Wilber On Solipsism

[BlessedLion]

When he says" I am just a figment of your mind, that you orchestrated."

Is he actually in agreement with the same Solopsism that Leo speaks about?

Edited August 11 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

Of course.

But it goes even deeper. You can become conscious of how you are imagining others.

[BlessedLion]

39 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course.

But it goes even deeper. You can become conscious of how you are imagining others.

So... this implies that you are not actually having a conscious experience over there? There is no awareness behind the eyes of Leo that sees out of the eyes?

[Leo Gura]

Sigh.... I don't know why I bother talking about this.

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura you caused it. You pretended that you didnt have consciousness. Now you will live with the consequences forever. 

Edited August 11 by Malekakisioannis

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Malekakisioannis said:

@Leo Gura you caused it. You pretended that you didnt have consciousness. Now you will live with the consequences forever. 

Actually it's you pretending that he pretended he does not have consciousness

 

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sigh.... I don't know why I bother talking about this.

@Leo GuraMany here are still confused about solipsism, because in your solipsism video many could read out that you said there is no consciousness experience behind anyone you see.

You said:

"There is no one ...

No one but you"

I think many people just heard the first

 

Edited August 11 by OBEler

[Malekakisioannis]

@Inliytened1 actually its you pretending that its me pretending that he pretended he does not have consciousness. double smiley face.

[Leo Gura]

Here's how solpsism really works:

If you are not intelligent enough to figure out what solipsism means all on your own, you shouldn't be taught about solpsism because you are not intelligent enough to realize it, integrate it, nor appreciate.

Edited August 11 by Leo Gura

[Keryo Koffa]

My morphing understanding :

There's formless Source Consciousness, it creates an environment to experience.
It imagines itself as a life form within it and it lowers its awareness to the life form.
The environment is externalized. The lifeform is the experience and limited canvas.
The consciousness that creates both is completely autonomous and independent.
Others are SC constructs also, their level of reality is hard to ascertain from within.

Self-Critique:

Source doesn't have intent so it doesn't create as much as it is in a state of becoming.
Lowering awareness appears accurate, but it also expands through this experience.
It experiences environment and selves simultaneously always from a higher POV.
The Autonomy paradigm breaks down when there's no desire to use as a means.
Their experience, consistent as it is, and the ego's self-projection give some hints.

Meta-Critique:

The source may be Intent disembodied but merged and contained, all inclusively.
Expanding and contracting are an infinite creative process, the duality redundant.
Multiple interactive and interconnected POVs in fact, are more like a POV gradient.
"All Dualities must eventually collapse" -Leo. Paradigms are stifling. Consciousness is.
If "conscious entities" desire, any level/form of reality is infinitely complexifiably explorable.

Leo-Inspired-Critique:

"Stop fooling around."

Edited August 11 by Keryo Koffa

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Here's how solpsism really works:

If you are not intelligent enough to figure out what solispsism means all on your own, you shouldn't be taught about solpsism because you are not intelligent enough to realize it, integrate it, nor appreciate.

You said take 100 breakthroughs with 5 Meo DMT to be sure to figure out what your version of Solipsism means.So just using your intelligence alone is not enough.

So it's not so easy what you really mean. Are you the center? But if reality is center less..

 

Edited August 11 by Leo Gura

[BlueOak]

18 minutes ago, OBEler said:

You said take 100 breakthroughs with 5 Meo DMT to be sure to figure out what your version of Solipsism means.So just using your intelligence alone is not enough.

So it's not so easy what you really mean. Are you the center? But if reality is center less..

 

Completely the opposite opinion. You can have 100 breakthroughs stacking shelves, walking your dog, and day to day life. You can also sit meditate and have a wild one.

It's all you; you set it up and live it. 

I've never done DMT but then it's produced in my brain, so I never needed to, just shifting the focus from thought is enough.

Listening to people like Leo can also be enough in itself, because Leo is also you. Getting in front of the right speakers, if only the retreats didn't cost so damned much. Grumble Grumble. I'd be doing that too. But the dog, the shelves, the day-to-day life. The guy telling me to relax at work more, me realizing he's too relaxed (and all the related connections those two states come with), the mother I'm caring for and realizing aspects of myself (and aspects of surrender, moving on), the father who is getting old and the parts of myself of forgiven on the micro/macro in forgiving him.

Then words of wisdom from Leo, teal, sevan etc are enough. 

Some people can be unintelligent, simple and humble, and in perfect harmony with their life. 

[Keryo Koffa]

38 minutes ago, OBEler said:

They say: "Have 100 5-Meo-DMT breakthroughs to figure out what Solipsism is

And then you realize the vanity in astonishment, as suddenly you discover:

[Carl-Richard]

7 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

So... this implies that you are not actually having a conscious experience over there? There is no awareness behind the eyes of Leo that sees out of the eyes?

Then there is no awareness behind your eyes either. 

Edited August 11 by Carl-Richard

[Salvijus]

A union between two is the condition for love to exist. 

Therein solipsism is debunked. 

Edited August 11 by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Love has no value unless it is shared.  

A union between two is the condition for love to exist. 

Therein solipsism is debunked. 

Lol

[Salvijus]

A union between two is  love. 

Therein is the proof that solipsism is only half the truth. 

Edited August 11 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

Without two love would not exist, even if those two are actually one. 

Therein is the proof that solipsism is only half the truth. 

Edited August 11 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

If blue was the only color, nobody would know what blue is. Knowledge of blue exists only in contrast to what is not blue. 

In order for God to know himself, God needs a create other, and through other he can experience himself to ever greater degrees. 

The bigger the number of souls God creates through which he can experience himself, the greater the joy. 

Therein is the proof that solipsism is only half the truth.  

Edited August 11 by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

Your body is made to house conciousness.

Every other body is made the same way like yours.

Therein is the proof that solipsism is only half the truth.