Serious question about suicide

[puporing]

4 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

But even Leo said that you can't know what will happen.

I don't agree with that... I have 99% certainty of where I'm going and going to be.. because I'm basically already being it with some limitations (like not the full magnitude because of body but the state will be very similar).

Actually.. I don't really think I can leave this body until I choose to at this point. I have a feeling I would be able to live a very long time here if I chose to for my "teaching/divine purposes".

Though you know.. I don't wanna start making claims if I haven't proved it yet.. it's just what it seems to me at this point.

@Something Funny

10 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Ihate it when people try to guilt trip you with this argument. 

I'm sorry that it came off as a guilt trip..that wasn't the point. I'm sure people would understand you were suffering. I am just pointing out this inevitable effect on people.

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

I don't agree with that... I have 99% certainty of where I'm going and going to be.. because I'm basically already being it with some limitations (like not the full magnitude because of body but the state will be very similar).

Actually.. I don't really think I can leave this body until I choose to at this point. I have a feeling I would be able to live a very long time here if I chose to for my "teaching/divine purposes".

Though you know.. I don't wanna start making claims if I haven't proved it yet.. it's just what it seems to me at this point.

I see

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

I'm sorry that it came off as a guilt trip..that wasn't the point. I'm sure people would understand you were suffering. I am just pointing out this inevitable effect on people.

Okay

[Breakingthewall]

12 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Why?

It is a personal vision, but what I have learned in this life is that if you avoid a challenge, it pursues you relentlessly and multiplies in difficulty. Escaping is never the solution, this life is about fighting back

[ICURBlessings]

1 hour ago, puporing said:

@Something Funny

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The other thing is about love, anytime someone commits suicide it has a ripple effect on the people around them. There will for sure be people saddened by the loss and your presence/way of leaving this world.

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ABSOLUTLY it is not because we experience ourselves as separate INDIVIDUALS that it means that we are  separate INDIVIDUALS.

The LEVEL where we experience ourselves as separate INDIVIDUALS is closer to the foundation of MAYA - the Great Illusion.

The LEVEL where we experience ourselves as ONE BEING - ONENESS without any separation is closer to REALITY and Truth.

SUICIDE inevitably affects others - as we are doing this journey TOGETHER - we 'create' this experience TOGETHER.

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

But even Leo said that you can't know what will happen.

I hate it when people try to guilt trip you with this argument. 

I am not responsible for other people's happiness.

Asking a person to keep suffering for the sake of not hurting somebody else's feelings is selfish.

You kind of are though. If you believe that your actions have no effect on others then that paradoxically leads you straight into victim thinking and depression. If you choose to accept that you have responsibility in life then it does lead to guilt for bad actions but also for hope that you can influence others positively and thus also yourself and your life. 

This is coming from also a depressed person but powerlessness is the most depressing thing I could ever imagine. Creating a worthwhile life unfortunately takes a while but you do have the power to do it. And you know that because you could use the opposite power of destruction to achieve much quicker results, not even in the case of suicide but think about neighbourhood vandalism and how quickly that would have a negative effect on people's realities. 

[Something Funny]

@LordFall I didn't say that my actions have no effect on others. I said that I am not responsible for making everyone around me feel happy.

I've done this my whole life. I've been a people pleaser my whole life. Worrying about every little thing and sacrificing my own interests in order to not upset anyone.

Trust me, it didn't lead to anything good.

[LordFall]

Fair enough, I hope you feel better and you're able to create the reality you're looking for.

@Dodo I'm curious how your money situation is now 8 years later. I'm struggling with money atm too, it sucks and limits like 95% of your options  

[Dodo]

3 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Fair enough, I hope you feel better and you're able to create the reality you're looking for.

@Dodo I'm curious how your money situation is now 8 years later. I'm struggling with money atm too, it sucks and limits like 95% of your options  

not really, there are infinite different ways in which you can explore the options available to you, there are more than we are aware of at any moment. You dont need a house with 30 rooms, when you can only stay in 1 at a time  

Edited August 14 by Dodo

[Something Funny]

7 minutes ago, Dodo said:

not really, there are infinite different ways in which you can explore the options available to you, there are more than we are aware of at any moment. You dont need a house with 30 rooms, when you can only stay in 1 at a time  

You could use a house with a few rooms though

[Dodo]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

You could use a house with a few rooms though

a toilet is desirable.  

[emil1234]

the boat can always be turned around. always. though you may get other lives, THIS specific life will probably never come back. the things you want in this life, you'll never get to experience it excactly the way you do in this life. your favorite songs, your favorite meals, your favorite movies. your family, your friends. all that is completely unique to your life. even if you were to experience the life of one of your family members, their perspective on the same things would be completely different.

this makes the individual life immensly precious. 

and remember; death is certain. life is impermanent. its only temporary. this means theres a limitation to how wrong life can go. so what the hell, why not try to make it through it, even through it might suck and you might suffer? maybe you would end up turning your life around, and you'd get to experience the precious value of your unique individual life. in the end, you will be released from the cage of the body anyways.

Edited August 14 by emil1234

[Davino]

Most people don't commit suicide because the known is more comfy than the unkown. If that balance is perturbed the jump is done to the other side

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Oh, there is just one side

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Maybe being a human wasn't that bad after all. I kinda miss it

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Most people don't commit suicide because the known is more comfy than the unkown. If that balance is perturbed the jump is done to the other side

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Oh, there is just one side

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Maybe being a human wasn't that bad after all. I kinda miss it

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[emil1234]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

Most people don't commit suicide because the known is more comfy than the unkown. If that balance is perturbed the jump is done to the other side

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Oh, there is just one side

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Maybe being a human wasn't that bad after all. I kinda miss it

💥

Most people don't commit suicide because the known is more comfy than the unkown. If that balance is perturbed the jump is done to the other side

💥

Oh, there is just one side

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Maybe being a human wasn't that bad after all. I kinda miss it

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this is trippy

[LordFall]

@Davino I've felt something like that before while on shrooms; like I really enjoyed my problems and was happy I was going through them and the perfect world of the awakened state was boring.

[Davino]

@LordFall If you haven't wished with all your life to be back a human normie you haven't truly begun your psychonaut journey.

Congrats fellow Arstonaut!

[Asia P]

I always think about a suicide without material suicide. Like, when i meditate i imagine to fall into another state of consciousness and end this life without the dream of harming my body. I think that you don't need to actually commit suicide...

[Joshe]

Life demands our engagement and it demands more from some than others. You're lucky not to be one who it demands little from. The greater the trial, the greater the victory. 

You persist because it’s how you become fit for greater advancement. You weather the storms up this fucked up hill we call life and you will be made strong by it. That strength is your reward, and you will be glad you earned it. 

Challenge God to drop it all on you. Do his worst. There's nothing God can do to break you. BEG for it. Stand in defiance and refuse to be torn down. You will break. You will cry. But you will persist and in the end, you will arrive at peace and you will see the hill was intentional. Gather the will to make it up the hill. 

The hill is much easier to climb if you remove unhappiness and add happiness. These are two different things.

Start by eliminating as much unhappiness and stress as you can, which include addressing the basics: improve your sleep, fine-tune your diet, and get regular exercise. Also, identify and reduce sources of stress, which can be tricky, for example, I loved playing speed chess, but it was making my heart race and spiking my adrenaline 20+ times per day, which I enjoyed, but it wasn't serving me, even though I thought it was. 

Add happiness by figuring out what you actually enjoy that is healthy, and make sure you give yourself some of that. 

Meanwhile, build your vision. 

You've been given an opportunity to make something of this thing and to see what you can turn it into. No pressure, no diamonds. 

Self-direction audio clip: https://recorder.google.com/ebd0c7bc-ff59-428e-a6d8-c0ec3c214990

The evolutionary law audio clip - https://recorder.google.com/e24eb57b-b9ce-4b04-bf98-32481df98027

Edited August 16 by Joshe

[LisaCamper]

On 8/13/2024 at 0:11 PM, Something Funny said:

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT PLAN TO KILL MYSELF IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE

I know this is a controversial, but there is no other place where I could possibly discuss it, so I hope it's okay.

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My question is: what's so wrong about suicide metaphysically? I understand advising people against it because it's a politically correct thing to do, and you don't want to get in trouble, but in reality, is there any reason why you shouldn't kill yourself?

If you die, you will become one with the universe / god. You will either become hyper aware of everything and omnipotent, or you will fade away into nothingness and will not feel anything ever again. Both options sound fine to me.

There is also a chance that you might get re-incarnated, suggesting that there is a layer with ghosts and souls in between our realm and God consciousness. That also doesn't sound that bad. You could basically use suicide as a reset button, until you reincarnate with the cards you want to play with.

If a person doesn't really feel like living or if they suffer a lot, why should they bother and stick around.

Additionally, what if I am impatient and don't want to do all this spiritual work? I could just kill myself and get all the answers right away.

I hope this perspective doesn't sound too childish, I am really curious about those questions.

In 2008, I believed I was trapped in an abusive relationship.  Believed the only way out was suicide.  My third attempt was successful, clinically died.  NDE brought me back, my life became mine.  Reincarnation is a man made concept to help cope with death in my perspective.  However, it is also true that all that can be imagined is permitted so your perspective can coincide and contradict while both are true and false...lol. You created your answers when created your questions. 

It's your ego that wants the answers right away, so if you kill your body...you kill your ego.  And never get answers. lol

Are you suffering?  Are you able to see suffering while suffering without judging it?  I know it can be hard to let go of suicidal ideations when they take hold, that energy is ancient. Be mindful and breathe, know you are safe, your are loved, all is well if your mind tells you otherwise. 

From suffering comes immense peace is your not afraid to curiously look in real-time experience.  Take care, friend!  XOXO

Edited August 16 by LisaCamper

[Salvijus]

The problem with suicidal thinking is that such thoughts can only come if you're not in your right-mindedness and not in touch with reality anymore. 

If you're living in alignment with the truth, in alignment with your heart, mental health becomes natural and suicidal thoughts become impossible. 

Edited August 16 by Salvijus