Serious question about suicide

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Quader said:

When you win the lottery is there any reason to give it back?

Suffering.

When you suffer enough, your lottery win doesn't matter. What good is a lottery ticket to Hell?

Edited August 14 by Leo Gura

[puporing]

5 hours ago, Bandman said:

christianity and islam can't be true

I mean it's interesting your mind even mentioned this if you really think there's no truth to it..

I could help you but.. if your mind has already decided I am deluded or untrue or unreal then I can't help you. So it's a chicken and egg situation where if you reject me you won't ever find what I found..

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The line is very much individual and perhaps depends on how much control one has over their suffering.

 

It depends entirely on the situation you're stuck in.

If you were locked in a cage and tortured each day, you would welcome death. And chronic health problems can feel like that. You can't just will your way out of or around it.

Edited August 14 by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

My biggest reason for not killing myself are the loved ones I’d hurt otherwise it woulda been done a long time ago. I think life can be worth it though but my life personally has felt like overcoming weaknesses and shortcomings and been mostly unpleasant but hopefully once I self-actualize enough of my limitations it’ll be worth it. 
 

On the topic of health issues though we are about to have the greatest revolution in healthcare in human history in the next few decades so you got that to look forward to @Bandman.
 

Also soon a great leap in porn and AI girlfriend tech so I mean it’s looking good for you bro 

[Keryo Koffa]

Just now, LordFall said:

Also soon a great leap in porn and AI girlfriend tech so I mean it’s looking good for you bro 

 

[Something Funny]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Your biggest problem is that you have no idea if it will work as you imagine it will.

You really wanna kill yourself on a belief?

What if you kill yourself and turn into a piece of poo?

That's a good point. Probably the most honest and no bullshit response I've got so far.

Although some of the coolest things were done on belief.

And I am really curious about what's on the other side.

[Something Funny]

@Keryo Koffa thanks for sharing.

12 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Ego-Blindspots to the beautiful sides of the Experience

• To get yourself into this complex form needed immense holarchies of evolutionary pressures
• Your life yields tons of opportunities that the state of mind obscures from itself
• There is much appreciation that is unrealized and overlooked that psychedelics can tune you into
• While alive, there are countless paradigms to be transcended and learned from
• You are the anchor of your own experience, just need to learn to arrange it

Yeah, I guess there are still things to do. And life could be an enjoyable experience if you do it right.

But often times life sucks and it feels like too much to bother.

12 hours ago, Keryo Koffa said:

• There is much to learn until death, we don't know what comes after and if dying through crude means is detrimental
• It's also really sad to kill oneself that way, I think that sadness alone is of immense pressure

I can't say that I feel afraid of what comes after life, mostly just curious.

I think you could die in a chill way. Without feeling sad or negative.

 

[Something Funny]

@Bandman <3

how are you doing?

[Something Funny]

@ICURBlessings that's very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

I wonder how "real" those experiences are.

Them being similar could simply be a result of everyone being human and sharing the same brain structure.

 

[Something Funny]

@Lila9 it's nice to be at the point where you are and be able to enjoy your life experiences. But not all people are there. 

And I guess in this case my question would be: is it worth bothering and putting it all the effort to get there?

[TheEnigma]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Bandman I'm sorry you're facing such health problems and dispair. I understand suffering from health problems.

The point of my statement above was merely to point out the truth of not-knowning. It's important in this work not to fool ourselves with beliefs and fantasies about things we lack experience with.

In this case all you have to do is to be honest with yourself: do you actually know what death is? The answer is probably no. So then the best attitude is one of not-knowing and openness.

But there is still the possibility for Awakening and higher consciousness where you might come to a direct insight into the nature of death.

So my advice would be that if you want a better understanding of death, pursue Awakening. And if you are suicidal, seek out help and support from others.

Don't leave the forum. Isolating yourself is not good for your condition.

A very power comment. Thank you Leo 

[Something Funny]

45 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I bring awareness to these low-vibrational emotions and seek to heal the unhealed parts of myself

Amount of work required to do this is different for different people.

For me, it feels like I would have to overhaul my whole life and being.

45 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Is it worth it? Hell yeah, there is a huge difference between living life mainly in low-vibrational states and living in high-vibrational states. This is a totally different life.

I meant if it's worth it in comparison to avoiding all the struggle required to get there and just dying and seeing what comes next.

Edited August 14 by Something Funny

[Dodo]

18 hours ago, Something Funny said:

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT PLAN TO KILL MYSELF IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE

I know this is a controversial, but there is no other place where I could possibly discuss it, so I hope it's okay.

***

My question is: what's so wrong about suicide metaphysically? I understand advising people against it because it's a politically correct thing to do, and you don't want to get in trouble, but in reality, is there any reason why you shouldn't kill yourself?

If you die, you will become one with the universe / god. You will either become hyper aware of everything and omnipotent, or you will fade away into nothingness and will not feel anything ever again. Both options sound fine to me.

There is also a chance that you might get re-incarnated, suggesting that there is a layer with ghosts and souls in between our realm and God consciousness. That also doesn't sound that bad. You could basically use suicide as a reset button, until you reincarnate with the cards you want to play with.

If a person doesn't really feel like living or if they suffer a lot, why should they bother and stick around.

Additionally, what if I am impatient and don't want to do all this spiritual work? I could just kill myself and get all the answers right away.

I hope this perspective doesn't sound too childish, I am really curious about those questions.

In my own post about suicide a long long time ago, one of my first posts on actualized from 2016, @Leo Gura touched on the idea of the difference between big and small ego death drive.

It may be beneficial to mention. 

Here is the thread 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/2727-my-ego-wants-to-die/

[Something Funny]

10 minutes ago, Dodo said:

In my own post about suicide a long long time ago, one of my first posts on actualized from 2016, @Leo Gura touched on the idea of the difference between big and small ego death drive.

It may be beneficial to mention. 

Here is the thread 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/2727-my-ego-wants-to-die/

Thanks.

My ego doesn't hate itself.

[ici]

11 hours ago, Bandman said:

But how do I find out for my self if that's true though? If it is, then I would completely agree with you, knowing peace and hope are eternal would give me the courage to live out this life and even any kind of hell, even if it'd be a googleplex years, just knowing in the end the suffering would cease.

How do you even know peace and hope are eternal?

Look into the big picture of the cosmos. Nothing’s really happening. It’s mostly empty space going on forever and ever. It’s so peaceful it’s unsettling.

Here on Earth at least something’s happening.. sometimes more than we’d like to see and experience, but it’s still something compared to the rest of the world.

If you feel like you’ve “won” a ticket to hell, as Leo says, and you feel stuck, then the least and most you could try to do is get yourself out of it. Why? Because what else is there to do.

I’m no masochist and I don’t like pain in both its physical and emotional form, however, if we didn’t feel pain, we’d all be dead. Plus we would probably lose the notion of pleasure if there were no pain.

Survival bro. We’re just here to survive while doing things we desire and need (to survive, in an infinite loop.) Quite a boring picture of life if you look at it that way and it could evoke feelings of indifference.

Just know that you’re not alone. Touch grass and talk to people. It helps distract you from such thoughts. Loneliness is one of the greatest problems we face nowadays. Socialisation is the cure and medicine you need. 

[ICURBlessings]

I think for most people suicide is just NOT an option they are willing to consider. And why is that? Well that is more obvious than not.

As Leo pointed out, some are so overwhelmed with some form of suffering, that continuing to exist as a human is an option they want out.

 

In my life I have been aware of a couple of suicide cases - where everyone was dumbfounded by it. One was a white male that had a loving wife, children, a successful career, a prominent position in his community, he was appreciated and liked by most people, and many, many looked-up to him for having such a successful life. No one including his wife and children and best friend had a clue he was considering killing himself...

Suffering is not always what it seems.

 

[puporing]

@Something Funny

My response would be.. since you haven't awakened enough from my view it's better to do that than "suicide". You could find out more or less what you are going to end up being "on the other side" with some mushrooms for example..

The other thing is about love, anytime someone commits suicide it has a ripple effect on the people around them. There will for sure be people saddened by the loss and your presence/way of leaving this world.

Though yeah technically I think most people basically "suicides" when they leave here when their body is at its "end use" or some other karmic determination.. but it's different to me when a young ish person tries to do that especially if they're still healthy. That would be a circumstantial thing more or less that could be improved.

Edited August 14 by puporing

[Breakingthewall]

The only possibility of suicide that I consider legitimate is the case of a terminal illness that places a burden on you and other people. There you have to be brave and speed up the process. In any other case, I see it absolutely wrong. You have to fight while you can.

[Something Funny]

20 minutes ago, puporing said:

You could find out more or less what you are going to end up being "on the other side" with some mushrooms for example..

But even Leo said that you can't know what will happen.

20 minutes ago, puporing said:

The other thing is about love, anytime someone commits suicide it has a ripple effect on the people around them. There will for sure be people saddened by the loss and your presence/way of leaving this world.

I hate it when people try to guilt trip you with this argument. 

I am not responsible for other people's happiness.

Asking a person to keep suffering for the sake of not hurting somebody else's feelings is selfish.

[Something Funny]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

In any other case, I see it absolutely wrong. You have to fight while you can.

Why?