culprit involved has a case history of addiction to pornography, has violent pornographic videos in his phone, and was seen consuming alcohol the previous day. 

A lot of people do that, but that doesn't translate to violence in real life. You can argue it, but seeing violence will not result in doing violence.

Maybe this person would have been a bigger criminal if he did not had access to porn. Maybe he could have got addicted to hardcore drugs instead of alcohol. Who knows. These all are correlations. Not causation. 

He is probably a sociopathic criminal. I don't know of the specifics. I don't need to and I don't care because I know these things are bound to happen by the way the society is structured.

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Yes, alcohol can be smuggled illegally but it will not be widespread and relegated to a few, and also will not be consumed in open.

There are lot more ways by which Alcohol becomes prevalent in society, even if it's banned. You don't necessarily have to smuggle it. Although a citizen who would normally access alcohol by buying it now has to smuggle it and would probably need the help of criminals to do that. You are giving more avenues for criminals to  operate and make money.

Which wouldn't be a problem if they were being cracked down on. But naah. That's the root problem here.

[Ajay0]

49 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Let's not pretend that Modi has the balls to do that. 

The federal government is responsible when the state is not doing it's job well. Yes. The state is to blame. Now what? What is Modi going to do about it?

Center is responsible to take charge when the state machinery has collapsed, which is an observation made by the high court judge.

They couldn't even request anything. 

Who's permission is Modi waiting for now. He has the courts approval.

Could you cite where Modi has the court's approval for president's rule in the said state! 

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A lot of people do that, but that doesn't translate to violence in real life. You can argue it, but seeing violence will not result in doing violence.

Research has shown correlation between porn and higher crime rates against women..

https://fightthenewdrug.org/studies-show-porn-often-normalizes-sexual-violence-women/

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While porn is by no means the sole cause of this form of violence toward women, and not even close to every porn consumer will become a perpetrator, porn certainly plays a role in fueling and perpetuating violence against women based on the evidence listed here. Porn dehumanizes women, and when someone is dehumanized, it is easier to commit violence against them.

https://www.focusforhealth.org/how-pornography-impacts-violence-against-women-and-child-sex-abuse/

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A meta-analysis published in Aggressive Behavior confirmed this link, and went on further to state that there was a significant correlation between sexually violent pornography and attitudes supporting violence against women. This correlation supports findings suggesting that increased pornography use has an influence on non-conscious responses to stimuli, meaning that we are both consciously and unconsciously being conditioned by pornography in a negative way.

 

[Leo Gura]

I don't have experience with India so I don't know why rape is so common there.

I would guess the problem is related to the culture's lack of acceptance for casual sex. From what I understand sex in India mostly requires getting married, which leaves many people sexually frustrated.

Edited August 19 by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

I guess the law enforcement is weak in India so the cases are not tracked or handled correctly. That would be a huge problem. 

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Research has shown correlation between porn and higher crime rates against women..

Yes my point exactly. It's a correlation.

People who abuse women also tend to abuse porn, because they are abusers in general. They will abuse whatever that comes their way.

If you take away porn, then will find something else to abuse. 

That's why having porn is better off since it's provides them with some outlet for their sociopathic tendencies without engaging in actual harm to society. Banning stuff is not the solution. Those who want it will resort to illegal ways to access it.

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Could you cite where Modi has the court's approval for president's rule in the said state! 

Court has observed the collapse of state machinery in the said state.

Now you tell me what's the next logical step. 

Do you need the court to call Modi on phone to take action?

12 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

I guess the law enforcement is weak in India so the cases are not tracked or handled correctly. That would be a huge problem. 

They can skirt around the laws, bend it and selectively enforce it, even in states that are relatively well off. 

But leaving the goons off the leash is a whole different issue.

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't have experience with India so I don't know why rape is so common there.

I would guess the problem is related to the culture's lack of acceptance for casual sex. From what I understand sex in India mostly requires getting married, which leaves many people sexually frustrated.

Sexual frustrations don't lead to rapes. The society has structures in place to deal with it and protect their women. It's not like a society will allow their women to get raped while they sit and watch.

Some states have a peculiar law enforcement problem, where criminals are embedded in the state machinery itself. These are usually the case where BJP is not in power.

Hunting them down means Modi will be targeted with campaigns like Dictator Modi cracking down on opposition, persecution of minorities etc. So they don't fear breaking the law. 

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Bobby_2021 said:

But leaving the goons off the leash is a whole different issue.

Yea I agree.