Illusions are real!

[Spiritual Warfare]

If reality and/or life is an illusion, then the illusion is real, right?

Isn't that how logic works?  If there's no such thing as an illusion then obviously you can't define anything as an illusion.

Here, try it again: in order for reality to be an illusion there must be such a thing as "illusion".

If there is such a thing as "illusion" then illusion is true.

What you're mad and frustrated about is your misunderstanding of it or your difficulty in understanding it.

Try another: an illusion can only target/can only be about something.  There has to be something, some kind of truth in order for there to be an illusion of it.

And of course ultimately: there has to be some kind of "you" in order for anything else to interact and put forth, such as a lie or illusion.

If you don't exist, in whatever way or form, then you don't get the reality and option of declaring that things are an illusion.  You don't exist, therefore there is no "you" to address and there is no "you" that can make claims and experiences.

Do you call that which you do not understand, an illusion?  Do you call it a lie?

Why is it a lie?  Have you defined that what happens in this reality is not what's "really" happening?

You have lost track of a fundamental logic and truth.

If you are doing it then it is happening.  If you are dreaming that you are doing it then you are dreaming of something happening.  Either way there are truths that can be identified and understood.

If you cannot distinguish between a living reality and a dream reality, perhaps there is no difference.

How long will you spend trying to prove to yourself that you are dreaming?  I can respect if you respond- as long as it takes.  That's totally fair in the sense that we should always be keen to accurately experiencing and interacting.

Don't I help your operating system?

Catch yourself if you find yourself getting angry at clarity.  There will be discomfort.  You will shed skin.  And as you are probably aware of- some of us will bleed.

[Scholar]

Yes, using the term "Illusion" or "Imagination" only makes sense as it is contextualized in contemporary or common understandings of reality.

In essence, illusion just means that there is no inherent substance to reality that is stable or universal, as it is thought of by most minds. Or there is nothing beyond the appearance of reality (but that really translates to the same).

So, the apparent rigidity of reality is an illusion.

[Spiritual Warfare]

28 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Yes, using the term "Illusion" or "Imagination" only makes sense as it is contextualized in contemporary or common understandings of reality.

In essence, illusion just means that there is no inherent substance to reality that is stable or universal, as it is thought of by most minds. Or there is nothing beyond the appearance of reality (but that really translates to the same).

So, the apparent rigidity of reality is an illusion.

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[Breakingthewall]

Illusion means that the form is irrelevant, the substance is always the same and you are that. Then, you can be lost in the form, in the impermanence, or open to the absolute and settled in it, which is your true nature, then the form is indifferent, it is only form, and it is seen as an illusion in the sense that one form is the same as another, all are the absolute. But in another hand they are totally real precisely because they are the absolute.

Edited August 10, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Spiritual Warfare]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Illusion means that the form is irrelevant, the substance is always the same and you are that. Then, you can be lost in the form, in the impermanence, or open to the absolute and settled in it, which is your true nature, then the form is indifferent, it is only form, and it is seen as an illusion in the sense that one form is the same as another, all are the absolute. But in another hand they are totally real precisely because they are the absolute.

Fantastic answer🥳

[gettoefl]

44 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Illusion means that the form is irrelevant, the substance is always the same and you are that. Then, you can be lost in the form, in the impermanence, or open to the absolute and settled in it, which is your true nature, then the form is indifferent, it is only form, and it is seen as an illusion in the sense that one form is the same as another, all are the absolute. But in another hand they are totally real precisely because they are the absolute.

yes ... every form is the infinite finitising itself into time and space and rubbing shoulders with other forms of itself each pretending they are different so they can create some you are not going to believe this - adventures to talk about at heaven's water cooler

once one understands this, it loses a little lustre and it is time to pick up the toys and go home

to do this, you stop finding any fault with the world knowing it's a silly game that you have been playing for way too long

doing this it collapses

 

Edited August 10, 2024 by gettoefl