what is a woman ?

[Talinn]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Something Funny

Being LGBTQ+ brings you closer to truth. 

It makes you understand both genders more clearly, and when properly resolved can tell you a few things about the aspects of identity. But enlightenment, Truth with a big T, it doesn't really do anything.

I still remember what having testosterone felt like, even though I didn't appreciate it, I automatically have more understanding and empathy of men because of it.

[Forestluv]

4 minutes ago, questionreality said:

Do you find it difficult in communicating with people when they perceive your ideas to be rigid, when they are clearly not? I do find that sometimes to be an issue for me.

Yes. . . That is one of the most common communication blocks I encounter. . . Also, much of my mindspace / communication is exploratory, which isn't well-received by most people because it lacks a purpose, goal and practicality. 

I'm often "in the woods", which is one reason my nickname is "Forest". For social interaction, what I've done is find people that are open within certain realms. For example, I have a friend who is a master Shaman and I love exploring a certain realm with her - yet its still within that realm. I also have a friend who is a master psychologist and I love to explore within that realm with her. It's sort of like having medical specialists. I can see an eye doctor and explore eye-related things. I can also see a kidney specialist for kidney type things. etc.

[Salvijus]

You are all wrong. 

It's not about the body or the psychology. It's about the your etheric self that determines your gender. 

This video of two souls in one body (one male and one female) is the perfect example of what is gender. 

 

[Talinn]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You are all wrong. 

It's not about the body or the psychology. It's about the your etheric self that determines your gender. 

This video of two souls in one body (one male and one female) is the perfect example of what is gender. 

 

Stop with this nonsense. 99.9% of people are not like these two people. It's not useful and it makes people view us strangely and negatively.

You have to claim you're male or female in 99.99% of scenarios. And you can't confuse people with this in every day situations.

Edited August 13 by Talinn

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Talinn said:

Stop with this nonsense. 99.9% of people are not like these two people. It's not useful and it makes people view us strangely and negatively.

You have to claim you're male or female in 99.99% of scenarios. And you can't confuse people with this in every day situations.

You missed the point of my post. 

[Salvijus]

Human is made of many layers. Psychology and physical body are the last layers of a human. Prior to that there are energetic layers. It is the energy body that determines how the body will be shaped, if it's going to be a penis or vigina costume. And the psychology/dominat personality traits will get shaped by the energy body aswell. 

This is where you have to look to determine if something is a female or a male. Male and female are existencial phenomena. Not a human invention. According to Ayurveda, every leaf on the tree is either a male or a female. It's in the energetics of a particular object that you can know what it is. 

[questionreality]

19 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

Yes. . . That is one of the most common communication blocks I encounter. . . Also, much of my mindspace / communication is exploratory, which isn't well-received by most people because it lacks a purpose, goal and practicality. 

I'm often "in the woods", which is one reason my nickname is "Forest". For social interaction, what I've done is find people that are open within certain realms. For example, I have a friend who is a master Shaman and I love exploring a certain realm with her - yet its still within that realm. I also have a friend who is a master psychologist and I love to explore within that realm with her. It's sort of like having medical specialists. I can see an eye doctor and explore eye-related things. I can also see a kidney specialist for kidney type things. etc.

I can relate a bit to what you are saying, as sometimes I am also exploring when it comes to discussing various topic/subjects (if my ego doesn't jump in for whatever reason), but people often perceive the idea to be rigid, and think that I hold a certain position, when I am just exploring.

What I found to be the key, is the communication style, and feeling where the person is at - as certain things can be a trigger to an ego and change the discussion from exploratory to defending positions.

Based on how you conduct yourself on a forum, I would say that your communication style certainly embodies what you say you are - very neutral, balanced, probably more than from anyone that I have seen.

Thank you for sharing your perspective, I find you as a person very fascinating actually. 

[Talinn]

52 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You missed the point of my post. 

"Annika: Yeah, we realized early on that if we fought or disagreed… there was no way to walk away! We’d just have to lay in bed mad at the other person. And the body would feel awful like it was being torn apart. After one bad fight early on where it felt like our blood and bones were freezing and frying at the same time we agreed to never fight like that again!! "

That's from one of their Youtube comment replies.

Sounds like a Dissociative Identity Disorder trauma response... Look, I didn't watch the whole video and I don't know what their experiences are, but anything that looks vaguely like trans stuff will be weaponized and used against trans people in some way. I can appreciate abstract supernatural discussions of gender, but only after the trans panic ends. Which is why I was defensive. I can investigate some of these abstract spiritual concepts any of the day of the week, but not when there's the 2024 election coming up.

Edited August 13 by Talinn

[Forestluv]

19 hours ago, questionreality said:

I can relate a bit to what you are saying. . . 

This is one of my favorite spaces: somewhat relating, yet not fully. It gets me curious.

One of the topics I teach involves Schizophrenia. In addition to the underlying genetics, I also bring up relating. At the start, everyone in the class sees Schizophrenia as something totally different than themselves. So when I propose "Let's see if we can relate 'a bit'" - I get some odd looks. . . I start off asking them to imagine something they already have direct experience with. . . To imagine a time when they had a dream that seemed very real. Perhaps their body was sweating or crying during the dream. . . Nearly everyone can relate to that. . . Next step. . . Have you ever started to wake up and were still sorta in the dream? Such that you couldn't tell if it was a dream or not? Perhaps for a few seconds or so?. . . Then you 'snap out of it' and are suddenly like "That was just a dream. Omigosh, I'm gonna be late for work.!I gotta get going!". . . Most people can relate to that. . . The next step is the big one. . . Now imagine those few seconds where you didn't know if it was a dream or not lasted the whole day. . . About 20% of the class has a noticeable shift. . . For them. . . now they can directly relate 'a bit' to what it's like to be in a mindspace that has difficulty differentiating what's 'real'. That's a big breakthrough.

19 hours ago, questionreality said:

What I found to be the key, is the communication style, and feeling where the person is at - as certain things can be a trigger to an ego and change the discussion from exploratory to defending positions.

Yep, that's a big key. And I'm not very good at it - especially when egos come into play (theirs as well as mine).

19 hours ago, questionreality said:

Thank you for sharing your perspective, I find you as a person very fascinating actually. 

Thanks to you as well. You helped me unlock a block I had today.

Edited August 14 by Forestluv

[Salvijus]

11 minutes ago, Talinn said:

I can appreciate abstract supernatural discussions of gender, but only after the trans panic ends

That video is the only thing in this world that can end all the confusion around this subject. It has all the answers about what is gender and what is a soul. 

Edited August 13 by Salvijus

[Talinn]

Most right-wingers will watch the video and expect or hope that the people being interviewed in that video will hang themselves in a week or a year due to gender confusion and/or brainwashing. And either grieve it, in a majority of cases, or be happy about it, in a loose minority of cases.

Not everyone is as accepting as you, that's how it is.

Pretty much everyone is uncomfortable with trans people on some level, most people just work past it enough to be respectful, polite and courteous. There's a few who genuinely don't care at all, then there's people who want you dead. Those are the facts.

Edited August 13 by Talinn

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Talinn said:

Most right-wingers will watch the video and expect or hope that the people being interviewed in that video will hang themselves in a week or a year due to gender confusion and/or brainwashing. And either grieve it, in a majority of cases, or be happy about it, in a loose minority of cases

I would say anyone who was to watch that video would have their eyes opened so much that they would have to rethink everything they think they knew about themselves and about existence. 

For me that's a good thing. 

Btw. I feel like you're very sensitive around this topic. Is this matter personal to you? 

[Joshe]

30 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

One of the topics I teach involves Schizophrenia. In addition to the underlying genetics, I also bring up relating. At the start, everyone in the class sees Schizophrenia as something totally different than themselves. So when I propose "Let's see if we can relate 'a bit'" - I get some odd looks. . . I start off asking them to imagine something they already have direct experience with. . . To imagine a time when they had a dream that seemed very real. Perhaps their body was sweating or crying during the dream. . . Nearly everyone can relate to that. . . Next step. . . Have you every started to wake up and were still sorta in the dream? Such that you couldn't tell if it was a dream or not? Perhaps for a few seconds or so?. . . Then you 'snap out of it' and are suddenly like "That was just a dream. Omigosh, I'm gonna be late for work.!I gotta get going!". . . Most people can relate to that. . . The next step is the big one. . . Now imagine those few seconds where you didn't know if it was a dream or not lasted the whole day. . . About 20% of the class has a noticeable shift. . . For them. . . now they can directly relate 'a bit' to what it's like to be in a mindspace that has difficulty differentiating what's 'real'. That's a big breakthrough.

Is there a name for this technique or do you have anymore information on it? I recognized the power of this the other day and was trying to figure it out. It's like you have to provide a stepping stone and you can't move forward until you know they are solidly on it. Then, lay out the next one, all the way up until the insight is revealed. I did this with my nephew when showing him how to add 10 to 26 to make 36, without relying on memory. When the insight was revealed to him, he lit up with a smile on his face when he saw that he could KNOW on his own, without relying on memory. All I had to do was know which stepping stones to lay out he engage them. 

It's interesting that only 20% had a shift. I wonder if the others were not sufficiently engaged?  Were they trying in earnest?

 

Edited August 13 by Joshe

[Talinn]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I would say anyone who was to watch that video would have their eyes opened so much that they would have to rethink everything they think they knew about themselves and about existence. 

For me that's a good thing. 

Btw. I feel like you're very sensitive around this topic. Is this matter personal to you? 

Yeah when I was saving up money for my SRS surgery , my brother physically assaulted me and took my credit card (since he was poor at the time), claiming I didn't need the money for such a damaging procedure and that he's doing me a favor. I want equal rights and respect for this community and I want Trump to lose.

[Salvijus]

8 minutes ago, Talinn said:

Yeah when I was saving up money for my SRS surgery , my brother physically assaulted me and took my credit card (since he was poor at the time), claiming I didn't need the money for such a damaging procedure and that he's doing me a favor. I want equal rights and respect for this community and I want Trump to lose.

Interesting. 

[Forestluv]

18 hours ago, Joshe said:

Is there a name for this technique or do you have anymore information on it? 

In terms of energetics / experience, not that I know of. I came this through my psychedelic experiences. In the beggining, a psychedelic mindstate and a sober mindstate seemed like two different worlds, yet then they started overlapping. Here, I would enter half-way points. For example, where my mind and body went through various stages of anxiety into a full-on panic attack. So, I got to directly experience that. . . Afterwards, I was shaken for a day or so, yet then settled back into being grounded and 'normal'. . . In a sober state, I haven't had a panic attack - yet I now occasionally I go halfway there - close enough that I can sense it, yet far enough I don't spiral down. This has opened up new ways of relating to people. I can now relate with people that have anxiety conditions and panic attacks. As well, I can "pull" some people that don't have anxiety issues because they have had experiences that was "halfway there".

During some of my trips I entered a mindsapce in which the mind can't differentiate between what is real and what is imagined. It would be considered a psychotic state from a psychiatric perspective. I now occasionally have experiences that are halfway there, close enough that I can sense / imagine full immersion - yet far enough that I can still stay grounded. While in a halfway state, I realized that most people have had similar experiences - they just haven't examined them. 

18 hours ago, Joshe said:

I recognized the power of this the other day and was trying to figure it out. It's like you have to provide a stepping stone and you can't move forward until you know they are solidly on it. Then, lay out the next one, all the way up until the insight is revealed. I did this with my nephew when showing him how to add 10 to 26 to make 36, without relying on memory. When the insight was revealed to him, he lit up with a smile on his face when he saw that he could KNOW on his own, without relying on memory.

Yea, very similar. I was referring more about experiential relating / understanding. Your example is more of a cognitive / concept understanding - yet it's a similar idea: a stepping stone to get solid footing and then going another step forward. . . Also, you bring up the idea of "knowing" - which is a key. There is a form of 'knowing' that involves things like factual knowledge. As well, there is a form of knowing that is more of insight, realization, "getting it". A sense of "Omigosh, I 'know' what that's like".

 

Edited August 14 by Forestluv

[questionreality]

1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

This is one of my favorite spaces: somewhat relating, yet not fully. It gets me curious.

One of the topics I teach involves Schizophrenia. In addition to the underlying genetics, I also bring up relating. At the start, everyone in the class sees Schizophrenia as something totally different than themselves. So when I propose "Let's see if we can relate 'a bit'" - I get some odd looks. . . I start off asking them to imagine something they already have direct experience with. . . To imagine a time when they had a dream that seemed very real. Perhaps their body was sweating or crying during the dream. . . Nearly everyone can relate to that. . . Next step. . . Have you every started to wake up and were still sorta in the dream? Such that you couldn't tell if it was a dream or not? Perhaps for a few seconds or so?. . . Then you 'snap out of it' and are suddenly like "That was just a dream. Omigosh, I'm gonna be late for work.!I gotta get going!". . . Most people can relate to that. . . The next step is the big one. . . Now imagine those few seconds where you didn't know if it was a dream or not lasted the whole day. . . About 20% of the class has a noticeable shift. . . For them. . . now they can directly relate 'a bit' to what it's like to be in a mindspace that has difficulty differentiating what's 'real'. That's a big breakthrough.

Wow, now I can even understand a little bit what a person experiencing schizophrenia can feel like! Very great explanation as well, very clear and on the point.

1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

Thanks to you as well. You helped me unlock a block I had today.

Amazing, glad that our conversation somehow could help you : )

[Philipp]

@Leo Gura I think parents are told that their child is at higher suicide risk and that transitioning is best for them. And if you are scared, confused, you always do what the autority tells you. 

Edited August 13 by Philipp

[Davino]

What is a woman?

How would it feel to be a woman and get blissfully penetrated by a man?

How would it feel to be pregnant and slowly create another life in my belly?

How would it feel to give birth, destroy my pussy and give sustenance via my titty milk?

I think these are important questions to contemplate for the masculine psyche. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Philipp said:

@Leo Gura I think parents are told that their child is at higher suicide risk and that transitioning is best for them. And if you are scared, confused, you always do what the autority tells you. 

I agree that can be a problem. It's important not to turn gender issues into a dogma but genuinely seek out what is right for the individual child. It can't be a simplistic formula.