One Body Two Souls?

[Salvijus]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What is the difference between a "soul" and a second personality?

I think a soul has a seperate energy body with a unique bank of knowledge, abilities and memories. All that knowledge, abilities and bank of memory creates a seeming personality thereafter. Whereas a personality alone is nothing basicly. It's like a shadow basicly. 

I suspect the soul can have many personalities/shadows but personality cannot have a sentience by itself. 

 

Edited August 14 by Salvijus

[Keryo Koffa]

@Salvijus And yet personalities do have wills, experiences, desires, goals and evolve seemingly by themselves.

And still it is the conscious spirit that inhabits and plays them.

It's sort of like playing a video game, you can definitely tell that the characters have their own distinct personality.

And yet without you observing and inhabiting them and the person who made the video game, they wouldn't exist.

How curious!

Edited August 14 by Keryo Koffa

[Leo Gura]

@Salvijus Have you ever seen a soul or a personality other than your mind?

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[Keryo Koffa]

@Leo Gura Have you ever observed anything outside a morphing personality structure?

Are you aware of the living psychology that will feed you your next thought and creates your experience?

Are you aware of the exact details of how infinity manifests you and your genetics within itself?

If no, then stop using the Mind strawman. Yeah yeah, everything is one, that's old news, we're here for metaphysics

Edited August 14 by Keryo Koffa

[Salvijus]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Salvijus Have you ever seen a soul or a personality other than your mind?

I have tons of experiences with disembodied beings actually. I don't know if that counts to you. 

And I suspect you will go full solipsism at some point. A card that wins every argument

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[Keryo Koffa]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

And I suspect you will go full solipsism at some point. A card that wins every argument

"Don't you ralizeee... it's all in your mind, everything is One Mind, stop fooling around, there's only you" TADA! 

Edited August 14 by Keryo Koffa

[Dazgwny]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

 

What is the difference between a "soul" and a second personality?

 

Well actually yes it would be more apt to not differentiate the two at all if someone is wanting to use the word or idea of soul. But I see most who use the idea of a soul are actually those who are hell bent, whether they realise it or not, on keeping some form of individuation, of who and what they perceive themselves to be, after what we call death. It’s the ego wanting to keep on going in some way. It’ll use the idea of a soul to try keep itself alive, ongoing. So for me there’s two ways a soul can be used that is closer to the truth. That a soul is basically a personality, that won’t survive death it’ll crumble upon it. Not ongoing. Or you can use the word soul basically as God, infinite consciousness, therefore one soul, with multiple personalities, as in each different person, animal, being, whatever. And this particular person happens to have constructed two personalities. 
Either way, this general idea people have of a soul, just isn’t the case. It just isn’t, I’ve had too many awakening that totally destroy the idea of a soul in the general way people think of a soul. Fantasy. That’s just my take

[Salvijus]

4 minutes ago, Dazgwny said:

Either way, this general idea people have of a soul, just isn’t the case. It just isn’t, I’ve had too many awakening that totally destroy the idea of a soul in the general way people think of a soul. Fantasy.

Very strong arguments indeed. 

[Keryo Koffa]

6 minutes ago, Dazgwny said:

Either way, this general idea people have of a soul, just isn’t the case. It just isn’t, I’ve had too many awakening that totally destroy the idea of a soul in the general way people think of a soul. Fantasy.

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Very strong arguments indeed. 

"general way people think of a soul" deconstructing vague strawmans I see, very nice indeed!

Edited August 14 by Keryo Koffa

[Salvijus]

Reminds me of scientists when they say chi is just "metabolism". There can't possibly be any such thing as "mystical chi"

[Keryo Koffa]

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Reminds me of scientists when they say chi is just "metabolism". There can't possibly be any such thing as "mystical chi"

45 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

You confuse the means for the end

It's like you miss biology for its mechanics
It's like you miss psychology for its disorders
It's like you miss geometry for its formulas
It's like you miss spirituality for its crystals
It's like you miss science for its jargon
It's like you miss the motive for your projection
It's like you miss reality for its materialization
And of course, you miss enlightenment for its pointers

Also reminds me of the "Water's not Wet!" video

But yes, basically Science won't accept the metaphysical until it assimilates it into its material paradigm jargon!

And then FINALLY, we'll have the soul, except it will be called "Electromagnetic Supra-Psychological Energy Radient" which will be short for ESPER or something lol

Edited August 14 by Keryo Koffa

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

I think a soul has a seperate energy body with a unique bank of knowledge, abilities and memories. All that knowledge, abilities and bank of memory creates a seeming personality thereafter. Whereas a personality alone is nothing basicly. It's like a shadow basicly. 

I suspect the soul can have many personalities/shadows but personality cannot have a sentience by itself. 

 

Since Your familiar with Sadhguru's work, from what he says (they say he's a Charkrawara or Master of the Energy system), what you describe above is not the Soul, but the 5 Shealths or Koshas and the karmic substance which binds them altogether, which in my understand surround the Soul or Life that is within all of Us, there are no "Individual Souls", only Life is within Us, this Life has no personality or uniqueness, it is present in all living things, but we as Humans can be the most conscious/aware of it and be intouch with it on our human level compared to other life forms....

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[Salvijus]

31 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Since Your familiar with Sadhguru's work, from what he says (they say he's a Charkrawara or Master of the Energy system), what you describe above is not the Soul, but the 5 Shealths or Koshas and the karmic substance which binds them altogether, which in my understand surround the Soul or Life that is within all of Us, there are no "Individual Souls", only Life is within Us, this Life has no personality or uniqueness, it is present in all living things, but we as Humans can be the most conscious/aware of it and be intouch with it on our human level compared to other life forms....

There's a video of sadhguru talking about 7 layers of a human on sadhguru exclusive app. When he talks about 5th layer Atman, he talks about the soul, he's just using hindu terminology. Then goes paramatman. And then goes nirvana. Beyond the soul even. The same thing that buddha was talking about. But he doesn't deny the existence of the soul. 

Edited August 14 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

"Among the Native Americans, there are many masters who are well accomplished in matters of the occult. They're very sensitive people, who had a different sense of life together. In a way, the occult dimensions of yoga were very alive in these traditions. Maybe they do not really have a science like we have. It's a much segregated science; it is just one aspect of the whole science. Changing bodies and things like this are quite common in their culture. There are many instances where people have exchanged their bodies and lived on, and again changed back whenever they needed to. This is mostly done with the use of certain herbs which are kept as great secrets; some of them can be highly intoxicating. Much research has been done on this."

~Sadhguru from the book of" Mystic's Musings"

 

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[Scholar]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Salvijus Have you ever seen a soul or a personality other than your mind?

This cannot be possible by the very nature of what a soul or mind is. That doesn't exclude the existene of other minds, it just excludes the possibility of becoming conscious of other minds.

 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What is the difference between a "soul" and a second personality?

The claim here is that they are both separate experiences and they can individually experience different aspects of the body-mind. For example, they said that from the perspective of the guy, he basically blinked out of existence for 5 years and then reentered the body having no recolletion of what had happened to him.

The biggest claim I guess would be the fact that they are saying they are basically in the same body, dividing it up to share the space in it with complete lack of awareness of what the other "personality" is doing or feeling. They say they can each inhabit one of their arms and then touch each other and it is just like touching a stranger.

[Keryo Koffa]

@Scholar Consciousness has the property of forgetting and remembering. Problem solved.

[Leo Gura]

@Scholar How do you know that other souls are more than just your belief?

What is the point of believing in stuff you can never be conscious of?

I have been conscious of many weird things. I have never been conscious of a soul, not mine, not anyone else's.

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[Keryo Koffa]

@Leo Gura So you're saying you skipped to the alien stage before merging your consciousness with another human?

[Scholar]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Scholar How do you know that other souls are more than just your belief?

What is the point of believing in stuff you can never be conscious of?

I have been conscious of many weird things. I have never been conscious of a soul, not mine, not anyone else's.

The point of having faith in the appearances of the divine is love.

You can project a deep love towards the connection you share with others, if you recognize in them a selfhood. It allows for a deeper intimacy between different parts of God. In other words, it allows for connection where, metaphysically, connection should not be possible (with the wisdom of the divine).

There are things that have impacted me before I have been conscious of them. In the end I trust in the divine order and believe we have developed fundamentally truthful intuitions about the nature of existence, such that, despite a fundamental disconnectedness, we can still perceive each other and hold each other within our minds. That to me is part of the genius of creation.

I think while you cannot become conscious of other minds in this way, due to the nature of selfhood, you can become conscious of divine intention. I believe faith to be a fundamental component to existence as it relates to self-hood.

I think attempting to translate it into propositional logic will undermine the entire point of the existence of these dynamics. These are delicate things that will dissipate if you use the clumsy hands of your rational mind to grasp for them. In that way, faith is what sustains these things, as it is keeps your greasy fingers off of the delicate forms that you have been gifted so you could connect intimately with all the parts of yourself that exist outside of this selfhood.

 

 

You cannot be conscious of anything that isn't part of your consciousness.

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[Keryo Koffa]

4 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The point of having faith in the appearances of the divine is love.

You cannot be conscious of anything that isn't part of your consciousness.

Faith is pretty much what Leo's doing, just through 5-MeO-DMT, he has faith he'll become an alien and so he does.

True, but you can tune your awareness across various holarchies and mind-body-soul complexes.

All are ultimately one and yet autonomous in their own right to various degrees of development (Holons).

Edited August 14 by Keryo Koffa