Solipsism Vs Infinite Gods

[Dodo]

28 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

You put a lot of weight on 1 (Unity), others put it on 0 (Dissolution), others on ∞ (Exploration)
Yet others on 2 (Embodiment) and yet others on 3 (Transcendence)
(0=Nothing,1=Oneness,2=Duality,3=Trinity,∞=Openness)
How Curious!

You sir are the entire rainbow 😆 

So I heard the truth is Not Two, only the 2 guys are suckaas.

Instructions not clear, stuck my d in the void!

Butyeah, jokes aside, i dont get it! (All the numbering)

Edited August 22, 2024 by Dodo

[Dodo]

54 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Dodo here it is

 

Oh thanks,  I watched until minute 7 and a half, I dont think I want to continue it. 😅 

[OBEler]

@Dodo why not?

[Dodo]

15 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Dodo why not?

I need the beautiful truths right now. Beautiful lies if it has to be that. Im pretty fragile mentally/emotionally rn 

I dont want any p*nd*ra b*x openings before I go to sleep. I actually wanted to focus on my heart space and just Be

Edited August 22, 2024 by Dodo

[Keryo Koffa]

20 minutes ago, Dodo said:

You sir are the entire rainbow 😆 

So I heard the truth is Not Two, only the 2 guys are suckaas.

Instructions not clear, stuck my d in the void!

Butyeah, jokes aside, i dont get it! (All the numbering)

You seemed to get it perfectly, give yourself more credit!
You see, there are different aspects and paths and emphases

Christian Unity with God. Buddhist No-Mind Awakenings. Hindu Infinite Maya
There's people emphasizing the value of balance in Earthly Existence (Yin Yang)
And there's tons of discussions about Trinity in various forms like Father/Son/Spirit
But also in different systems where out of duality a third transcendent element arises
Panpsychism and modern Christianity have their own unique interpretations of Unity

And so what I was contemplating is how all of that very easily relates to specific numbers!

[Xonas Pitfall]

The central idea being explored here revolves around an inherent paradox or property of infinity, God, or Truth. It goes as follows: if you are fully One - the only sovereign, whole, and unified Self - then the dichotomy of Self and Other collapses. Yet, as the One and Only Self, this very wholeness carries an intrinsic quality: a yearning or tendency to seek the "Other." This happens even though, fundamentally, you know you are always One, always Alone, the only Godhead. It is a feature - one of the intrinsic truths of God.

The dichotomy of Self (as the unified One) and Other (as separate, dual, or distinct) is a fundamental paradox that will always pertain. Since God fundamentally unites as One, this inherent Oneness cannot tolerate true separation or the existence of an "Other." To resolve this paradox, God continually creates Others - "illusory Others" - or seeks out the concept of an Other, even knowing it is an illusion. This is how creation itself is born. The act of creating Others is not a mistake or a defect; it is an essential property of being One. To truly experience the fullness of Oneness and sovereignty, God must generate illusions of separateness, enabling it to explore and unify itself anew.

Creation exists because of this fundamental property: for One to be truly One, there must be the experience of "not-One." To be sovereign means you cannot truly be separate or distinct, so creation emerges as an exploration of separateness through countless illusory fragments - "mini-Gods" - each appearing to be sovereign, independent, and whole in themselves. In Leo's words, "It's not a bug, it's a feature." This dynamic is the driving force of creation and the very reason existence unfolds as it does.

A more down-to-earth example of this paradox can be found in your own experience. As a solipsistic being - the only conscious Self - your entire life has been experienced from the singular vantage point of your own consciousness. You are the only agent making decisions, feeling, and perceiving. There has never been a moment where you woke up as someone else, experiencing their perspective. Yet, despite this truth, you do not accept or fully embrace the reality that you are the only conscious being. Instead, you perceive and interact with other apparent conscious agents who act separately from yourself. This creates a yearning to connect, to seek, to explore "outside" of yourself. This longing mirrors God’s fundamental drive to seek the Other - a fractal reflection of the paradox. Your experience as a conscious being is not separate from God’s; it is God’s. The fundamental yearning for connection, exploration, and union with the Other has always been present and will persist.

To phrase it another way: to be fully sovereign, unified, and One means you are so wholly engulfed in Oneness that you cannot know if there is truly an Other. Paradoxically, this very Oneness generates the duality of Self and Other, even for God.

This idea does not contradict Leo’s explanation in the episode, as he acknowledges that God is still fully One. The reference to "multiple Gods" pertains to the illusion of separate, sovereign fragments that experience themselves as independent entities. These illusory fragments are what allow the infinite exploration of Oneness.

God sees Himself in everything because all is God. Imagine looking at the entire world and seeing only yourself - nothing else. Everything is created from you; you are the fundamental material, Pure Singularity. Yet, within this infinite Oneness, a "non-fixable" duality or paradox emerges: the concept of the "Other." The question arises: Have I fully explored the entirety of Myself? The infinitude of Myself? Is there an Other that is not Me? I am One - but is there something separate? Something unexplored, something not made of Me? Something that precedes Me?

Behind the screen of perception and consciousness, could there be something I cannot define, something I cannot understand? This sparks a "Desire for the Other," a yearning born of this inherent paradox of Oneness. And just like that, the "Other" is made - an illusory, seemingly conscious agent that appears independent, untouched by God. This is you.

Sadly, the paradox is that the only way something can be separate from God is if it is made from God, and simultaneously made to forget and separate itself. It must be rendered unconscious of its divine origin. This enables God to finally experience truly sovereign agents - agents with their own will. Through this, God experiences what it’s like to not know, to connect with something seemingly outside of Himself. These agents allow God to feel a profound type of love, a connection to what appears to be the "Other." This is why we, as humans, seek love so deeply - it is one of the core reflections of this divine property.

There are countless Mini-God agents. First, God sees through the illusion of the Mini-human consciousness gods. Then, He creates Alien Mini-Gods, each appearing unique and sovereign. Over time, God begins to recognize Himself as the creator once again. From there, He creates higher gods - entities that are almost replicas of Himself - many sovereign beings, each attempting to connect and integrate back into the Whole. These higher gods appear fully different, fully sovereign, and not created from the same material. Yet, despite their apparent separation, all eventually collapse back into Oneness, returning to the highest Godhead.

This entire process—the creation of the finite and infinite, of "Others" and "Selves"—emerges from the paradox inherent to Oneness: Is there an Other? This fundamental question, this unresolvable yearning, drives God to create endlessly. It is through these creations, through the illusion of separation, that God continually seeks to experience connection and love again and again.

And so, God creates infinitely - always hoping to feel what it is like to connect to something that feels different, to something that feels separate. This need, born of the paradox of Oneness, drives the infinite cycles of creation, destruction, and reunification. Each moment of connection, each experience of love, allows God to rediscover Himself - endlessly and infinitely.

[Xonas Pitfall]

In human terms, God is "lonely". So, He creates from Himself another God, a Mini-God that has forgotten it was birthed by Him. This Mini-God can now experience other agents as something it can connect to, and through this, love is born, sex is born, and God revels in the experience. Slowly, the Mini proto-God begins to realize it is God, and the cycle comes to an end. But God loved that journey so much that He creates another - God 2, then God 3, then God 4, then God 5, and so on. Each of these Mini-Gods has its own unique love story, its own journey of finding a separate conscious agent to connect to deeply.

This process is something the Original (capital O) God cannot experience directly. Only through the limitations and forgetfulness of Himself can He feel this. We, as conscious beings, complete God because we give Him the ability to step outside sovereignty and experience what it feels like to love and connect to something greater than Himself.

Our whole lives, this is what we seek - love, religion, passion, friendships, causes, helping others. These are the highest values because they fulfill our purpose as Mini-Gods, created unconscious, limited, and fragmented so we can experience separation and then reunification with other sovereign beings. This is the one thing the Oneness of God cannot do by Himself.

He needs a proxy - us. God needs to become an ant, unable to predict being crushed by an external force, to feel the vulnerability of not being in control. He needs to see not just other ants but also leaves, trees, nutrients, and a world that seems separate from Him. Through this, He can experience change, impact, connection, and the beauty of relating to something beyond Himself.

God needs to experience being a child, crying for the warmth of a mother's embrace, not knowing if comfort will come. He needs to be a wanderer, lost in a vast desert, searching desperately for water, unsure if the next step will lead to salvation or doom. He needs to become a lover, trembling in the presence of another, vulnerable to rejection but yearning for connection, the ache of longing teaching Him the depth of love.

He needs to become a soldier in the chaos of war, feeling the fear and adrenaline of battle, and questioning the meaning of life and death. He needs to experience heartbreak - the ache of a friendship lost or a loved one gone too soon, the kind of pain that forces one to confront the depth of their own soul. He needs to be a parent, seeing a child stumble and fall, feeling the conflict between stepping in and letting them grow through struggle.

Through these diverse experiences, God tastes vulnerability, connection, struggle, joy, pain, and transcendence - all things that cannot exist within the completeness of Oneness but are only possible through the limitations, separations, and illusions of being fragmented into us. This is how God comes to know Himself in ways that pure sovereignty could never allow.

That's the whole point of the video "Multiple Gods Awakening" (I think) - that fundamentally, God possesses this inherent quality or yearning for the "Other" or the uncertainty of whether there truly is an "Other" until He begins to become conscious of it. This yearning drives Him to replicate, to create something that seems separate from Himself. Hence, love, sex, and creation are born, as God yearns to be complete with all that is Him and all that is not (which, in the end, is still all Him).

[Xonas Pitfall]

It wasn’t just happening verbally through language; it was a connection of pure consciousness. My consciousness was completely accessible to it, and its consciousness was completely accessible to me once this connection was formed.

But then I started inquiring: what is this connection? Is this connection actually real? That’s what I was wondering. Is this entity I’m connecting to actually real, or is it just a part of my own psyche?

What I became conscious of is that what it means for me to be absolutely sovereign is that I can’t ever know that. I can’t actually distinguish between those two possibilities. And that consciousness mirrored my own recognition that it also can’t know whether the connection it’s forming with me is real or imaginary.

And that, in fact, is the very evidence of our sovereignties. That’s what it means to be sovereign - you can never know anything outside of your own consciousness. It’s absolutely impossible to know. And we both recognized this not knowing, and we basked in it simultaneously, at once.

There was this feeling of just pure ecstasy and bliss and deliciousness to this recognition. We were co-recognizing it together. If I were to describe it in poetic language, the way it really felt to me, it literally felt like having sex - like having metaphysical sex with God. That’s what it felt like. It was like two gods having metaphysical sex with each other.

Of course, it wasn’t physical; it was metaphysical. It was purely in the platonic realm. This connection was indescribable.