No life - on the deepest level

[ICURBlessings]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Well the external world I see as a projection of my brain 

"Well the external world I see as a projection of my brain "

This statement is faulty because the premise upon which it is raised and upon which it stands is ONLY an assumption NOT a FACT. An assumption that should at the very least be questioned.

In other words - under this statement there is an assumption that the external world is REAL and not entirely and ONLY a creation of the Mind.

Also under this statement there is an assumption that the Mind is the product of the brain and central nervous-system.

Those are two central assumptions among others.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, ICURBlessings said:

"Well the external world I see as a projection of my brain "

This statement is faulty because the premise upon which it is raised and upon which it stands is ONLY an assumption NOT a FACT. An assumption that should at the very least be questioned.

In other words - under this statement there is an assumption that the external world is REAL and not entirely and ONLY a creation of the Mind.

Also under this statement there is an assumption that the Mind is the product of the brain and central nervous-system.

Those are two central assumptions among others.

I don’t know what’s true or not in those cases. I can only say what it seems to me.

Edited August 20 by Sugarcoat

[CARDOZZO]

@Sugarcoat

Can you describe your internal world/how do you imagine things?

Is it colorful? black/white? fuzzy? 2D? 3D?

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

@Sugarcoat

Can you describe your internal world/how do you imagine things?

Is it colorful? black/white? fuzzy? 2D? 3D?

It’s very “weak” kind of like you’d have an imagine, and then you turn down the opaqueness , the brightness, the colors, everything so the image becomes almost transparent and “weak” if that makes sense. From what I remember it hasn’t always been like this. It’s what I mean by feeling disconnected from my thought processes . The same goes for audio thoughts 

[CARDOZZO]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Nothing. And my thought, my imagination ability is very vague

Change it. 

Bring your thoughs near yourself in front of your face, make it BIG, BOLD, COLORFUL, 3D, FULL OF CRAZY SOUNDS, COLORS, SMELLS.

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, CARDOZZO said:

Change it. 

Bring your thoughs near yourself in front of your face, make it BIG, BOLD, COLORFUL, 3D, FULL OF CRAZY SOUNDS, COLORS, SMELLS.

I can try my best at it

[CARDOZZO]

11 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s very “weak” kind of like you’d have an imagine, and then you turn down the opaqueness , the brightness, the colors, everything so the image becomes almost transparent and “weak” if that makes sense. From what I remember it hasn’t always been like this. It’s what I mean by feeling disconnected from my thought processes . The same goes for audio thoughts 

You can change it. 

Create a possibility that you can change that.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, CARDOZZO said:

You can change it. 

Create a possibility that you can change that.

I’ll try 👍🏻thx🙏🏻

Edited August 20 by Sugarcoat

[ICURBlessings]

56 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know what’s true or not in those cases. I can only say what it seems to me.

OK - WHAT is true is: That which is the idea that the World that we believe to be EXTERNAL - that we perceive as outside and beyond a boundary determined by the physical body - can only be assumed as a FACT - not entirely unlike when humans 'assumed' the Sun was rotating around a CENTER which is the Earth. We believed it was a fact and a certainty until Copernicus and Galileo showed us otherwise -  WHAT is true is: the idea of an EXTERNAL World - and especially the idea that this EXTERNAL World stands as REALITY - is at BEST an UNCERTAINTY. To understand that this very experience of that which we call REALITY is at best  an UNCERTAINTY is a starting point from which to move DEEPER towards Truth.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, ICURBlessings said:

OK - WHAT is true is: That which is the idea that the World that we believe to be EXTERNAL - that we perceive as outside and beyond a boundary determined by the physical body - can only be assumed as a FACT - not entirely unlike when humans 'assumed' the Sun was rotating around a CENTER which is the Earth. We believed it was a fact and a certainty until Copernicus and Galileo showed us otherwise -  WHAT is true is: the idea of an EXTERNAL World - and especially the idea that this EXTERNAL World stands as REALITY - is at BEST an UNCERTAINTY. To understand that this very experience of that which we call REALITY is at best  an UNCERTAINTY is a starting point from which to move DEEPER towards Truth.

Ok I don’t really understand what u mean but it’s fine 

[ICURBlessings]

33 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Ok I don’t really understand what u mean but it’s fine 

I am going to wind back.

Look at your experience of how "separated" is your internal world from the external world. Look how you feel introverted. Look at when you fall asleep the external world fades, like a curtain is raised between your consciousness and the external world.

Somehow you chose to have this experience of being a human, and living in a world governed by all its laws of physics, biology, sociology, etc... A world were you experience yourself as a body... A world of Time, with a past, a history and a prehistory, ...

Why do you think you find yourself in this world? Why are you here? What is your purpose here OR what is the purpose of this world in your soul-journey?

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, ICURBlessings said:

I am going to wind back.

Look at your experience of how "separated" is your internal world from the external world. Look how you feel introverted. Look at when you fall asleep the external world fades, like a curtain is raised between your consciousness and the external world.

Somehow you chose to have this experience of being a human, and living in a world governed by all its laws of physics, biology, sociology, etc... A world were you experience yourself as a body... A world of Time, with a past, a history and a prehistory, ...

Why do you think you find yourself in this world? Why are you here? What is your purpose here OR what is the purpose of this world in your soul-journey?

I don’t know why my “soul” chose this. If that was the case

[ICURBlessings]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t know why my “soul” chose this. If that was the case

"I don’t know why my “soul” chose this. If that was the case" ... and you don't care to know? OR you do care to know but believe it is impossible to know?

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, ICURBlessings said:

"I don’t know why my “soul” chose this. If that was the case" ... and you don't care to know? OR you do care to know but believe it is impossible to know?

I’ve thought about it but not put so mush importance to it

[ICURBlessings]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ve thought about it but not put so mush importance to it

It is possible to experience this world and be completely UNCONSCIOUS of one's sense of purpose - BUT believe it or not - it is impossible to experience this world without a serving of purpose.

On one hand many choose to be unaware of their sense of purpose - but this does not mean they don't have one.

If one's sense of purpose is to raise a family and have children - that is a purpose mostly determined by the drive for the continuation of the human specie.

Many as the see the problems in this world, the injustices, the unnecessary wars, etc... and they can't help themselves to DO something to REMEDY the situation.

Many see purpose as seeking pleasures, comforts, others as raising walls of protection around what they value...

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, ICURBlessings said:

It is possible to experience this world and be completely UNCONSCIOUS of one's sense of purpose - BUT believe it or not - it is impossible to experience this world without a serving of purpose.

On one hand many choose to be unaware of their sense of purpose - but this does not mean they don't have one.

If one's sense of purpose is to raise a family and have children - that is a purpose mostly determined by the drive for the continuation of the human specie.

Many as the see the problems in this world, the injustices, the unnecessary wars, etc... and they can't help themselves to DO something to REMEDY the situation.

Many see purpose as seeking pleasures, comforts, others as raising walls of protection around what they value...

I see what you’re saying 👍🏻

[ICURBlessings]

2 minutes ago, ICURBlessings said:

It is possible to experience this world and be completely UNCONSCIOUS of one's sense of purpose - BUT believe it or not - it is impossible to experience this world without a serving of purpose.

On one hand many choose to be unaware of their sense of purpose - but this does not mean they don't have one.

If one's sense of purpose is to raise a family and have children - that is a purpose mostly determined by the drive for the continuation of the human specie.

Many as the see the problems in this world, the injustices, the unnecessary wars, etc... and they can't help themselves to DO something to REMEDY the situation.

Many see purpose as seeking pleasures, comforts, others as raising walls of protection around what they value...

...and of course the ultimate purpose of Self-Realization...

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, ICURBlessings said:

...and of course the ultimate purpose of Self-Realization...

I’ve heard something along those lines before

[Nemra]

@Sugarcoat 

Focus on the fact that you have the will to act.

I think that you gaslighted yourself with spirituality. I'm saying this based on the way you explained your situation.

Maybe, like you say, the problem is in your brain or maybe something else, I see that you want to change your situation. Stay focused on that.

Edited August 20 by Nemra

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Sugarcoat 

Focus on the fact that you have the will to act.

I think that you gaslighted yourself with spirituality. I'm saying this based on the way you explained your situation.

Maybe, like you say, the problem is in your brain or maybe something else, I see that you want to change your situation. Stay focused on that.

i haven’t been that into spirituality for a long time so it’s not that. But I still see your point. I’m trying to see light in my situation